This is not a new formula it's held true for nearly every ship bar the Ktfdescgg fighter, so it's a product of inductive reasoning to say the arc with two cannons would have the same damage as the tie which it does.

And the HWK, Lambda, Decimator, Outrider, Falcon, VCX, Firespray, Fang Fighter, Upsilon, Mist Hunter...

Guns = k(firepower) was debunked waves upon waves ago and it never even had a basis to begin with. Attack dice are an abstraction of firepower, not formulaic based on counting the barrels on a model. Not all weapons are the same, and even similar weapons vary in performance.

This is not a new formula it's held true for nearly every ship bar the Ktfdescgg fighter

Not just the K-fighter, you forgot about the VCX-100, Attack Shuttle, G-1A and Protectorate Starfighter.

We have three classes of guns in star wars blasters, medium cannons and heavy cannons I've never seen any craft described as having small cannons.

Just like we have mashineguns and cannons for aircraft, yet there is a "slight" differenve between a 15mm and a 50mm cannon.

Okay so other than size what's the difference between a tie ln's medium laser and an arcs?

Rate of fire and the ship's ability to bring to the weapon to bare on the target. Maybe the refit is just better avionics or targeting.

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This is not a new formula it's held true for nearly every ship bar the Ktfdescgg fighter

Not just the K-fighter, you forgot about the VCX-100, Attack Shuttle, G-1A and Protectorate Starfighter.

We have three classes of guns in star wars blasters, medium cannons and heavy cannons I've never seen any craft described as having small cannons.

Just like we have mashineguns and cannons for aircraft, yet there is a "slight" differenve between a 15mm and a 50mm cannon.

Okay so other than size what's the difference between a tie ln's medium laser and an arcs?

Other than the "category" assigned by wiki with a kid's book as the only source, what's the similarity between them?

If you don't like real life analogies, have a Star Wars one:

Wookiepedia says K-wing is armed with "a quad turbolaser turret".

This is a quad turbolaser turret:

The only difference seems to be the size.

This is not a new formula it's held true for nearly every ship bar the Ktfdescgg fighter

Not just the K-fighter, you forgot about the VCX-100, Attack Shuttle, G-1A and Protectorate Starfighter.

We have three classes of guns in star wars blasters, medium cannons and heavy cannons I've never seen any craft described as having small cannons.

Just like we have mashineguns and cannons for aircraft, yet there is a "slight" differenve between a 15mm and a 50mm cannon.

Okay so other than size what's the difference between a tie ln's medium laser and an arcs?

Size is the difference: the ARC has bigger, more powerful cannons. Just look at the things.

Light, medium and heavy laser cannons are arbitrarily assigned by different authors, you've got to use common sense rather than treating disparate parts of an inconsistent canon and EU as gospel. Don't be BKL.

The similarity is pretty obvious both ships carry the same armament i.e. a pair of medium cannons, make and model may differ but they have the same class of weapons.

As for trying to compare capital ship weaponry to fighter weapons it's ridiculous and a clear attempt at obfuscation.

Size doesn't matter, only the name, you said it yourself.

The same class of weapons, just like 15mm and 50mm aircraft cannons are the same class of weapons.

But we're going in circles (aka I'm presenting valid arguments and you keep repeating the same ridiculous sentence) no point "discussing" it any further I'm afraid.

You just got through admitting there's zero difference.

And again the false equivalency really? Clearly the difference in aircraft cannon size is important bigger guns fire bigger projectiles and therefore have varying ammo capacity etc.

I asked what the difference was and you couldn't provide any evidence that the arcs guns are more powerful, so there's no reason the clone wars version should be a higher atk than 2.

Only one of us using logic and reason.

The similarity is pretty obvious both ships carry the same armament i.e. a pair of medium cannons, make and model may differ but they have the same class of weapons.

As for trying to compare capital ship weaponry to fighter weapons it's ridiculous and a clear attempt at obfuscation.

And what's the definition of a medium cannon?

And again the false equivalency really?

That's precisely his point. He's trying to show you're drawing a false equivalency.

We have no basis from which to say the ARC-170 and the TIE fighter have the same firepower. Without a sourced definition "Medium Laser Cannon" doesn't actually tell us anything about how powerful they are.

And what's the definition of a medium cannon?

That was my question, why do people think the arc should have a higher attack than the tie ln when they both carry the same type and number of guns.

What is a medium laser cannon?

What is a medium laser cannon?

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That was my question, why do people think the arc should have a higher attack than the tie ln when they both carry the same type and number of guns.

The reason for this is the assumption that medium laser cannon is not a standardized definition and bigger guns usually bring more pain. Arcs have something which looks like huge guns. Huge guns > medium sized guns. ;-)

Though I think those huge guns are no guns at all. They might be the torpedo slots or something entirely different. Well, or they are indeed guns the the statline is just wrong. Maybe they have another pair of whatever.

If it helps (probably won't), I have a Star Wars book in front of me that describes the arc as having "unusually large and powerful" laser cannons.

For what it's worth, more "powerful" guns in star wars tend to have recoil (turbolasers, main guns on walkers). The arc's guns have recoil as well, which I don't believe any other starfighter has been shown doing in any of the movies/tv shows.

So that would seem to imply they are pretty powerful.