Shouldn't the firespray be an oversized ship on a small base anyway (ala G1A, Kwing, etc) It never quite looked right being as big as the falcon.

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

I'm with you except for the part where I want a Sentinel-class shuttle.

I suspect that if FFG had realized they would create the Scum faction, the Firespray would never have been Imp in the first place.

Shouldn't the firespray be an oversized ship on a small base anyway (ala G1A, Kwing, etc) It never quite looked right being as big as the falcon.

I've heard this before, I don't understand it. Do you mean the model doesn't appear big enough to warrant a large base, or the model appears too big? Seems fine to me, personally.

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

I'm with you except for the part where I want a Sentinel-class shuttle.

I suspect that if FFG had realized they would create the Scum faction, the Firespray would never have been Imp in the first place.

I'm sure they wouldn't, but they did, so I can understand people wishing to use it, and wishing it was good.

I have always said that if they made a title card for the firespray that said.. Ship gains boost and can use the speed 2 maneuver template when boosting.

I think it would put all the Firespray ships back in the fight.

Shouldn't the firespray be an oversized ship on a small base anyway (ala G1A, Kwing, etc) It never quite looked right being as big as the falcon.

it never did.

but FFG actively refused any more base sizes for ships, although we already have 3 pretenders for 1x2 base and a couple "in between the small and large" that could benefit from slightly smaller base.

buuuuut not gonna happen. we're more likely to see them making ordnance dice than that

I wonder if PTL Aces die down, will this ship be better? If Jousters become a thing again, does this have the right tools with a few new upgrades?

Oh....this ship totally deserves to get Illicits. I mean, if the Falcon and Outrider can get it....why not Slave 1? I think that would help it.

not everything (in fact, very few things) are held back by imp aces

some ships just suck in general

imp sprays are among them, though the generic isn't too badly off

until you run him into crackswarms and torpscouts and defenders, aka the real jousters, and they come up severely lacking

not everything (in fact, very few things) are held back by imp aces

some ships just suck in general

imp sprays are among them, though the generic isn't too badly off

until you run him into crackswarms and torpscouts and defenders, aka the real jousters, and they come up severely lacking

Shouldn't the firespray be an oversized ship on a small base anyway (ala G1A, Kwing, etc) It never quite looked right being as big as the falcon.

it never did.

but FFG actively refused any more base sizes for ships, although we already have 3 pretenders for 1x2 base and a couple "in between the small and large" that could benefit from slightly smaller base.

buuuuut not gonna happen. we're more likely to see them making ordnance dice than that

Yes, a medium base for ships like the ARC-170 would be good, but I'd also argue for a large+ base for ships like the Ghost and Decimator.

I still don't think the Firespray looks wrong on a large base though.

Firespray isn't the worst of the worst, is just needs a little something. The dial and the arcs are a little on the awkward side. System slot, more illicit slots, extra crew slot, cheap access to barrel roll, ability to fire a cannon out the rear arc (that last one probably won't save the ship, but it'd be nice)...so many ways to make it solid, now we just have to wait for FFG to feel the need to implement one of them and hope that it's a good one.

I was pretty surprised Smuggling Compartments weren't designed for Imp Firesprays too.

My dream would be if Smuggling Compartments included the Firespray and that Vectored Thrusters had said "Small Ships and Firespray Only". They were already printing those cards, if they'd just added a little more text, then Boba could be cruising around with 2 illicit slots and a 2pt Barrel Roll instead of a 4pt Boost, and I think it'd have been the little extra push that'd have got him into competitive lists at final tables.

Firespray dial is awkward enough that it would probably love to use the SLAM illicit upgrade about once per game, but not if the ship only gets a single illicit slot. Being able to pack away one emergency SLAM, a cheap barrel roll and some Glitterstim...blarg, I'm salivating over what could have been.

Give the Imperial Firesprays access to Illicit and all 'Scum only' upgrades.

They ARE hired scum.

I was pretty surprised Smuggling Compartments weren't designed for Imp Firesprays too.

My dream would be if Smuggling Compartments included the Firespray and that Vectored Thrusters had said "Small Ships and Firespray Only". They were already printing those cards, if they'd just added a little more text, then Boba could be cruising around with 2 illicit slots and a 2pt Barrel Roll instead of a 4pt Boost, and I think it'd have been the little extra push that'd have got him into competitive lists at final tables.

