Observing last months meta (live experience at tournament and on the internet) I slowly came to the point that the big PS wars are (nearly) over, or at least reduced to a very pleasant level.

Reason for that could be:

* PS6 Juke Vessery + PS5 Countess Ryad

* Anti ace weapons (Wampa, R5-P8 revenge droid, Dengar (+ title), Feedback array jumpmaster, Zuckuss, soon the Black Market Slicer Tools...) impeding Soontir, Inquisitor, Whisper, Vader, ...

* Party bus with all the anti ace scum crew

etc...

For me, it is nice to still consider PS level, but not completely be dependent on it. It's a good development for this game

I agree, it opens up a lot of pilots.

I'm hoping so. It seems it has to beat PS 3, but otherwise is fine.

I never really bought into the PS wars myself in the first place (because I've never really focused on flying aces)

If you take ships that don't drop in one turn, then it shouldn't matter anyway.

Been over since Tlts set the floor at ps 2 rather than fat Han levels

I'm less convinced that they are over. We have two new ps9 ships coming out soon, and a new ps9 Han on the way. It's currently a good idea to put in an initiative bid at ps8. We are at a lull in the ps wars, but it is cyclical. It will be back.

The PS war will never be over, however at least now....

'there are alternatives to fighting'

I'm less convinced that they are over. We have two new ps9 ships coming out soon, and a new ps9 Han on the way. It's currently a good idea to put in an initiative bid at ps8. We are at a lull in the ps wars, but it is cyclical. It will be back.

it won't

rau is hilariously overrated

QD is a glass cannon (so her influence on the PS war will be equivalent to Wedge not Whisper)

and unless Han's new ability is "cannot be attacked EVER", he's DOA to the same TLTs and torps that ran that horrible fat PWT off of tables in the first place (Good riddance)

If anything QD will be pushing PS down,not up, since you want to take your actions before he can do his activation phase shot.

As for Han, Dengaroo is proof there's still a spot for high PS PWTs at the top of the game and let's not forget a Decimator reached the finals at the UK Nationals.

dengaroo isn't a fat PWT

note how you didn't say "dengar" but rather the combination of the two pilots that make the list

once you get out of arc, the list's damage output drops to rather pathetic levels

not to mention that the easiest time you'll ever have v Dengaroo is using torp scouts to just run through Dengar

dengaroo isn't a fat PWT

note how you didn't say "dengar" but rather the combination of the two pilots that make the list

once you get out of arc, the list's damage output drops to rather pathetic levels

not to mention that the easiest time you'll ever have v Dengaroo is using torp scouts to just run through Dengar

Dengar out of arc does just fine against most ships that can arc dodge him, namely aces. Between 3-4 dice, Zuckuss and R5-P8 Dengar can kill aces quite easily, even out of arc.

Also, the fact that even if scouts beat Dengaroo it's still a widely played list and with great results shows that a bad matchup against them isn't nearly enough to chase a list out. That, and TLTs are largely extinct.

Sorry to burst your bubble, but if new Han has an ability (and/or some new crew) that makes it good against aces, it's probably going to be popular.

Popular for as long as,old Han was

Ie right until there are lists that aren't trivially beaten by him

which has been the case for 2 waves now

If aces were the only defining leg of the meta we wouldn't have moved beyond wave 7. Other lists exist and they will ruin him Palp aces or no

As currently spoiled or seen from the teaser image, the rehashed yt1300 will have precisely 0 impact on the meta. They'd need to give Han an absolutely absurd game breaking ability to change that

And honestly, if you remember wave 5 at all, that's far and away for the best

The fact that new PS9 pilot are going to arrive is no argument that the PS war continues. The tools already existing against aces will remain, independent from how many aces will come

Other lists exist and they will ruin him Palp aces or no

The way I see it, there are currently 4 main archetypes you need to consider: Palp Aces, crack swarms, triple scouts and Dengaroo. If you manage to get a favourable matchup against 2 of them without auto-losing to the other 2, you probably have a good enough list, doubly so in a faction that suffers as much as Rebels do currently.

