If an IT-2400 cost 16 a piece. The defender max cost will be 13-14 unless they pack two antiship dice something that's not likely.

Having 4 blue, one black, speed 5, 6 hull and bomber 13-14 it's reasonable compared to yt,2400 as rogue it's a costly keyworld for how good it is.

An X-Wing is 13 points, has less hull and 2 less speed but has escort. Reasonably it would seem the Defender will definitely be more expensive than an X-Wing. Compared to a YT2400, the Defender has more speed and bomber and only lacks Rogue. My money is on 16 points but I think 15 is a safe bet.

As a side note, I won't be surprised to see the first round of Rogues considered to be overpriced after a few waves as we get more and more squadron support options.

18 points for me Though it will likely have a red die for its anti ship

I'm expecting 4 blue antisquadron and a black bomber die. If that's the case, it'll be 20 points.

I predict 5 Anti Squadron and 1 red Anti Ship for 18.

With 6 hull AND the highest speed in the game, though? I just can't see all that for that cheap.

No Rogue though which should compensate for the Red die, speed and 2 extra anti squadron die

Lack of Rogue isn't really a detriment anymore.

If an IT-2400 cost 16 a piece. The defender max cost will be 13-14 unless they pack two antiship dice something that's not likely.

Having 4 blue, one black, speed 5, 6 hull and bomber 13-14 it's reasonable compared to yt,2400 as rogue it's a costly keyworld for how good it is.

An X-Wing is 13 points, has less hull and 2 less speed but has escort. Reasonably it would seem the Defender will definitely be more expensive than an X-Wing. Compared to a YT2400, the Defender has more speed and bomber and only lacks Rogue. My money is on 16 points but I think 15 is a safe bet.

As a side note, I won't be surprised to see the first round of Rogues considered to be overpriced after a few waves as we get more and more squadron support options.

18 points for me Though it will likely have a red die for its anti ship

I'm expecting 4 blue antisquadron and a black bomber die. If that's the case, it'll be 20 points.

I predict 5 Anti Squadron and 1 red Anti Ship for 18.

With 6 hull AND the highest speed in the game, though? I just can't see all that for that cheap.

No Rogue though which should compensate for the Red die, speed and 2 extra anti squadron die

Lack of Rogue isn't really a detriment anymore.

Never was really but having Rogue always adds points.

I am basing my points off the Firespray. It will be between 18-20 points most likely,

If an IT-2400 cost 16 a piece. The defender max cost will be 13-14 unless they pack two antiship dice something that's not likely.

Having 4 blue, one black, speed 5, 6 hull and bomber 13-14 it's reasonable compared to yt,2400 as rogue it's a costly keyworld for how good it is.

An X-Wing is 13 points, has less hull and 2 less speed but has escort. Reasonably it would seem the Defender will definitely be more expensive than an X-Wing. Compared to a YT2400, the Defender has more speed and bomber and only lacks Rogue. My money is on 16 points but I think 15 is a safe bet.

As a side note, I won't be surprised to see the first round of Rogues considered to be overpriced after a few waves as we get more and more squadron support options.

18 points for me Though it will likely have a red die for its anti ship

I'm expecting 4 blue antisquadron and a black bomber die. If that's the case, it'll be 20 points.

I predict 5 Anti Squadron and 1 red Anti Ship for 18.

With 6 hull AND the highest speed in the game, though? I just can't see all that for that cheap.

No Rogue though which should compensate for the Red die, speed and 2 extra anti squadron die

Lack of Rogue isn't really a detriment anymore.

Never was really but having Rogue always adds points.

I am basing my points off the Firespray. It will be between 18-20 points most likely,

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

If an IT-2400 cost 16 a piece. The defender max cost will be 13-14 unless they pack two antiship dice something that's not likely.

Having 4 blue, one black, speed 5, 6 hull and bomber 13-14 it's reasonable compared to yt,2400 as rogue it's a costly keyworld for how good it is.

An X-Wing is 13 points, has less hull and 2 less speed but has escort. Reasonably it would seem the Defender will definitely be more expensive than an X-Wing. Compared to a YT2400, the Defender has more speed and bomber and only lacks Rogue. My money is on 16 points but I think 15 is a safe bet.

As a side note, I won't be surprised to see the first round of Rogues considered to be overpriced after a few waves as we get more and more squadron support options.

18 points for me Though it will likely have a red die for its anti ship

I'm expecting 4 blue antisquadron and a black bomber die. If that's the case, it'll be 20 points.

