I like what the card does, but it kinda sucks that Ptl a wings are even more screwed than they already were.

remove 1 stress , roll a blank and Palpatine just laughs.

That's not how the force works... Like did you even read the card before? Stress is removed if successful damage, damage is rolled by the opposite player so no plaping it.

Who said anything about using Palp on it? If you have Palp on your team, you **** well gonna laugh like him when your opponent misses.

Very little. I think you'll see the likes of Vader and /x7s of various stripes more, but in the end palp/aces involves 'get as many ships with focus/evade every round as possible, and make them tankier' which hasn't stopped being possible because slicers exist.

I agree with Space. It has a 50/50 chance to work and still uses an action. Either giving themselves a stress from PTL or Experimental Interface, or denying them a defence token which leaves them open to high PS aces. The benefit of BMST maybe prioritising a target for the enemy and leaving your other ships free for a few turns.

Very little. I think you'll see the likes of Vader and /x7s of various stripes more, but in the end palp/aces involves 'get as many ships with focus/evade every round as possible, and make them tankier' which hasn't stopped being possible because slicers exist.

PalpAces relies on using Palpatine, Autothrusters and a stack of tokens to shrug off an attack a round. It wants to make as few defence rolls as possible because its defence is mostly once per round effects. If you use TIE defenders or non-PTL non-Vader ships then lists that'd wither against Soontir (because they can't get him in arc) can successfully threaten you again.

Or Yorr just gets more common.

Means the shuttle has to be in the fight, making it much more vunerable.

I like what the card does, but it kinda sucks that Ptl a wings are even more screwed than they already were.

The A-wing was never in as desperate need of PTL as the TIE interceptor.

Very little. I think you'll see the likes of Vader and /x7s of various stripes more, but in the end palp/aces involves 'get as many ships with focus/evade every round as possible, and make them tankier' which hasn't stopped being possible because slicers exist.

PalpAces relies on using Palpatine, Autothrusters and a stack of tokens to shrug off an attack a round. It wants to make as few defence rolls as possible because its defence is mostly once per round effects. If you use TIE defenders or non-PTL non-Vader ships then lists that'd wither against Soontir (because they can't get him in arc) can successfully threaten you again.

Or Yorr just gets more common.

Means the shuttle has to be in the fight, making it much more vunerable.

I like what the card does, but it kinda sucks that Ptl a wings are even more screwed than they already were.

The A-wing was never in as desperate need of PTL as the TIE interceptor.

People be treating BMST as if it's auto damage. I feel those people are going to be disappointed. It's an illicit which whilst currently rare, and only available to Scum until HotR are released. It's not going to stop Palp Aces even a little bit.

You might see a swing to non PTL aces for a while, but overall still a strong archetype. Yorr might see more play time.

Great point - they've already got a good counter to BMST ready to go. Hadn't thought of that, I'd say it has a massive effect on BMST's playability.

Maybe best boost for brobots, esprecially with advanced sensors. So you have to stay out of range before and after movement.

I think what's more interesting is what BMSL will do to scum lists.

Will it just be tagged on to the Uboats? Will scum lists start bringing a few cheap Z95s with slicers?

Any ship with an empty illicit slot and a point to spare gets slicers?

Black Market Slicer Tools.

It's bad news for the Inquistor and for Soontir. For those who continue to play PalpAces expect a shift towards TIE defenders and Vader. They're more killable but less vunerable to BMST.

IDK about that. Vessery with Stealth Device, x7, and Juke with Palp backup is pretty much invincible.

If you're in a PalpAces area you're not going to see things that can't stand up to normal PalpAces. Vessery will probably do pretty well against things that threaten Soontir but if you're no longer having to account for Soontir's mobility you can bring the firepower to deal with Vessery.

Friend tried it recently but given that I don't use PTL aces that much it was not very effective, he put flechette torps on a few ships but only managed to get one off.

Think he took one shield of Rexler so was largely a waste of points.

Like Wampa, BMST goes directly to hull.

Also, its not a waste of points, but a waste of a point . Unless you take more than one of course. But spending 1 point to give you better chances at winning what could otherwise be a very difficult matchup is not a bad idea at all...

He took the shield off with the torps slicer tools never got used and I shed the stress next turn.

BMST is phenomenally cheap, you lose very little by taking it. Its benefit is that it allows anything with an illicit to fight a PTL ace, meaning you can tailor the list to fight other things.

Indeed. Plus with Sabine's TIE coming, you can realistically get one in a rebel list for very few points compared to a prototype pilot blocker, and get a very efficient....not exactly ace-killer, but ace-annoyer. It's especially efficient, as noted, against The Inquisitor.

Slicer Zeb is gonna be interesting. Zeb's ability is actually really good for a TIE pilot, the amount of times they kark it to hit/direct hit is irritating.

remove 1 stress , roll a blank and Palpatine just laughs.

That's not how the force works... Like did you even read the card before? Stress is removed if successful damage, damage is rolled by the opposite player so no plaping it.

Who said anything about using Palp on it? If you have Palp on your team, you **** well gonna laugh like him when your opponent misses.

You still got half the card wrong

Black Market Slicer Tools.