I don't think it's impossible for new Han to achieve that (favorable matchups against Palp Aces and Dengaroo) with a good enough pilot ability.

crack swarms are less than effective. Too easy to kill howlie before the swarm fires. Crack swarm can't bump the evades out of x7's, so that's out. And they absolutely implode to Miranda/dash.

But, there is some small point to the topic. I've noticed that ryad plays leaps and bounds above her PS. it simply doesn't matter, you can't block 3 different k-turn options that are also green.

another big thing about Han is that his bull defenses from when he was all the rage just don't really work anymore, and not just v TLTs or plasma torps

tailgunner arcs ruin his **** (they also ruin dengaroo, though ) but so too does

Zuckuss (4-lom if v ole MF title)

Crackshot

Juke

they'd seriously need to break the **** out of his pilot ability for him to have a glimmer of hope

crack swarms are less than effective. Too easy to kill howlie before the swarm fires. Crack swarm can't bump the evades out of x7's, so that's out. And they absolutely implode to Miranda/dash.

Crack shot does cancel evade tokens. Tokens add an evade result and crack shot is used after calculations dice results.

Crack swarms are certainly effective.

Been over since Tlts set the floor at ps 2 rather than fat Han levels

but autothrusting autohumping and regenning aces said "nope, mate"

so nope, TLTs settled the floor for PWTs.

crack swarms are less than effective. Too easy to kill howlie before the swarm fires. Crack swarm can't bump the evades out of x7's, so that's out. And they absolutely implode to Miranda/dash.

Crack shot does cancel evade tokens. Tokens add an evade result and crack shot is used after calculations dice results.

Crack swarms are certainly effective.

I never said anything about crackshot working against evade tokens, I said you can't bump defenders and them NOT still be tokened.

Been over since Tlts set the floor at ps 2 rather than fat Han levels

but autothrusting autohumping and regenning aces said "nope, mate"

so nope, TLTs settled the floor for PWTs.

Even ran into my local groups top player during store champs, running the beaver worlds winner. Poe just melted to warden and Miranda fire

And then ran into Poe again during the next store champ and he got murdered by OL and deathrain then again I'm the only one crazy enough to run conners it seems

Rebel Regen doesn't care about ps, you need to deal with the regen itself

Speaking of worlds, Nathan carried with his ps 1 prototype and got stonewalled by heavers single ps 1 and triple ps TWO

Pilot skill wars are never really over. The thing about High Pilot Skill dominating the meta is because the low PS Swarms which were good at blocking and still have enough ships to make attacks have kind of been taken out by arc dodgers.

crack swarms are less than effective. Too easy to kill howlie before the swarm fires. Crack swarm can't bump the evades out of x7's, so that's out. And they absolutely implode to Miranda/dash.

Crack shot does cancel evade tokens. Tokens add an evade result and crack shot is used after calculations dice results.

Crack swarms are certainly effective.

I never said anything about crackshot working against evade tokens, I said you can't bump defenders and them NOT still be tokened.

So a single evade token is the hard counter to multiple crack shots?

Popular for as long as,old Han was

Ie right until there are lists that aren't trivially beaten by him

which has been the case for 2 waves now

If aces were the only defining leg of the meta we wouldn't have moved beyond wave 7. Other lists exist and they will ruin him Palp aces or no

As currently spoiled or seen from the teaser image, the rehashed yt1300 will have precisely 0 impact on the meta. They'd need to give Han an absolutely absurd game breaking ability to change that

And honestly, if you remember wave 5 at all, that's far and away for the best

First off the new falcon will be able to take an illicit, so that means rebels will be able to use black market slicer tools. Imp aces will not like that. Second do we know what the other pilots are, and their abilities? I think Rey had a nice ability, so can't remember for sure, and what about the crew and other upgrades, and also the falcons new title.

To say it's dead on arrival, is a little go early to say. I personally don't think itll be DOA. Not compared to other ships like the punisher, scyke, and karhaxz fighter