Guys guys guys. I got it. We come up with a fair system to award a sportsmanship award to the truly best sportsman in every game of a tournament, and we allow them to make any changes to Palpatine, Aces, Rebel Regen, and Super Dash that they want.

It would be worth it just to see PGS actually try to care about a human being other than himself. And I mean that in like a, "that would be really funny and painful to watch" kind of way.

You mean when I'm playing a game, my opponent misses a trigger, I say "You already fired with your PS 7, you missed your chance to fire with your PS 8.", and a third party who had the bye that round butts in telling me how I'm an *******, how what I'm doing is so sh*tty, and that he hopes karma gets me?

Why should I care about players other than myself? Firstly, this is a competetive wargame, the idea is to stomp their throat out not hug them. Secondly, half of them are going to throw a fit if I hold them to the rules. Why not just fly nothing but Dengaroo and Palp Aces? If I fly a 'fun', skill intensive, underpowered list with 4 T-65's and 4 R7 Astromechs someone else who isn't gimping themselves will just fly Power RAC and Soontir for the 5th week in a row and kick my ass and place 1st for the 5th week in a row. I could be that guy instead.

And hey, while I'm doing it I'll have a laugh as I'm picking up my 5 dice for my Advanced Proton Torpedo shot from Dengar. "And Dengar's Counterattack. Hmm, it only has one health. You know what? Let's use APT's on it. Nuke it from orbit, only way to be sure."

Given that X-wing is so far the only system I saw where playing by the rules can get you called a bad sport I doubt it's a very good idea.

Can't have seen many systems then.

I don't mean abusing the rules,but simply using the rules as intended.

See all the flak directed at the players after Roanoke.

Another issue with sportsmanship awards is that some people are just ****s and will mark you down regardless on how you play.

Firstly, this is a competetive wargame, the idea is to stomp their throat out not hug them.

No. The idea is to have fun. Anything else - winning, losing, repainting, collecting, calling people on mistakes at inconvenient moments, whatever you enjoy, is a means to an end.

If one opponent in particular would be identified by everyone who played him/her as "the most fun game I've had today", I'd quite like to see them recognised for such. No, I don't want them to win or get any 'ranking' boost, but it's a worthwhile achievement in and of itself; because they have contributed to several people having a good day.

So many people worrying about people "gaming the system" of a sportsmanship prize. I don't think you get it. It's a nice extra, it's not another competition for you to try and win; the people likely to win a sportsmanship prize aren't the ones who'll be bothered by the idea that "if you don't give me a takeback when I want one, you are getting docked scores". If enough people abuse it then that particular venue will be full of, well, a certain sort, and the other sort will go elsewhere (or stop playing), just as happens already I expect.

Last Saturday as a joke I demanded a sportsmanship prize for being nice (it was a joke and everyone was well aware of it being a joke). As we laughed it was pointed out that demanding a sportsmanship prize is unsporting

It should be an alt art of wingman., clearly. Something nobody would use, but would be neat to have.

So many people worrying about people "gaming the system" of a sportsmanship prize. I don't think you get it. It's a nice extra, it's not another competition for you to try and win...

You are missing a critical point. If you make something like a sportsmanship score / vote / prize / award part of your tournament structure, it is - by definition - not just "a nice extra". It becomes (in both perception and fact) a part of the tournament, and that is not a good thing. It does not meaningfully contribute to the cause of encouraging people to be more friendly and generate a positive atmosphere for players - it just slaps a number (and potentially some store credit) onto it.

Being the kind of player you want to play against - or play with , from a more holistic point of view - is what will encourage and grow the atmosphere and attitude that people want to encourage with having a sportsmanship score or prize.

It's not that everyone is worried about people gaming the system (though it has historically been a near universal fact that the system does get gamed), it's that the system doesn't actually do anything to encourage what people want it to . It's a case of not needing to fix something that isn't broken. People who are fun to play with are already reaping the reward for their positive attitude - they're having a blast playing a game and socializing!

Firstly, this is a competetive wargame, the idea is to stomp their throat out not hug them.

No. The idea is to have fun. Anything else - winning, losing, repainting, collecting, calling people on mistakes at inconvenient moments, whatever you enjoy, is a means to an end.

If one opponent in particular would be identified by everyone who played him/her as "the most fun game I've had today", I'd quite like to see them recognised for such. No, I don't want them to win or get any 'ranking' boost, but it's a worthwhile achievement in and of itself; because they have contributed to several people having a good day.

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

Yeah honestly sportsmanship scores in my experience are either meaningless because not giving it is considered assholish or just a platform for sore losers to complain.