It's bad news for the Inquistor and for Soontir. For those who continue to play PalpAces expect a shift towards TIE defenders and Vader. They're more killable but less vunerable to BMST.

This - a Tie Defender with x7 and the Mk II Engine Upgrade. I use this combo all the time on my Defenders, and rarely take stress.

Indeed. Plus with Sabine's TIE coming, you can realistically get one in a rebel list for very few points compared to a prototype pilot blocker, and get a very efficient....not exactly ace-killer, but ace-annoyer. It's especially efficient, as noted, against The Inquisitor.

Been playing around with Sabine with BMST, EPT and crew options.

I think there's a potential Ace Hunter in her.

Indeed. Plus with Sabine's TIE coming, you can realistically get one in a rebel list for very few points compared to a prototype pilot blocker, and get a very efficient....not exactly ace-killer, but ace-annoyer. It's especially efficient, as noted, against The Inquisitor.

Been playing around with Sabine with BMST, EPT and crew options.

I think there's a potential Ace Hunter in her.

She's ps5 they just don't PTL the first turn burn her down then carry on as normal.

It will literally have no effect whatsoever. You have a 50% chance to do damage at the cost of your action. That is horrible. Feedback array is a much stronger and consistent ace killer but you don't see it either. People will try the BMST when it comes out, realize it sucks and it will go into the junk card box.

It will give people the spooks real good I bet. It won't be super effective but it will be something.

I think those people who say that BMST will have zero impact on the game are deluding themselves. You can easily fit in 2-3 Z-95's into a list with BMST and that will burn Soontir Fel down pretty quickly.

I think it's more than BMST, though. There are a number of things in Wave 9 that will really hurt Soontir Fel. Right off the bat I'm thinking about Ventress and Old Tetroch. I think that there are a lot more tools to dealing with Soontir Fel then there were before.

Tie Defenders are also a thing, now, so we might see people veer away from Soontir Fel just for a change.

I think Soontir will still be in the game, but I believe we will see less of him than we currently do, which is a good thing to me.

For the initial release, i imagine PTL aces will vanish because scum will be spamming slicers. Soontir basically has a Doom timer over his head, or Tycho, or ..or...or.. you get the picture lol.

One Slicer will just be annoying and probably only in a list as a "well i got a point and an illicit lying around" type upgrade. Meaning they'll only actually use it if they dont think they will need a tl/focus.

Two or more, your opponent is clearly gunning for self-stress ships. Its quite rare to see a list that doesnt stress itself, either through upgrades, abilities, or constant k-turns. My current "competitive" imperial list is probably the first ive fielded in a LONG TIME that really doesnt stress out, and the only time i do is a 5k on bombers (which usually puts me at range3 anyway).

Down the road, like closer to wave10 down the road, PTL aces will come back because people will start fielding less slicers due to there being vastly less stress related lists lol.

Agreed, but when they come back, there will be fewer of them as other people have found other ships they like to fly. Or...if Soontir comes back....so will BMST (and a host of other counters to him).

It will literally have no effect whatsoever. You have a 50% chance to do damage at the cost of your action. That is horrible. Feedback array is a much stronger and consistent ace killer but you don't see it either. People will try the BMST when it comes out, realize it sucks and it will go into the junk card box.

This is so far off from reality. Having already used BMST a few times I can safely say that it is on par with Feedback Array (and you do see it in top levels of play, btw). It becomes even better than feedback because it is a point cheaper AND deals damage directly to hull (bypassing shields) allowing it to threaten even the likes of Dash Rendar. It absolutely will not be relagated to 'the junk card box'.

If nothing else, it is definitely auto-include on Ventress (and she is without a doubt a top tier ship, possibly the best thing coming in Wave 9). So that alone will guarantee BMST sees regular use even at the highest competitive levels. And I think you will see it on other ships as well thanks to how cheap it is.

I think those people who say that BMST will have zero impact on the game are deluding themselves. You can easily fit in 2-3 Z-95's into a list with BMST and that will burn Soontir Fel down pretty quickly.

The problem is building your list to counter 1 thing/archetype. You can bring RAC/Fel at 97 points and beat Soontir/Inq Palp Aces in 3-4 turns. But how does it stand up to other lists?

I like BMST for the extra point or two to toss in your list as a "just in case" and give you a chance, but building around using BMST won't get you very far in the meta.

the people that think it will have 0 impact are thinking of Saboteur.

Saboteur is essentially the same thing, except it 1) costs more 2) takes a MUCH more valuable crew slot (especially in scum) and 3) it almost never causes any real effect since it only flips a card up.

The one game i decided to try EI + Sabo i ended up somehow randomly grabbing the stupid "Cannot be assigned straight" crit on a DEFENDER (4k is not a straight) that was currently doing the defender-perma-loop-thing anyway. Even tried the TIE Adv guy that does it with a TL automatically, did a lot of stress...against a Ghost with Hera lol. Not once in 3-4 games with either of those did i flip a card i actually wanted to flip.

Slicers DEALS A CARD which bypasses shields and your insane defenses. Wont do jack against some squishy ships like Phantoms because they never get stressed, but others such as Corran with PTL are going to be HURTING because yes its a 50% chance...yes it takes an action...its well worth it if it statistically only takes 3 attempts to take out a 2hull ship without ever shooting at him.