I predict 5 Anti Squadron and 1 red Anti Ship for 18.

With 6 hull AND the highest speed in the game, though? I just can't see all that for that cheap.

No Rogue though which should compensate for the Red die, speed and 2 extra anti squadron die

Lack of Rogue isn't really a detriment anymore.

Never was really but having Rogue always adds points.

I am basing my points off the Firespray. It will be between 18-20 points most likely,

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

Definitely could have black but it is unlikely to be more expensive when you also consider that YT2400 is speed 4 with Rogue, a black die and 4 anti-squadron and 6 hull. So if the YT2400 lost rogue, gained bomber and 1 speed what would that put its points at?

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

Definitely could have black but it is unlikely to be more expensive when you also consider that YT2400 is speed 4 with Rogue, a black die and 4 anti-squadron and 6 hull. So if the YT2400 lost rogue, gained bomber and 1 speed what would that put its points at?

I was suggesting that with a black anti squad the points might be closer to the 18 you suggested. The 5th blue AS die pushes the damage cap up so I would expect more of a points bump. Also kind of works within your YT2400 example.

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

Definitely could have black but it is unlikely to be more expensive when you also consider that YT2400 is speed 4 with Rogue, a black die and 4 anti-squadron and 6 hull. So if the YT2400 lost rogue, gained bomber and 1 speed what would that put its points at?

I was suggesting that with a black anti squad the points might be closer to the 18 you suggested. The 5th blue AS die pushes the damage cap up so I would expect more of a points bump. Also kind of works within your YT2400 example.

We are talking about what was considered the best Star Fighter ever built.

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

Definitely could have black but it is unlikely to be more expensive when you also consider that YT2400 is speed 4 with Rogue, a black die and 4 anti-squadron and 6 hull. So if the YT2400 lost rogue, gained bomber and 1 speed what would that put its points at?

I was suggesting that with a black anti squad the points might be closer to the 18 you suggested. The 5th blue AS die pushes the damage cap up so I would expect more of a points bump. Also kind of works within your YT2400 example.

We are talking about what was considered the best Star Fighter ever built.

Still a game where balance and play-ability is more important. Prime example is what they did the Defender in X-Wing.

The Firespary has Rogue but has 2 less speed. With 5 anti-quad die and even a red bomber die I would still expect the Defender to be more expensive. Maybe instead of 5 AS dice they change up the colors? Switch a blue to a black?

Definitely could have black but it is unlikely to be more expensive when you also consider that YT2400 is speed 4 with Rogue, a black die and 4 anti-squadron and 6 hull. So if the YT2400 lost rogue, gained bomber and 1 speed what would that put its points at?

I was suggesting that with a black anti squad the points might be closer to the 18 you suggested. The 5th blue AS die pushes the damage cap up so I would expect more of a points bump. Also kind of works within your YT2400 example.

We are talking about what was considered the best Star Fighter ever built.

Still a game where balance and play-ability is more important. Prime example is what they did the Defender in X-Wing.

You mean they made it useless until they fixed it with an expansion?

I can see 20 points maybe as much as 22 but no more. I can see YV666 levels of damage but 5 dice would underscore its potential as a superior Star Fighter. 1 Red die would underscore that they use the same types of anti-ship weapons as an X-Wing.

Dash is 24pts

Reign it in a bit

We are talking about what was considered the best Star Fighter ever built.

Still a game where balance and play-ability is more important. Prime example is what they did the Defender in X-Wing.

You mean they made it useless until they fixed it with an expansion?

I can see 20 points maybe as much as 22 but no more. I can see YV666 levels of damage but 5 dice would underscore its potential as a superior Star Fighter. 1 Red die would underscore that they use the same types of anti-ship weapons as an X-Wing.

I was pointing out that the X-Wing Defender doesn't really reflect the lore. Even considering the changes they just made to it the Defender isn't really anything like the lore. It's a clear example of game designers making a consciousness decision to make a piece play a certain way despite canon. BUT, at this point we are arguing over basically two points. I just pointed out that with 5 AS dice the Defender should be more than a Firespray and then we went off.

I'll up the stakes on this rampant defender offshoot thread. I think it'll have 6 blue and an bomb of 2 black. 22 points.

I'll up the stakes on this rampant defender offshoot thread. I think it'll have 6 blue and an bomb of 2 black. 22 points.

It's as if millions of enemy ships suddenly cried out in terror, and were suddenly silenced. . .

I'll up the stakes on this rampant defender offshoot thread. I think it'll have 6 blue and an bomb of 2 black. 22 points.