Oh boy my sportsmanship score dropped because i used ig88 and got good rolls so it was frustrating.

it's that the system doesn't actually do anything to encourage what people want it to . It's a case of not needing to fix something that isn't broken. People who are fun to play with are already reaping the reward for their positive attitude - they're having a blast playing a game and socializing!

This is my take on it too. To me good sportsmanship is it's own reward, I don't need a prize to encourage me to be like that. In fact anyone who is actually motivated to be more sporting by a prize isn't really going to pull it off. It's like trying to fake sincerity...

Plus as Aaron points out, there's always that notion of karma, that the good sports, the fun players, the nice guys will be remembered and they'll be the ones who get asked to play in a league or just a pick up game, and the people who aren't will generally be avoided.

Also as he points out the system will in fact be gamed by some, it's just how it happens. Someone gets beat by a 'cheesy list' will dock the other guys score. Someone who wins because of great rolls will not get a up vote. Someone who refuses to allow a take back will be called a poor sport... So the whole thing really adds nothing but can and will make some events worse.

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

I do. I am perfectly happy to go "oh bugger" when I realise I've made a mistake, and will often not take a 'do-over' even if offered, because the experience will help me to remember said opportunity in future, even though I'll usually offer the opportunity to an opponent if I realise they're in that situation.

"Demanding to be allowed to correct missed opportunities" isn't being casual about something. It's essentially asking to be let off a mistake. If you can't maintain equanimity when you make a mistake, or when you lose, you shouldn't be at a tournament.

Not because you're a bad player. Almost everyone at a tournament, definitionally, must lose a game, and everyone (unless they have serious ego issues) should accept that at some point they will make a mistake.

You shouldn't be there because you won't enjoy the experience, which is a very bad thing, and because you will probably make it worse for other players, which is another.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying competition. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to win. But unless you're specifically deriving pleasure from being antisocial, it's possible to win, and win well, without doing so. It is possible to say politely that you don't intend to allow 'do-overs', just as it's possible to ask politely rather than treating it as a right. 'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun. Close-fought games are stressful as hell but I usually find more satisfying for all that. Other people's opinons, will, of course vary.

* I doubt I'll ever get 100-0; TIE swarms don't tend to do that.

'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

This is something many people seem to either miss or intentionally skip. You can play strictly by the rules and still fly casual, the fact that I don't let you fix a mistake doesn't mean I'm breaking any sort of social contract, especially when we're playing at a tournament.

Last night I was playing X-Wing at the LGS and I was trying out Emon with bombs and EI. I could use EI to drop a bomb after taking a Focus action. A couple times I dropped a bomb and then went to take a focus, and the guy I was playing pointed out that was doing it wrong, I can't use EI for focus. The end result was the same, focus token, bomb dropped and a stress, and he was fine with letting me do it out of order. Just pointing out that someone else may not allow it. They'd be well within their rights to not allow it, and not allowing it wouldn't make them a poor sport.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun.

Last week I played the same guy two games, I won the first 100-0 and he won the second 100-0. First game my dice were super hot and his were ice cold, then that reversed itself next game. Both games were actually fun, but once before against a different guy I beat him 100-0 and that was not fun for either of us, because it was such a lopsided game.

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

I do. I am perfectly happy to go "oh bugger" when I realise I've made a mistake, and will often not take a 'do-over' even if offered, because the experience will help me to remember said opportunity in future, even though I'll usually offer the opportunity to an opponent if I realise they're in that situation.

"Demanding to be allowed to correct missed opportunities" isn't being casual about something. It's essentially asking to be let off a mistake. If you can't maintain equanimity when you make a mistake, or when you lose, you shouldn't be at a tournament.

Not because you're a bad player. Almost everyone at a tournament, definitionally, must lose a game, and everyone (unless they have serious ego issues) should accept that at some point they will make a mistake.

You shouldn't be there because you won't enjoy the experience, which is a very bad thing, and because you will probably make it worse for other players, which is another.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying competition. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to win. But unless you're specifically deriving pleasure from being antisocial, it's possible to win, and win well, without doing so. It is possible to say politely that you don't intend to allow 'do-overs', just as it's possible to ask politely rather than treating it as a right. 'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun. Close-fought games are stressful as hell but I usually find more satisfying for all that. Other people's opinons, will, of course vary.

* I doubt I'll ever get 100-0; TIE swarms don't tend to do that.

People could be reasonable like you.

Or they could throw a temper tantrum and start insulting you for displaying what they consider poor sportsmanship. These people would misunderstand a sportsmanship award system.

