Hi fellow pilots,

I think FFG is going to make clone wars era expansions for SW games.Why do I think so? Because they've been including more and more CW things in existing games.

First of all SW destiny has a number of prequel characters.

Then you've got the ARC-170 expansion for X-Wing, a clone wars ship. Now, you could say that the Z-95 Headhunter is also a CW ship, and after its release there didn't come out CW era expansions, too. But there is a diference. There is a difference: as stated in the Wookipedia, the Z-95 existed since 1979, which makes it primarily a original triology ship, there it appeared most, while the ARC-170 was created for SW3 and only later used in original triology comics, which makes it a prequel ship.And that's what you think when you look at it.When I first saw the wave 9 expansion picture I thought FFG was finally making real prequel expansions for X-Wing.

They also included Ventress as pilot in the large scum ship expansion from wave 9.

I personally think FFG, after distancing themselves from the prequels is finally thinking about making prequel expansions.It has defenitley not to do with the fact that they don't want to include other eras to X-Wung, because they have already included the sequel era.

They're merely testing how much people like CW era things. Personally I would love to see CW era and SWTOR era being included to any FFG SW game.

Do you now any examples to strengthen/challenge my theory?

YariSamurai

To me it only makes sense. Why would you leave out or skip over that era and some of the really cool ships?

the ARC was technically in REBELs (as wreckage, ie an accurate representation of what happens when you fly ARCs without Biggs)

they're flown by expanded universe pilots (of which at least Norra was in the OT)

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

we'll probably be getting Clone War ships, but in the style of the ARC-170 (i.e, flown by not prequel pilots)

hell, the naboo starfighter already as 3 named pilots in canon (leia, shara; queen whatsherface of the **** eating grin)

I hope so. There's more people in my age group 20-25 who love the prequels and grew up with them than some of you old folks think.

I hope so. There's more people in my age group 20-25 who love the prequels and grew up with them than some of you old folks think.

I grew up with them and I hate them.

I hope so. There's more people in my age group 20-25 who love the prequels and grew up with them than some of you old folks think.

I grew up with them and I hate them.

No Contest, you hate everything that anyone says they like

I grew up with the prequels and I think they are a pretty, well decorated set based on poor writing, poor characters and a weak at best plot. So while I am totally fine seeing the designed ships from the prequels in this game, I will never say those movies where good because they really weren't.

the ARC was technically in REBELs (as wreckage, ie an accurate representation of what happens when you fly ARCs without Biggs)

they're flown by expanded universe pilots (of which at least Norra was in the OT)

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

((YariSamurai (I'm typing this on a phone so my comment is here in the middle for some reason:) But what I mean is that it is primarily a CW ship, unlike the Z-95 and that people think about CW when they see it. It is kind of the "embodyment" of CW in X-Wing, and if people like this one,if it sells well why shouldn't FFG make an X-Wing series with Republic and CIS faction ships?))

we'll probably be getting Clone War ships, but in the style of the ARC-170 (i.e, flown by not prequel pilots)

hell, the naboo starfighter already as 3 named pilots in canon (leia, shara; queen whatsherface of the **** eating grin)

Besides, this is a theory about future FFG expansions and was not meant to be (no offense) another place for people to criticise the prequels again.

YariSamurai

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

God, I hope not. Bringing back Maul for TCW was egregious, but he was barely on Episode 1. Ventress had this great arc across six seasons that game to a really appropriate conclusion in Dark Disciple, which is officially canon. Bringing her back undercuts that pretty savagely, and given that there's a lot of creative team overlap between TCW, Dark Disciple and Rebels, I'd hope they'd not do that to themselves.

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

God, I hope not. Bringing back Maul for TCW was egregious, but he was barely on Episode 1. Ventress had this great arc across six seasons that game to a really appropriate conclusion in Dark Disciple, which is officially canon. Bringing her back undercuts that pretty savagely, and given that there's a lot of creative team overlap between TCW, Dark Disciple and Rebels, I'd hope they'd not do that to themselves.

The reason she is in X-wing, at least in my mind, is due to the fact the Lancer was created for Clone Wars, specifically for Ventress to use during the arcs during Dark Disciple, So Dave Filoni and the rest of the Rebels team just reused an asset from the Clone Wars which never made it to the screen in Rebels as the Shadow Caster.