Firespray dial is awkward enough that it would probably love to use the SLAM illicit upgrade about once per game, but not if the ship only gets a single illicit slot. Being able to pack away one emergency SLAM, a cheap barrel roll and some Glitterstim...blarg, I'm salivating over what could have been.

or slap almost any "fix" title or mod

charidan? AW YES!

double ept? AW YES!

double mod? Come here, TLT spam, taste the rainbow Autothrusties!

doubletap? definitely!

free evade token for going fast and a discount? wrap a couple!

goddamn sensor slot at a discount and a super-unique goodie? *salivates*

a mod with extra crew? Daym, it likes it more than the original B-wing!

aanything would make it right, but nope, let's give it a title with extra bomb slots!

Nah, the Firespray has found its scummy home. I rather get a large base combat ship for Imps. Not a shuttle to ferry someone around, not something with a easy peasy turret, but a brutal aggressor kind of deal.

you mean like the aggressor which does its name better

oh you saidi mps

you mean like the defender which is just better

How about we take a leaf from Battlefront:

Slave - 1 Title - 0 points

Your ship gains either the illicit, systems or tech slot.

New System Upgrade:

Unique Fire Spray-31 Only - Systems Jammer: 6 points - You may not be declared the target of a secondary weapon attack.

Now it stands up against TLT, Jumps and /D Defenders. Only issue I foresee however is that it outright ruins the Outrider.

Nah, the Firespray has found its scummy home. I rather get a large base combat ship for Imps. Not a shuttle to ferry someone around, not something with a easy peasy turret, but a brutal aggressor kind of deal.

you mean like the aggressor which does its name better

oh you saidi mps

you mean like the defender which is just better

well, SF if you want a more direct parralel

specifically, Backdraft gives you all the punch (and more) of a firespray at 1/4th the base size and at PS 9 (VI and FCS) with barrel roll for cheaper

you just lose some health

I'm gonna throw my vote in with "give it an Illicit slot", I think via a unique title.

The Rebels get access to Illicits through Sabine's Masterpiece, now. It would be nice to have at least one Imperial ship that also has access to those toys while keeping it limited like the rebels access is. So no BMST spam, but some more options.

BMST?

The illicit slot on imp firespray will do nothing to help.

Even the scum variation is lacking when you compare it to other options, thou it is still slightly better off.

What the imperial firespray needs is a one turn, maybe give you an upgrade that instead of doing a 1 bank, when you reveal a 1 bank, you may do a turn instead.

Another department the imp firespray needs help with is actions. Something that will let it take a free evade action, or assign an evade token. Their dial sucks for greens so ptl is never a good option. Maybe a mod, or crew.

Rerelease pilots for imps. They have released Marek in defender, and Poe, and soon Han and chewy in different ships. Imperial Fett sucks and should be revised, and have a new generic

BMST?

Imp FS?

More like BDSM >_>

S&V one isn't a top choice and Imp one is plainly terrible

Nah, it needs to be able to take Rebel Captive without using up its crew slot. Add a second crew slot with a discount on the equipped crew card. Problem solved

BMST?

Imp FS?

More like BDSM >_>

S&V one isn't a top choice and Imp one is plainly terrible

I meant "what's BMST"?

Black market slicer tools

BMST?

Imp FS?

More like BDSM >_>

S&V one isn't a top choice and Imp one is plainly terrible

I meant "what's BMST"?

Black market slicing tools

Action: DERP an enemy with stress at range 1-2

takes stress token away, rolls a red die.

ought to end the reign of PTL

BMST?

Imp FS?

More like BDSM >_>

S&V one isn't a top choice and Imp one is plainly terrible

I meant "what's BMST"?

Black market slicing tools

Action: DERP an enemy with stress at range 1-2

takes stress token away, rolls a red die.

ought to end the reign of PTL

I don't think it will stop the reign of PTL, I anticipate people will just be more cautious about when to use PTL. It is not a guarantee to hit and it also takes an action, which mean no modified attack dice (or no attack at all if they arcdodged). Hopefully it does bring back some of the jousting ships and other EPT.