People like me would game the system by giving everyone else zeroes in order to maximize my chances of winning it, or I'd just kingmake my friend. And I certainly wouldn't give any of the Super Dash players in my area a positive vote. I power game Uno and Dixit, of course I'm going to power game a sportsmanship system if only to ruin it for people that enjoy it because it would be funny. In fact, I would specifically vote for only my friends while specifically not voting for the new player just because it would be funny. You would just be enabling my sabotage.

We shouldn't have to reward being decent to each other. We should just do that. Don't create a system that can be broken, because certain players will.

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

I do. I am perfectly happy to go "oh bugger" when I realise I've made a mistake, and will often not take a 'do-over' even if offered, because the experience will help me to remember said opportunity in future, even though I'll usually offer the opportunity to an opponent if I realise they're in that situation.

"Demanding to be allowed to correct missed opportunities" isn't being casual about something. It's essentially asking to be let off a mistake. If you can't maintain equanimity when you make a mistake, or when you lose, you shouldn't be at a tournament.

Not because you're a bad player. Almost everyone at a tournament, definitionally, must lose a game, and everyone (unless they have serious ego issues) should accept that at some point they will make a mistake.

You shouldn't be there because you won't enjoy the experience, which is a very bad thing, and because you will probably make it worse for other players, which is another.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying competition. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to win. But unless you're specifically deriving pleasure from being antisocial, it's possible to win, and win well, without doing so. It is possible to say politely that you don't intend to allow 'do-overs', just as it's possible to ask politely rather than treating it as a right. 'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun. Close-fought games are stressful as hell but I usually find more satisfying for all that. Other people's opinons, will, of course vary.

* I doubt I'll ever get 100-0; TIE swarms don't tend to do that.

People could be reasonable like you.

Or they could throw a temper tantrum and start insulting you for displaying what they consider poor sportsmanship. These people would misunderstand a sportsmanship award system.

People like me would game the system by giving everyone else zeroes in order to maximize my chances of winning it, or I'd just kingmake my friend. And I certainly wouldn't give any of the Super Dash players in my area a positive vote. I power game Uno and Dixit, of course I'm going to power game a sportsmanship system if only to ruin it for people that enjoy it because it would be funny. In fact, I would specifically vote for only my friends while specifically not voting for the new player just because it would be funny. You would just be enabling my sabotage.

We shouldn't have to reward being decent to each other. We should just do that. Don't create a system that can be broken, because certain players will.

Wow. You really work at demonstrating how to be the south-end of a north-bound horse, aren't you?

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

I do. I am perfectly happy to go "oh bugger" when I realise I've made a mistake, and will often not take a 'do-over' even if offered, because the experience will help me to remember said opportunity in future, even though I'll usually offer the opportunity to an opponent if I realise they're in that situation.

"Demanding to be allowed to correct missed opportunities" isn't being casual about something. It's essentially asking to be let off a mistake. If you can't maintain equanimity when you make a mistake, or when you lose, you shouldn't be at a tournament.

Not because you're a bad player. Almost everyone at a tournament, definitionally, must lose a game, and everyone (unless they have serious ego issues) should accept that at some point they will make a mistake.

You shouldn't be there because you won't enjoy the experience, which is a very bad thing, and because you will probably make it worse for other players, which is another.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying competition. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to win. But unless you're specifically deriving pleasure from being antisocial, it's possible to win, and win well, without doing so. It is possible to say politely that you don't intend to allow 'do-overs', just as it's possible to ask politely rather than treating it as a right. 'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun. Close-fought games are stressful as hell but I usually find more satisfying for all that. Other people's opinons, will, of course vary.

* I doubt I'll ever get 100-0; TIE swarms don't tend to do that.

People could be reasonable like you.

Or they could throw a temper tantrum and start insulting you for displaying what they consider poor sportsmanship. These people would misunderstand a sportsmanship award system.

People like me would game the system by giving everyone else zeroes in order to maximize my chances of winning it, or I'd just kingmake my friend. And I certainly wouldn't give any of the Super Dash players in my area a positive vote. I power game Uno and Dixit, of course I'm going to power game a sportsmanship system if only to ruin it for people that enjoy it because it would be funny. In fact, I would specifically vote for only my friends while specifically not voting for the new player just because it would be funny. You would just be enabling my sabotage.

We shouldn't have to reward being decent to each other. We should just do that. Don't create a system that can be broken, because certain players will.

Wow. You really work at demonstrating how to be the south-end of a north-bound horse, aren't you?

