Sportsmanship is a touchy subject. If scores are handled incorrectly, they can become a way to punish an opponent you didn't like or who beat you (sore loser much?) and really mess things up. I've seen it done as a score in addition to the game score, where you would choose from 0 to 3 points to award on sportsmanship, and that factored into tournament score. Never worked out well.

If you want to encourage good sportsmanship, it would probably work best as a check box on the results sheet - check if you felt your opponent was a particularly good sport or extremely fun to play against. It assumes everyone is generally going to be a good sport and give a chance to call out those who went above and beyond while preventing sore losers from using it for revenge. At the end, the player with the most checks (votes) could get the award.

The best strategy would be to always give your opponent a zero. They're all just competing with you, why give them any points? Maybe enough people will be stupid enough to give you the most points?

People will also use these in order to discriminate. I'm sure as hell not giving any filthy Super Dash players a 3.

There are certain players that will power game anything. Me and a friend started doing it for Dixit (his wife was PISSED), look at that dive in the last meter of that race at the Olympics. I played 3 out of 6 Swiss rounds at a regionals and made top 16. Once I was playing Uno with a friend that insisted on some dumb house rule that had reverse cards stacking their multipliers and I saved up a bunch of them and hit her with 16 or 32 cards. She was mad because she didn't think wild cards counted for this. I was insistent on this and she was angry almost to the point of tears and I kept on going because she was being unreasonable and it was funny.

I used to be a friend with someone, and we'd play Smash Brothers together (specifically the Gamecube version). He would constantly berate me for using the C-Stick and spamming certain moves over and over. On Gamecube controllers there are two analog sticks, the second one is yellow and called the C-Stick. Instead of having to do a simple button and first analog stick combination to do your powerful moves, one could simply flick the C-Stick and do them that way. One day I decided to do it continually, make a point of doing it, and started egging my friend on. So he jumped me and his mom had to pull us apart haha.

I have zero respect for fly casuals, you all share this attitude and it's funny to watch you get huffy.

At no Point did you use the term "Hugbox".

I am disappointed.

Way too easy to abuse. I think most people would write down there friends and if you beat them there would be no way they'd vote for you.

Wow, you must have a low opinion of "most people". I hope it's not justified.

You should create a system that can't be abused, not create one that blatantly can be abused and just hope that someone won't.

This is why cards like Palpatine should be banned instead of just calling me a hypocrite for using Palpatine. Hate the game, not the player.

You have to assume that players are going to ID, play top tier nubstomper lists, and other NPE things.

Way too easy to abuse. I think most people would write down there friends and if you beat them there would be no way they'd vote for you.

Wow, you must have a low opinion of "most people". I hope it's not justified.

You should create a system that can't be abused, not create one that blatantly can be abused and just hope that someone won't.

This is why cards like Palpatine should be banned instead of just calling me a hypocrite for using Palpatine. Hate the game, not the player.

You have to assume that players are going to ID, play top tier nubstomper lists, and other NPE things.

Maybe you should, all I'm saying is I hope he's wrong and most people wouldn't do that. I find the thought that I'm playing with people who are only behaving decently because they're being forced to makes it less enjoyable.

There's no reason you can't hate both the game and the player you know. Unless you consider starting down the dark path a reason not to do it...

Sportsmanship is a touchy subject. If scores are handled incorrectly, they can become a way to punish an opponent you didn't like or who beat you (sore loser much?) and really mess things up. I've seen it done as a score in addition to the game score, where you would choose from 0 to 3 points to award on sportsmanship, and that factored into tournament score. Never worked out well.

If you want to encourage good sportsmanship, it would probably work best as a check box on the results sheet - check if you felt your opponent was a particularly good sport or extremely fun to play against. It assumes everyone is generally going to be a good sport and give a chance to call out those who went above and beyond while preventing sore losers from using it for revenge. At the end, the player with the most checks (votes) could get the award.

The best strategy would be to always give your opponent a zero. They're all just competing with you, why give them any points? Maybe enough people will be stupid enough to give you the most points?

People will also use these in order to discriminate. I'm sure as hell not giving any filthy Super Dash players a 3.

