Doing well in a tournament today, last match and I'm playing for the win - I've brought only 2 squadrons, Tycho and a generic YT-2400 just to run interference (because I hate squadrons).

My opponent has only 3 ships and a buttload of squadrons. He has a really cool build too... Yavaris with Flight Commander and Fighter Coordination Team (Makes B-Wings pretty dangerous), a GR-75 with Toryn Far and Bomber Cmd Center, and an MC-80 independance with Fighter Coordination Team and Adar Talon. He has monsters squadrons too, he's got Luke Skywalker, Jan Ors, Wedge, Dutch, and the rest or B-Wings and X-Wings.

I had played him earlier and it was close but I won. Now we get paired up again in the final round and he chooses 1st player (He gave me 1st player last time and regretted it). He selects Fleet Ambush. At first he mis-read it and thought that I was going to have to put MY ships in the ambush zone. I explained it to him in better detail and halfway through deployment he decides to go a little crazy and push as far forward as he can, and deploy his squadrons all on the Yavaris! Here is the image of Turn 1 BEFORE anyone had activated!

Once I realized what he was doing I just stacked up all my ships and figured I'd kill Yavaris right away and have every ship use anti-squadron shots. Took out almost everything he had by turn 3.

I was flying Mon Karren, Salvation, and 3 CR-90A with TRC and Madine was my cdr.

Again - squadrons are awful and you shouldn't be using them. =P

Again - squadrons are awful amounts of fun and you shouldn't be using them stupidly. =P

That's all I heard.

Good Lord that Neb B is about to die..... What a horrible moment for that crew.

I've brought only 2 squadrons

That's way too many for my taste )))

Ouch...

But to me that Fleet Ambush looks setup wrong? (i think it's meant to be 5 in from setup zone not edge, we setup more towards the middle of the board)

Aside from Firesrays, I'm not sold on squadrons either. I've never had any ships killed by them.

Its always anecdotal confirmation bias...

I took 5 B-Wings, 2 YT-1300s and Jan with a decked out Yavaris today... The B-Wings did all but the finishing blow to the ISD... But then spent the rest of the game fending off Flight-Controller-ed-Howlrunner'd Interceptors.

Then the next game, they dropped an Assault Frigate and an MC80 Battle Cruiser Mon Karen, after trashing Dash, Han, Jan and 2 X-Wings...

Absolute Rubbish, I agree...

Absolute Rubbish, I agree...

Totally agree Still it's not about evidence, but it is about preference. For me personally a squadronless game is faster and easier. (And i am lazy, I concede that),

Can confirm that with Bomber Command Center, X-Wing's are the dual threat they were always meant to be.

Absolute Rubbish, I agree...

Totally agree Still it's not about evidence, but it is about preference. For me personally a squadronless game is faster and easier. (And i am lazy, I concede that),

So much clutter..... I can't even put my manouvre tool on the table with all these stupid things!!!

Can confirm that with Bomber Command Center, X-Wing's are the dual threat they were always meant to be.

YUP.

Also, your Fleet Ambush is set up wrong. The short sides should be a foot further in on either side:

beyond distance 5 of any edge of the setup area

Also also, your opponent clearly did not deploy in such a way as to take advantage of that FCT/FC. He should've deployed Jan last, engaged with your two interceptors, then pushed his bombers forward to the side arc of the Liberty with FCT and torn it apart with the FC activation.

Also also also... you won against someone who didn't know how FA works, and who deployed a 140+-point MC80 aaaallll the way across the table from the point of conflict. I can't see everything on that thing, but I see at least Boosted Comm and Adar on there, all the way across the table from the squadron fight and pointing away from it. Not to impugn your opponent's competence, he probably just hadn't practiced against FA since it's so rare, but... I mean, this was pretty much a foregone conclusion with this deployment, squadrons or lack thereof notwithstanding.

Ouch...

But to me that Fleet Ambush looks setup wrong? (i think it's meant to be 5 in from setup zone not edge, we setup more towards the middle of the board)

Aside from Firesrays, I'm not sold on squadrons either. I've never had any ships killed by them.

Can confirm that with Bomber Command Center, X-Wing's are the dual threat they were always meant to be.

YUP.

Also, your Fleet Ambush is set up wrong. The short sides should be a foot further in on either side:

beyond distance 5 of any edge of the setup area

Also also, your opponent clearly did not deploy in such a way as to take advantage of that FCT/FC. He should've deployed Jan last, engaged with your two interceptors, then pushed his bombers forward to the side arc of the Liberty with FCT and torn it apart with the FC activation.Also also also... you won against someone who didn't know how FA works, and who deployed a 140+-point MC80 aaaallll the way across the table from the point of conflict. I can't see everything on that thing, but I see at least Boosted Comm and Adar on there, all the way across the table from the squadron fight and pointing away from it. Not to impugn your opponent's competence, he probably just hadn't practiced against FA since it's so rare, but... I mean, this was pretty much a foregone conclusion with this deployment, squadrons or lack thereof notwithstanding.

Hmm, yesterday I TO'd a tourney where the winner was a guy that ran 2 glads and I think 3 flots with a ton of squads. He 10-1'd 2 opponents and 7-4 the last guy.

I think squads do just fine

Ouch...

But to me that Fleet Ambush looks setup wrong? (i think it's meant to be 5 in from setup zone not edge, we setup more towards the middle of the board)

You are right. It is 2 rulers in from the short edges of the table and 1 ruler up from the long edge.

When you say short side, you mean the 3' edge of the table, correct? Cause I've always played it like OP has it, but looking at the wording now, its supposed to be essentially a small(ish) box in the very middle of the table?

Also, who was his commander? Because now I'm just praying that it was Rieekan, but I'm afraid it isn't....

When you say short side, you mean the 3' edge of the table, correct? Cause I've always played it like OP has it, but looking at the wording now, its supposed to be essentially a small(ish) box in the very middle of the table?

Fleet Ambush is the Yellow Box.

When you say short side, you mean the 3' edge of the table, correct? Cause I've always played it like OP has it, but looking at the wording now, its supposed to be essentially a small(ish) box in the very middle of the table?

Fleet Ambush is the Yellow Box.

Oh my. That is extremely helpful, and a wonderful graphic. Definitely been playing wrong. Luckily I've only played it some 3-4 times since I started playing in March. Thanks for the clarification!

I once picked Fleet Ambush with a Squadron heavy list but I put the MC80 close up to my opponents ISD on the third deployment my 4 Scurgg and twin arcs had it down to 3 hull after round 1 and the game was more or less over by round 3

Squadrons are awesome

i ran 4 scurrgs and 4 bwings commander by a raymus AFMII B and a flight coordination team MC80 command with a bomber command center flotilla over the weekend at a tournament, I expected little to no squadrons and was right, with the double boosted comms in my list just kept my distance and everything the bombers touched disintergrated thanks to those sweet rerolls each one was putting out the damage of a corvette.

came first by a large margin

So I can learn from it that playing competitive ruins not only every game but also Armada, because you ditch the very scenric squadrons totgether with half the Star Wars feeling because they are not "competitive"?

Nothing quite as sweet as double-arcing the side of a newbie's Yavaris during Fleet Ambush lol

So to ask about the elephant in the room.

What was crazy about turn 1?

Lol. He probably blew up a lot of stuff.

Is there ANY list that actually uses Fleet Ambush correctly?