Yes, and you'd be enabling my behavior if a sportsmanship system were to be developed.

An odd thing about sportsmanship can be that sometimes the same action could be considered to go either way. To me the "missed opportunities" thing is a big place where sportsmanship or unsportsmanship like behaivor could be consider being the same thing.

It is sportsman like to remind you of triggers and opportunities that you have instead of silently letting them pass by?

How about if I only mention the required ones and leave out any that may be option even if there is no reason not to use them and using them may hurt me?

Now that the trigger has silently passed what is the call when someone suddenly notices what could/should have been done? What about when the other player goes and "points out the rules" to the other player?

If a TO gets called on something is that automatically going to be seen as being unsportsmanlike by one side or even both sides for different reasons?

How does practicing/allowing/calling sloppy play play into sportsmanship? What about play speed? When one player is following the allowed rules but the other believes it is an intentional abuse of that rule?

Maybe we all think we'd know good/bad sportsmanship when we see it but how we each define those things is not going to be universally consistent.

People, has Hollywood taught you nothing? No amount of rational discourse is going to get PGS to change his ways. If his heart's going to grow three sizes, we need to adopt ludicrous hairstyles, gather in a great circle, and sing Christmas carols!

(Alternatively, someone could break into his home and throw three Ghosts at him in the middle of the night.)

But for some people idea of having fun means participating in competitive, cutthroat competition and come out of it victorious.

Also argument about sportsmanship can be reversed - let's say someone didn't allow you to make your move, justifying it by "missed opportunity" rule. Some say guy doing this is unsportsmanlike jerk - well, quite the contrary; it is you who can't deal with this - if winning is not important for you why can't you respect official ruling and accept that you made a mistake?

I do. I am perfectly happy to go "oh bugger" when I realise I've made a mistake, and will often not take a 'do-over' even if offered, because the experience will help me to remember said opportunity in future, even though I'll usually offer the opportunity to an opponent if I realise they're in that situation.

"Demanding to be allowed to correct missed opportunities" isn't being casual about something. It's essentially asking to be let off a mistake. If you can't maintain equanimity when you make a mistake, or when you lose, you shouldn't be at a tournament.

Not because you're a bad player. Almost everyone at a tournament, definitionally, must lose a game, and everyone (unless they have serious ego issues) should accept that at some point they will make a mistake.

You shouldn't be there because you won't enjoy the experience, which is a very bad thing, and because you will probably make it worse for other players, which is another.

There's nothing wrong with enjoying competition. There's certainly nothing wrong with wanting to win. But unless you're specifically deriving pleasure from being antisocial, it's possible to win, and win well, without doing so. It is possible to say politely that you don't intend to allow 'do-overs', just as it's possible to ask politely rather than treating it as a right. 'Fly casual' works both ways - you can be casual without being sloppy.

But there are games I've won eighty-odd nill* that weren't fun for either side, and other games where I've been smashed to bits but have been great fun. Close-fought games are stressful as hell but I usually find more satisfying for all that. Other people's opinons, will, of course vary.

* I doubt I'll ever get 100-0; TIE swarms don't tend to do that.

People could be reasonable like you.

Or they could throw a temper tantrum and start insulting you for displaying what they consider poor sportsmanship. These people would misunderstand a sportsmanship award system.

People like me would game the system by giving everyone else zeroes in order to maximize my chances of winning it, or I'd just kingmake my friend. And I certainly wouldn't give any of the Super Dash players in my area a positive vote. I power game Uno and Dixit, of course I'm going to power game a sportsmanship system if only to ruin it for people that enjoy it because it would be funny. In fact, I would specifically vote for only my friends while specifically not voting for the new player just because it would be funny. You would just be enabling my sabotage.

We shouldn't have to reward being decent to each other. We should just do that. Don't create a system that can be broken, because certain players will.

You have friends?

So many people worrying about people "gaming the system" of a sportsmanship prize. I don't think you get it. It's a nice extra, it's not another competition for you to try and win...

You are missing a critical point. If you make something like a sportsmanship score / vote / prize / award part of your tournament structure, it is - by definition - not just "a nice extra". It becomes (in both perception and fact) a part of the tournament, and that is not a good thing. It does not meaningfully contribute to the cause of encouraging people to be more friendly and generate a positive atmosphere for players - it just slaps a number (and potentially some store credit) onto it.

Being the kind of player you want to play against - or play with , from a more holistic point of view - is what will encourage and grow the atmosphere and attitude that people want to encourage with having a sportsmanship score or prize.