There are certain players that will power game anything. Me and a friend started doing it for Dixit (his wife was PISSED), look at that dive in the last meter of that race at the Olympics. I played 3 out of 6 Swiss rounds at a regionals and made top 16. Once I was playing Uno with a friend that insisted on some dumb house rule that had reverse cards stacking their multipliers and I saved up a bunch of them and hit her with 16 or 32 cards. She was mad because she didn't think wild cards counted for this. I was insistent on this and she was angry almost to the point of tears and I kept on going because she was being unreasonable and it was funny.

I used to be a friend with someone, and we'd play Smash Brothers together (specifically the Gamecube version). He would constantly berate me for using the C-Stick and spamming certain moves over and over. On Gamecube controllers there are two analog sticks, the second one is yellow and called the C-Stick. Instead of having to do a simple button and first analog stick combination to do your powerful moves, one could simply flick the C-Stick and do them that way. One day I decided to do it continually, make a point of doing it, and started egging my friend on. So he jumped me and his mom had to pull us apart haha.

I have zero respect for fly casuals, you all share this attitude and it's funny to watch you get huffy.

I totally disagree with you but your posts are extremely entertaining to read.

Way too easy to abuse. I think most people would write down there friends and if you beat them there would be no way they'd vote for you.

Wow, you must have a low opinion of "most people". I hope it's not justified.

You should create a system that can't be abused, not create one that blatantly can be abused and just hope that someone won't.

This is why cards like Palpatine should be banned instead of just calling me a hypocrite for using Palpatine. Hate the game, not the player.

You have to assume that players are going to ID, play top tier nubstomper lists, and other NPE things.

Maybe you should, all I'm saying is I hope he's wrong and most people wouldn't do that. I find the thought that I'm playing with people who are only behaving decently because they're being forced to makes it less enjoyable.

There's no reason you can't hate both the game and the player you know. Unless you consider starting down the dark path a reason not to do it...

People would and have.

Sportsmanship is a touchy subject. If scores are handled incorrectly, they can become a way to punish an opponent you didn't like or who beat you (sore loser much?) and really mess things up. I've seen it done as a score in addition to the game score, where you would choose from 0 to 3 points to award on sportsmanship, and that factored into tournament score. Never worked out well.

If you want to encourage good sportsmanship, it would probably work best as a check box on the results sheet - check if you felt your opponent was a particularly good sport or extremely fun to play against. It assumes everyone is generally going to be a good sport and give a chance to call out those who went above and beyond while preventing sore losers from using it for revenge. At the end, the player with the most checks (votes) could get the award.

The best strategy would be to always give your opponent a zero. They're all just competing with you, why give them any points? Maybe enough people will be stupid enough to give you the most points?

People will also use these in order to discriminate. I'm sure as hell not giving any filthy Super Dash players a 3.

There are certain players that will power game anything. Me and a friend started doing it for Dixit (his wife was PISSED), look at that dive in the last meter of that race at the Olympics. I played 3 out of 6 Swiss rounds at a regionals and made top 16. Once I was playing Uno with a friend that insisted on some dumb house rule that had reverse cards stacking their multipliers and I saved up a bunch of them and hit her with 16 or 32 cards. She was mad because she didn't think wild cards counted for this. I was insistent on this and she was angry almost to the point of tears and I kept on going because she was being unreasonable and it was funny.

I used to be a friend with someone, and we'd play Smash Brothers together (specifically the Gamecube version). He would constantly berate me for using the C-Stick and spamming certain moves over and over. On Gamecube controllers there are two analog sticks, the second one is yellow and called the C-Stick. Instead of having to do a simple button and first analog stick combination to do your powerful moves, one could simply flick the C-Stick and do them that way. One day I decided to do it continually, make a point of doing it, and started egging my friend on. So he jumped me and his mom had to pull us apart haha.

I have zero respect for fly casuals, you all share this attitude and it's funny to watch you get huffy.

I totally disagree with you but your posts are extremely entertaining to read.

Ugh, if you disagree with him don't encourage him.

People would and have.

You have figures?

A sprortsmanship award could be handled completely separate from the regular scores. t could be as simple as an extra promo card for the person with the highest sportsmanshp score at the end of the day. tThe score doesnt even have to go towards any of the actual MOV or other scoring of the tournament. It would be extremely easy to include.

A sprortsmanship award could be handled completely separate from the regular scores. t could be as simple as an extra promo card for the person with the highest sportsmanshp score at the end of the day. tThe score doesnt even have to go towards any of the actual MOV or other scoring of the tournament. It would be extremely easy to include.

