What we know from GenCon

By Beren Eoath, in Runewars Miniatures Game

I looked at many videos from GenCon and demos. At this point we know some mechanics but there are 2 very importent news that maybe someone did not wrote here.

1 - the start is this core set Undead vs Humans but already at this point there are new fractions in development and will come in the near future

2- the core set is only 50 points for each army but at tournaments the armies will be 100 points so You will neeed 2 core sets to play in organised play

There is one more interesting thing the 1st wave will have new units. A standard Bearer, Musician, a new hero for each army that will come in a pack with 2 models - ounted and on foot. Also the 1szt wave will ad magic users so a Magician for humans and a Necromancer for the undead. Most likely also all the units from core set will have additional packs with them with different sculps. That's a good news,

cheers

Actually the core set gives just short of 100 points per side, and a "standard" game will be 200.

More than this, though, since two core sets would give you two of your hero, you'll be a bit short - as well, if you want to field larger units (and you probably do) your points will go down some more as the cost per tray to a unit isn't linear - larger units pay less per tray than smaller ones. A rough guess based on what we know of the unit costs for the undead, for example, suggests that a 2-core-set army will be something between 140 (if you combine the carrion lancers, archers, and reanimates into the smallest number of units possible) and 150 points (if you don't) or so, barring unit upgrades.

Edit for the breakdown:

Ardus: 37 points

2-tray Carrion Lancers: 27 points

4-tray Reanimate Archers: unknown, but based on unit costs for Reanimates probably something like 25-30 points

6-tray Reanimates: 35 points

2-tray Reanimates since you have the models: 16 points

Or

Ardus: 37 points

1-tray Carrion Lancers: 15 points x 2

2-tray Archers: about 16 points x 2

4-tray Reanimates: 26 points x 2

Edited by drl317

I hope they release the first wave along with the core set so getting the units you want does not require multiple core sets.

Esp considering the max sixes of the units.

I hope they release the first wave along with the core set so getting the units you want does not require multiple core sets.

I seem to remember them saying they'd have a full wave 1 release ready when the core set ships.

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

I hope they release the first wave along with the core set so getting the units you want does not require multiple core sets.

I seem to remember them saying they'd have a full wave 1 release ready when the core set ships.

They even displayed the additional models: 2 3 heroes for each side (one of them comes with mounted and unmounted), plus a troop with horn/drum and a troop with banner (those probably can be added as upgrades).

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Edited by Ubul

2 heroes (one with a mounted version) and command group for spearmen: champion (dude with twin maces has same armor spearmen have), musician and standart bearer.

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

True, but most of the upgrades will require larger unit sizes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upgrades will require the appropriate command model - no "Metered March" without a musician model, and so on. I agree (and hope) you'd be able to field 200 points with, say, two core boxes and a couple other purchases, sure - I was responding mostly to the OP's suggestion that you would be able to field a full army with just two core boxes.

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

True, but most of the upgrades will require larger unit sizes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upgrades will require the appropriate command model - no "Metered March" without a musician model, and so on. I agree (and hope) you'd be able to field 200 points with, say, two core boxes and a couple other purchases, sure - I was responding mostly to the OP's suggestion that you would be able to field a full army with just two core boxes.

From what I've seen, upgrades just depend on your regiment size. One specific upgrade type at 'x' size, two specific upgrade types at 'y' size, etc

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

True, but most of the upgrades will require larger unit sizes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upgrades will require the appropriate command model - no "Metered March" without a musician model, and so on. I agree (and hope) you'd be able to field 200 points with, say, two core boxes and a couple other purchases, sure - I was responding mostly to the OP's suggestion that you would be able to field a full army with just two core boxes.

Command model requirement makes sense, however it seems that these upgrades come in the core set.

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

True, but most of the upgrades will require larger unit sizes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upgrades will require the appropriate command model - no "Metered March" without a musician model, and so on. I agree (and hope) you'd be able to field 200 points with, say, two core boxes and a couple other purchases, sure - I was responding mostly to the OP's suggestion that you would be able to field a full army with just two core boxes.

Command model requirement makes sense, however it seems that these upgrades come in the core set.

The cards do, yeah. I dunno! I guess we'll see how it plays out - it does seem odd that they'd include cards you couldn't actually use with what you get in the set.

The core has just short of 100 points JUST using the models. After adding upgrade cards, it will probably be over 100 but we don't know by how much. Of course, that doesn't mean that all the upgrades will be good uses of your points on those exact units either. Still, you can probably get to 200 without buying too many extras if you're not too concerned about your army being fully tweaked.