Image of the Lancer asset for Clone Wars

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/e/e7/Banshee_design_asset.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20160408210826

I hope so. There's more people in my age group 20-25 who love the prequels and grew up with them than some of you old folks think.

Lay off the old jokes. I'll report you to AARP. ;-)

the ARC was technically in REBELs (as wreckage, ie an accurate representation of what happens when you fly ARCs without Biggs)

they're flown by expanded universe pilots (of which at least Norra was in the OT)

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

we'll probably be getting Clone War ships, but in the style of the ARC-170 (i.e, flown by not prequel pilots)

hell, the naboo starfighter already as 3 named pilots in canon (leia, shara; queen whatsherface of the **** eating grin)

The NEW Stories will be how we get these old ships.

I hope so. There's more people in my age group 20-25 who love the prequels and grew up with them than some of you old folks think.

I grew up with them and I love the design work and the artistry and thought that went into it, but can't stand the stories they told. The ships, the aliens, the droids, the fighters, the worlds are all Star Wars AF, but the sitting-and-talking, standing-and-talking, annoying alien sidekick are terrible.

(I even like the Gungans as a concept, just not Jar Jar who is terrible)

But I appreciate just how toxic an IP the Prequels are, and I wouldn't remotely blame the Mouse for shutting down anything remotely related to them. So I doubt we'll ever see anything explicitly pre-Rogue-One until the Han/Boba films come out, even though I'd love to see a Naboo Starfighter or a Jedi Starfighter or an ETA-7 or etc in x-wing.

I think the problem is more to do with the practicality of introducing the Separatists as a faction. X-wing is based on the Rebellion vs the Empire, event the Force Awakens ships are effectively a continuation of this saga. Scum is a little different and took several waves to really become established and viable as a faction.

For the Clone Wars, it gets a little murkier. The Republic (arguably the good guys in the Clone Wars) actually become the Empire but ditch most of their recognisable ships in the process. The Separatists are wiped out meaning there is no real scope for droid fighters post-ROTS.

Personally I would have no problem with a 4th faction of Droids being introduced. At least they had plenty of ships shown onscreen (unlike many of the Scum ships). But the Prequels are in an awkward place with regards to popularity. They do not have the same level of love as the OT but nor do they have the current appeal as stuff appearing in the new Trilogy or Rebels.

I think that the best we can hope for is that FFG continue to cherry-pick more PT-era ships for us.

If they were going to the arc would have clone pilot generics, instead it had pilots from gcw era.

Ventress might be a huge spoiler for season 3 of REBELs, i.e she's probably not as dead as we think

Time will tell of course, but she did fly a Lancer-class pursuit craft called the Banshee in the novel Dark Disciple , which was based on some Clone Wars episode scripts that never got made, so her presence as a pilot on that ship can be explained without her needing to still be alive.

I don't believe FFG will be bringing out ships/pilots that are meant to represent ships/pilots during the Clone Wars. The ARC-170 is obviously a retrofit of an older ship from that era....meant to be flown in the Civil War. It's not like they are going to bring ships that are meant to represent things from the Clone Wars being fought in the Clone Wars. I just don't see it.

The Ventress thing might be the only exception, but I haven't read the book with her in it to really know what happens (don't spoil it for me).

The Separatists are wiped out meaning there is no real scope for droid fighters post-ROTS.

I don't believe FFG will be bringing out ships/pilots that are meant to represent ships/pilots during the Clone Wars. The ARC-170 is obviously a retrofit of an older ship from that era....meant to be flown in the Civil War. It's not like they are going to bring ships that are meant to represent things from the Clone Wars being fought in the Clone Wars. I just don't see it.

But I appreciate just how toxic an IP the Prequels are, and I wouldn't remotely blame the Mouse for shutting down anything remotely related to them.

But Disney doesn't do that at all. Obi-Wan & Anakin, and Kanan comic series and Dark Disciple novel are set during the prequel era, Lords of the Sith and Tarkin (probably A New Dawn as well, haven't read it) contain massive a ammount of prequel references, so does Rebels (ffs, the Season 3 trailer shows clones and Clone Wars veterans fighting B1 battle driods) and even post-RoTJ media, like Shattered Empire with the banana fighter.