Yeah it would.

Should the voting be anonymous though? If it's not, that would put people off voting for their mates (and if they did and people thought it wasn't genuine they could be shunned). On the other hand, people might be embarrassed to nominate people publicly?

Does this forum need a new sub for the players that don't understand or reject Fly Casual and NON-tournament game play? I think so.

Then all the ultra super duper awesome winners and gather and snicker at the losers.

I don't really care what the prizes are or how they should be awarded. I go to tournaments to get in a solid 3+ games in one single day. Prizes are OK- I've done pretty good.. I sell my Alt art pilot cards to buy more expansions/paints. I keep the acrylics because cardboard bends.

My opinion: the only winners in this game are the ones that aren't stuck up a-holes telling everyone they must suck if they don't win a match or go around saying "hmm, Interesting" all day, in response to other players' squad builds, chosen maneuvers or actions... when they're actually thinking "that's stupid/unwise". The only losers are the ones that put the game in the closet and stop playing all together.

I think it is a good idea but I found in my days of playing Mechwarrior clix it often just became a popularity award or a we feel bad for that player award.

Why should people who lose at games be given prizes?

Stop sucking. Not everyone gets a trophy.

Some of us also don't care about trophies. As I've noted a few times on these boards, alt art cards or acrylic templates aren't such a big deal as to be a d*ck over them. That said, given your admissions all over the boards to playing whatever is the go-to meta list (Palp Aces, U-boats, etc), I don't think you have any room to tell anyone how much they "suck" simply because they don't win.

Who earns more respect? The person who flies the same dominant list as everyone else and places well, or the person who uses a little imagination to create their own list and plays it well, even if they lose?

I don't think participation trophies are the way to go, but I think it bears notation that comments like yours represent the kind of attitude that can easily shrink the competitive base of this game, simply because you seem to price yourself in being rude and condescending to anyone who doesn't share your WAAC mentality. If the demeanor you present on these boards is also how you present yourself in real games, I would find a game with you more aggravating than fun, which defeats the point of any GAME.

Now, as I refuse to be part of a flame war, I'll excuse myself from the discussion. I've made my point and see no need to take it any further.

If you haven't already put him on your block list. Many of us have at this point. Don't feed the troll.

Why should people who lose at games be given prizes?

Stop sucking. Not everyone gets a trophy.

Some of us also don't care about trophies. As I've noted a few times on these boards, alt art cards or acrylic templates aren't such a big deal as to be a d*ck over them. That said, given your admissions all over the boards to playing whatever is the go-to meta list (Palp Aces, U-boats, etc), I don't think you have any room to tell anyone how much they "suck" simply because they don't win.

Who earns more respect? The person who flies the same dominant list as everyone else and places well, or the person who uses a little imagination to create their own list and plays it well, even if they lose?

I don't think participation trophies are the way to go, but I think it bears notation that comments like yours represent the kind of attitude that can easily shrink the competitive base of this game, simply because you seem to price yourself in being rude and condescending to anyone who doesn't share your WAAC mentality. If the demeanor you present on these boards is also how you present yourself in real games, I would find a game with you more aggravating than fun, which defeats the point of any GAME.

Now, as I refuse to be part of a flame war, I'll excuse myself from the discussion. I've made my point and see no need to take it any further.

If you haven't already put him on your block list. Many of us have at this point. Don't feed the troll.

Yes, let me spread my poisonous rhetoric without resistance. Do it, block me.

Sportsmanship is a touchy subject. If scores are handled incorrectly, they can become a way to punish an opponent you didn't like or who beat you (sore loser much?) and really mess things up. I've seen it done as a score in addition to the game score, where you would choose from 0 to 3 points to award on sportsmanship, and that factored into tournament score. Never worked out well.

If you want to encourage good sportsmanship, it would probably work best as a check box on the results sheet - check if you felt your opponent was a particularly good sport or extremely fun to play against. It assumes everyone is generally going to be a good sport and give a chance to call out those who went above and beyond while preventing sore losers from using it for revenge. At the end, the player with the most checks (votes) could get the award.

The best strategy would be to always give your opponent a zero. They're all just competing with you, why give them any points? Maybe enough people will be stupid enough to give you the most points?