True, but most of the upgrades will require larger unit sizes, and I wouldn't be surprised at all if the upgrades will require the appropriate command model - no "Metered March" without a musician model, and so on. I agree (and hope) you'd be able to field 200 points with, say, two core boxes and a couple other purchases, sure - I was responding mostly to the OP's suggestion that you would be able to field a full army with just two core boxes.

Command model requirement makes sense, however it seems that these upgrades come in the core set.

The cards do, yeah. I dunno! I guess we'll see how it plays out - it does seem odd that they'd include cards you couldn't actually use with what you get in the set.

It is also possible that the models are not required, just optional for visual upgrade, and nerds like me will buy them anyway.

When they hold tournaments you'll be required to have the models and cards.

It's that way for all games.

When they hold tournaments you'll be required to have the models and cards.

It's that way for all games.

The question (which is a fair one, I think) is whether you would absolutely by the RAW require the musician / standard bearer miniatures to use the appropriate upgrade cards. Knowing miniatures wargames, I think there's a good chance this would be the case, but on the other hand since the starter set doesn't include the models but does include the cards, they'd be giving you stuff you can't use with the models you get in the starter set, which is quite different from how FFG does things with X-Wing and Armada.

On the other other hand, if the starter set includes the Front Line Rune Golem card, you couldn't use that either as you'd probably - going by the upgrades on the Reanimates anyway - need 8 bases of spearmen to use the card.

All this assuming, of course, that the cards in question will in fact come with the starter set and not just come packaged with the upgrade miniatures.

tl;dr - There's a lot we don't know, both about the rules and the contents of the starter set! It'll be interesting to see how things shake out.

I'm quite sure you would need a musician and i you have one it's easier for your opponent to see which unit has a musician/champion/banner bearer than if you would just put a card besides thta unit card.

When they hold tournaments you'll be required to have the models and cards.

It's that way for all games.

This is absolutely the case. In Imperial Assault, you got cards and tokens for several characters, but you were required to purchase the model separately for Organized Play. You couldn't use the tokens that you got in the box. So I there is a precedent for FFG including cards and things for you to whet your pallet with when playing a learn-to-play game, but tournaments will require some extra cash to use those pieces.

EDIT: Still, I'm not convinced that Metered March requires a musician for you to add that upgrade your unit.

Edited by Budgernaut

@Ubul, Thanks for the picture I had not seen that one yet. :)

I didn't know that about Imperial Assault! Modifying my prediction back to "you will definitely need the model to field the upgrade card in the RAW" then.

If You like to see more of 1st wave then here it is
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHY8W5UIAAF95i.jpg
That's Waiqar on his mount and on foor plus a necromancer

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHZJ5aVMAAzE13.jpg

more Waiqar

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpHZKArVMAARnFk.jpg

Undead Banner

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CpH4dYVXgAI-cIc.jpg

and here's some more of Undead new units - musician and hero

And I would like to see as the 2nd wave a new core set with 2 new armies (Latari Elves vs Uthuk)

Taking out special units added to the front row instead of standard ones at the back is an important gameplay element in need of quick and easy discernability, and Fantasy Flight wants to sell us those minis; of course you'll need a musician miniature in the unit to use a musician card.

It's pretty shocking to actually see Waiqar, in all the other games set in Terrinoth he's never turned up before.

The Daqan heroes look sort of like Lord Hawthorne and Master Thorn in Daqan getup. Wonder if it is?

It's pretty shocking to actually see Waiqar, in all the other games set in Terrinoth he's never turned up before.

The Daqan heroes look sort of like Lord Hawthorne and Master Thorn in Daqan getup. Wonder if it is?

Lord Hawthorne is definitely one of the heroes. He has two models: a mounted and unmounted model. Anton Torres said it was Lord Hawthorne during one of the videos. The Waiqar hero that has a mounted and unmounted model is Vorakesh.

It's pretty shocking to actually see Waiqar, in all the other games set in Terrinoth he's never turned up before.

The Daqan heroes look sort of like Lord Hawthorne and Master Thorn in Daqan getup. Wonder if it is?

Lord Hawthorne is definitely one of the heroes. He has two models: a mounted and unmounted model. Anton Torres said it was Lord Hawthorne during one of the videos. The Waiqar hero that has a mounted and unmounted model is Vorakesh.

That makes far more sense than it being Waiqar himself like was implied earlier! The mage definitely looks a lot like Thorn though.

Edited by Taear

Bedgernaut is right that's not Waiqar but Vorakesh. Still a cool mini and it's nice to see that heroes will be with 2 options in one box.

I wonder when will we see some previews and the rulebook but knowing FFG it will be by the end of this year and not sooner.

Previews will be sooner. Rule book won't be till just before release next year.