It's not that everyone is worried about people gaming the system (though it has historically been a near universal fact that the system does get gamed), it's that the system doesn't actually do anything to encourage what people want it to . It's a case of not needing to fix something that isn't broken. People who are fun to play with are already reaping the reward for their positive attitude - they're having a blast playing a game and socializing!

No, I think you're missing the critical point (which isn't to say many other people wouldn't miss it too in the event it was implemented). It need not *be* a part of the tournament structure - it's just an extra thing on the side of the tournament. It's all about how you think about it. Obviously there'll be many people who do think about it as another system to be gamed, but if such a people are the majority in an area then, well, that tells you something and you can make decisions based on that.

This is something many people seem to either miss or intentionally skip. You can play strictly by the rules and still fly casual, the fact that I don't let you fix a mistake doesn't mean I'm breaking any sort of social contract, especially when we're playing at a tournament.

Last night I was playing X-Wing at the LGS and I was trying out Emon with bombs and EI. I could use EI to drop a bomb after taking a Focus action. A couple times I dropped a bomb and then went to take a focus, and the guy I was playing pointed out that was doing it wrong, I can't use EI for focus. The end result was the same, focus token, bomb dropped and a stress, and he was fine with letting me do it out of order. Just pointing out that someone else may not allow it. They'd be well within their rights to not allow it, and not allowing it wouldn't make them a poor sport.

Yes it would make them a poor sport. There's a solid difference between things that actually effect the game (barrel roll -> bomb drop vs. bomb drop -> barrel roll using your EI example) and pedantically nitpicking rules minutiae for no good reason other than to WAAC.

Pointing it out, totally cool. Not allowing it, perfectly within their rights. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

This is something many people seem to either miss or intentionally skip. You can play strictly by the rules and still fly casual, the fact that I don't let you fix a mistake doesn't mean I'm breaking any sort of social contract, especially when we're playing at a tournament.

Last night I was playing X-Wing at the LGS and I was trying out Emon with bombs and EI. I could use EI to drop a bomb after taking a Focus action. A couple times I dropped a bomb and then went to take a focus, and the guy I was playing pointed out that was doing it wrong, I can't use EI for focus. The end result was the same, focus token, bomb dropped and a stress, and he was fine with letting me do it out of order. Just pointing out that someone else may not allow it. They'd be well within their rights to not allow it, and not allowing it wouldn't make them a poor sport.

Yes it would make them a poor sport. There's a solid difference between things that actually effect the game (barrel roll -> bomb drop vs. bomb drop -> barrel roll using your EI example) and pedantically nitpicking rules minutiae for no good reason other than to WAAC.

Pointing it out, totally cool. Not allowing it, perfectly within their rights. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

Also how hard is it for people to understand that PGS is just trying to get a rise out of people. He loves to troll the casual players. Nothing you say will make him change any of his beliefs and he's gonna try and type out the craziest stuff to get you all to react.

This is something many people seem to either miss or intentionally skip. You can play strictly by the rules and still fly casual, the fact that I don't let you fix a mistake doesn't mean I'm breaking any sort of social contract, especially when we're playing at a tournament.

Last night I was playing X-Wing at the LGS and I was trying out Emon with bombs and EI. I could use EI to drop a bomb after taking a Focus action. A couple times I dropped a bomb and then went to take a focus, and the guy I was playing pointed out that was doing it wrong, I can't use EI for focus. The end result was the same, focus token, bomb dropped and a stress, and he was fine with letting me do it out of order. Just pointing out that someone else may not allow it. They'd be well within their rights to not allow it, and not allowing it wouldn't make them a poor sport.

Yes it would make them a poor sport. There's a solid difference between things that actually effect the game (barrel roll -> bomb drop vs. bomb drop -> barrel roll using your EI example) and pedantically nitpicking rules minutiae for no good reason other than to WAAC.

Pointing it out, totally cool. Not allowing it, perfectly within their rights. But just because you can do something doesn't mean you should.

You're completely wrong. Playing by the rules doesn't make you waac or a jerk. Some of us actually want to play a clean and tight version of the game aka the version the developers created.

Sorry, I'll amend that to WAAC or OCD...

Playing by the rules doesn't make you a jerk. Forcing the person across the table to adhere to a rigid and absolute standard, that has no impact on the outcome of the game and is instead simply a blind following of process solely for the sake of process, on the other hand does. Their action caused you no tangible harm, the reverse is not true.

But that's my subjective opinion on the matter which is incidentally why there would be so many hurt feelings over any sort of official sportsmanship prize

Well, if we're getting to demand prizes I want a "Turns up regularly to get his arse kicked" trophy.

Cheers

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