People will also use these in order to discriminate. I'm sure as hell not giving any filthy Super Dash players a 3.

There are certain players that will power game anything. Me and a friend started doing it for Dixit (his wife was PISSED), look at that dive in the last meter of that race at the Olympics. I played 3 out of 6 Swiss rounds at a regionals and made top 16. Once I was playing Uno with a friend that insisted on some dumb house rule that had reverse cards stacking their multipliers and I saved up a bunch of them and hit her with 16 or 32 cards. She was mad because she didn't think wild cards counted for this. I was insistent on this and she was angry almost to the point of tears and I kept on going because she was being unreasonable and it was funny.

I used to be a friend with someone, and we'd play Smash Brothers together (specifically the Gamecube version). He would constantly berate me for using the C-Stick and spamming certain moves over and over. On Gamecube controllers there are two analog sticks, the second one is yellow and called the C-Stick. Instead of having to do a simple button and first analog stick combination to do your powerful moves, one could simply flick the C-Stick and do them that way. One day I decided to do it continually, make a point of doing it, and started egging my friend on. So he jumped me and his mom had to pull us apart haha.

I have zero respect for fly casuals, you all share this attitude and it's funny to watch you get huffy.

But seriously, rewarding those with genuine gamesmanship, who show up and play with respect for the rules and their opponent, even if they lose, who go out of their way to help insure that every game is a positive experience?

This is not a bad thing. I am for it if it can be implemented without abuse, and those who deserve it are recognized.

One way is to make it so you only can vote for a person you played. Each participant gets a slip of paper with opponents name. You mark Yes or No for Sportsmantship. Yes goes in a hat. No gets thrown away. End of tourney, you draw from the Yes hat a random name. That person gets the sportsmanship prize. So, better sportsmanship, more chances for prize. Be a jerk, no entries for prize. No math involved, so it's easy for TO's. If buddies vote for each other, it doesnt matter as its a random drawing and a lone warrior who is cool gets just as many slips as buddies voting for each other.

Really though, jerks are going to be jerks. Competition doesnt make character, it reveals it. Sportsmanship awards arent going to make people be nice, just reward the nice people. So, kind of a waste, but Im all for it cause I am a "Fly Casual" player and prizes are always nice.

Ok time out how the hell do you powergame ******* dixit?

It took para 8 posts to call us all bad and filthy casuals.

That's an Academy record!

double post -- whoops

Probably should give a cleanliness award, too. Hand out bars of soap shaped like challenge coins and sample cologne packets shaped like acrylic tokens.

And here I thought great unclean ones were only in 40k and fantasy...

Sportmanship awards are like painting awards. It's cool if it is something a local TO wants to do but it is far too subjective to be something pushed by FFG.

Page 1 wasn't too bad but page 2 of this thread was certainly worth skipping.

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If you want to encourage good sportsmanship, it would probably work best as a check box on the results sheet - check if you felt your opponent was a particularly good sport or extremely fun to play against. It assumes everyone is generally going to be a good sport and give a chance to call out those who went above and beyond while preventing sore losers from using it for revenge. At the end, the player with the most checks (votes) could get the award.

IF there was going to be a sportsmanship award it shouldn't be tied to tournament performance at all and as mentioned here should probably be a possitive thing only. While I almost like this concept it runs smack into two types of people who will totally screw up the system: those who think almost everyone is great and thus marks that way and those who wouldn't give another person the time of day even if they know it and lose nothing by giving it. If these two meet in what could be considered a "sportsmanship neutral" game the free respect guy gives the other a good mark for sportsmanship yet they other guy doesn't even consider giving the other guy that point. Now who is ahead in the voting? At the end of the day not giving any credit for your opponent's good sportsmanship is obviously the way to get ahead especially when you're bound to run into someone who gives it freely.

Fly casuals dead brah, the Roanoke 8 killed it off.

No, the outrageous reaction to that event's outcome did.

Oh sure let's all get participation trophy's too.

Are participation prizes not already a thing? My store tournaments hand out acrylic tokens for participating (just started recently and I've got acrylic stress and ion tokens). Also got alt art Veteran Instincts and Predator for participating.

And here I thought great unclean ones were only in 40k and fantasy...

Nurgle's influence stretches beyond the grimdark future... it also goes back to a time long ago in a galaxy far, far away....