I'm one of the older timers who grew up with the original trilogy. I don't really enjoy the prequels as stories although visually they fit in the Star Wars world just fine. My kids watch Clone Wars, but to me that's almost a SW soap opera and I hate soap operas (I quit watching BSG when I realized it was a soap in space. The ships and combat are great, that doesn't change the fact it's a space soap.)

X-wing the game is the equivalent of a WW2, or even cold war era, plane game. There were bi-planes used in the early years of WW2 because that was all that was available for certain missions. By the time of the galactic civil war, N1's are not front line fighters (I've argued elsewhere that they never really were). If they do make it to the table top, they will end up like Scyks more than likely. The guys who want them will use them at the FLGS. Occasionally, well organized campaign will require them for beleaguered rebels or something similar. B52s were recently used against ISIS even though some of them are Stoneface's age. Like him, the 80 or so left are still cranking out the missions. The ARCs are like that. Rugged spaceframes still holding up and feisty as ever with an 'alliance overhaul' or two. So a ship's relevance in X-wing really depends on how it has performed and held up with-in the story of the ongoing conflict between the erstwhile heroes and the evil empire.

That said, if you want the N1, the ***boat, or even the bat-wing on your table at home or local store, whip up some homebrew stats and go for it. I guess I really don't get the fervor for the official inclusion of some of these ships.

I don't believe FFG will be bringing out ships/pilots that are meant to represent ships/pilots during the Clone Wars. The ARC-170 is obviously a retrofit of an older ship from that era....meant to be flown in the Civil War. It's not like they are going to bring ships that are meant to represent things from the Clone Wars being fought in the Clone Wars. I just don't see it.

But why? We have ships from a whole new conflict in a whole new era, set further apart from RotJ than TPM.

Why won't they? Because they said they wouldn't. Also, there are a lot of people who hate the prequels. If you allowed Clone Wars ships into standard X-wing, I think it would piss off a lot of people.

I also look at the ARC-170 and see it's stats. It's only got 2 red dice? I think that the tech is different enough between the two groups that the ships don't seem to have as much firepower as they do in current X-wing.

Simple reason we won't be seeing prequel stuff (as opposed to repurposed prequel stuff like the ARC) is that,regardless of how they were initially received, the prequels are nowxregarded very poorly

Imo as movies they deserve to be. Not to disparage anyone who likes them as you're entitled to like whatever you want regardless of quality of certain aspects of it, but as a writer their narratives are physical painful to sit through

Hell there are parts I like about them apart from the ships (revenge of the sith Palp is THE BEST thing out of those movies) but overall they're imo atrocious

Only the clone wars series (AFTER it did away with jarjar and the annoying utterly worthless talking bdroids) and aspects in video games, esp battlefront (how I miss it ) really deserve to be spared

The prequel era is a lot of great design and potential which were sadly mispurposed for three (four including the clone wars movie...ugh pink jabba). So ffg is taking said design and potential and removing the Crap

Imo, we all win

I don't believe FFG will be bringing out ships/pilots that are meant to represent ships/pilots during the Clone Wars. The ARC-170 is obviously a retrofit of an older ship from that era....meant to be flown in the Civil War. It's not like they are going to bring ships that are meant to represent things from the Clone Wars being fought in the Clone Wars. I just don't see it.

But why? We have ships from a whole new conflict in a whole new era, set further apart from RotJ than TPM.

Why won't they? Because they said they wouldn't. Also, there are a lot of people who hate the prequels. If you allowed Clone Wars ships into standard X-wing, I think it would piss off a lot of people.

I also look at the ARC-170 and see it's stats. It's only got 2 red dice? I think that the tech is different enough between the two groups that the ships don't seem to have as much firepower as they do in current X-wing.

Well....if you took the ARC and removed the Alliance Overhaul.....that's what you would get. If you tried to play the ARC without that, it would be a terrible card.

The only thing I can think of is that the stats are due to the latest weapons/shield technology. Maybe shields were worse in the old days?

There will be enough Rebels, movie tie/in ships to keep waves full, plus new epic and update sets, like Rebel Vets. I dont think it has to do with hate on prequels as it is merch tie ins with current properries.