It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

Seriously this is some dumbest comments here.

It doesn't matter if you think the firespray should be scum only. Fact of the matter is its available for both factions, and if a ship has been designed for a faction, you cannot ignore it just because it's also available in another faction.

Good for you, you like the scum variation, but imperial players have the right to have a ship that was released for imperial to be more playable. Like it or not it's out for both factions therefore if it's lacking for one side more than the other than it should have an update of some sort.

What the firespray needs is more greens, a one turn, a toost or barrel roll, and possibly a way for better actions. Of coarse not all at once.

What I'd like to see is a revised bona Fett for imperial. Even back in wave 3 I was very disappointed with his ability, and since Poe got a revised card, so should others

Also fluff-wise the only time we saw Boba Fett flying it in a canon source was when he was contracting for the Empire.

Although really even then he wasn't exactly contracting, more they had a deal where he gets something and they get something, it wasn't like they told him where to go and what to do.

I'd be happy to see two or three Firespray-31 Only modifications that give the kind of buffs and options to that ship the x7 and Tie D titles gave to defenders. Alternatively, they could remake the Slave 1 title like they're doing with the Millennium Falcon.

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

Seriously this is some dumbest comments here.

It doesn't matter if you think the firespray should be scum only. Fact of the matter is its available for both factions, and if a ship has been designed for a faction, you cannot ignore it just because it's also available in another faction.

Good for you, you like the scum variation, but imperial players have the right to have a ship that was released for imperial to be more playable. Like it or not it's out for both factions therefore if it's lacking for one side more than the other than it should have an update of some sort.

What the firespray needs is more greens, a one turn, a toost or barrel roll, and possibly a way for better actions. Of coarse not all at once.

What I'd like to see is a revised bona Fett for imperial. Even back in wave 3 I was very disappointed with his ability, and since Poe got a revised card, so should others

Also fluff-wise the only time we saw Boba Fett flying it in a canon source was when he was contracting for the Empire.

Although really even then he wasn't exactly contracting, more they had a deal where he gets something and they get something, it wasn't like they told him where to go and what to do.

Still doesnt change the fact that it was released for imperial.

Maybe if scum was introduce earlier we wouldn't have gotten the firespray for imperials, but we do. People bought it as an option to use for imperials, and I hate it when I see comments like "well it's more a scum ship so **** the imperial version of it"

That's a poor attitude imo, because I believe if ffg released a ship for a faction it still needs to be an option for that faction. Regardless if it's available for another faction, even if it's better suited for that faction.

If every faction has 14 ships per side to choose from, and the mentality is well this ship shouldn't be updated and it becomes obsolete for faction x, it almost makes that faction down a ship.

At least that's how I see it. Since one variation is better than the other. I admit the imperial firespray suck compared to scum. Their pilot abilities are not as good, and the options for upgrades are better for scum. There is no reason why the imperial firespray can't get something that'll make it see more play. As it is now it kind of sucks balls, and having more options for any faction is good for the game

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

Seriously this is some dumbest comments here.

It doesn't matter if you think the firespray should be scum only. Fact of the matter is its available for both factions, and if a ship has been designed for a faction, you cannot ignore it just because it's also available in another faction.

Good for you, you like the scum variation, but imperial players have the right to have a ship that was released for imperial to be more playable. Like it or not it's out for both factions therefore if it's lacking for one side more than the other than it should have an update of some sort.

What the firespray needs is more greens, a one turn, a toost or barrel roll, and possibly a way for better actions. Of coarse not all at once.

What I'd like to see is a revised bona Fett for imperial. Even back in wave 3 I was very disappointed with his ability, and since Poe got a revised card, so should others

Also fluff-wise the only time we saw Boba Fett flying it in a canon source was when he was contracting for the Empire.

Although really even then he wasn't exactly contracting, more they had a deal where he gets something and they get something, it wasn't like they told him where to go and what to do.

That's true

Still doesnt change the fact that it was released for imperial.

Maybe if scum was introduce earlier we wouldn't have gotten the firespray for imperials, but we do. People bought it as an option to use for imperials, and I hate it when I see comments like "well it's more a scum ship so **** the imperial version of it"

That's a poor attitude imo, because I believe if ffg released a ship for a faction it still needs to be an option for that faction. Regardless if it's available for another faction, even if it's better suited for that faction.

If every faction has 14 ships per side to choose from, and the mentality is well this ship shouldn't be updated and it becomes obsolete for faction x, it almost makes that faction down a ship.

At least that's how I see it. Since one variation is better than the other. I admit the imperial firespray suck compared to scum. Their pilot abilities are not as good, and the options for upgrades are better for scum. There is no reason why the imperial firespray can't get something that'll make it see more play. As it is now it kind of sucks balls, and having more options for any faction is good for the game

Kinda hostile responses, no?

I don't think parity in the number of available ships matters. TIE Defenders are almost two different ships when you look at their new titles, so counting individual types of ships as some kind of singular play style is not a very accurate comparison. So what if a faction is one ship down in number of types? There's still tons of variety available without counting the reappropriated Firespray.

Do I actively want them to NOT buff the Imperial Firespray? No, I think it would be cool for the fixes to be "Firespray-31 Only," meaning it would work for both factions. That said, I feel like it's been dropped from FFG's design considerations, and that doesn't bother me because he's a bounty hunter and there's a faction dedicated to representing them.

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

Seriously this is some dumbest comments here.

It doesn't matter if you think the firespray should be scum only. Fact of the matter is its available for both factions, and if a ship has been designed for a faction, you cannot ignore it just because it's also available in another faction.

Good for you, you like the scum variation, but imperial players have the right to have a ship that was released for imperial to be more playable. Like it or not it's out for both factions therefore if it's lacking for one side more than the other than it should have an update of some sort.

What the firespray needs is more greens, a one turn, a toost or barrel roll, and possibly a way for better actions. Of coarse not all at once.

What I'd like to see is a revised bona Fett for imperial. Even back in wave 3 I was very disappointed with his ability, and since Poe got a revised card, so should others

Also fluff-wise the only time we saw Boba Fett flying it in a canon source was when he was contracting for the Empire.

Although really even then he wasn't exactly contracting, more they had a deal where he gets something and they get something, it wasn't like they told him where to go and what to do.

That's true

Still doesnt change the fact that it was released for imperial.

Maybe if scum was introduce earlier we wouldn't have gotten the firespray for imperials, but we do. People bought it as an option to use for imperials, and I hate it when I see comments like "well it's more a scum ship so **** the imperial version of it"

That's a poor attitude imo, because I believe if ffg released a ship for a faction it still needs to be an option for that faction. Regardless if it's available for another faction, even if it's better suited for that faction.

If every faction has 14 ships per side to choose from, and the mentality is well this ship shouldn't be updated and it becomes obsolete for faction x, it almost makes that faction down a ship.

At least that's how I see it. Since one variation is better than the other. I admit the imperial firespray suck compared to scum. Their pilot abilities are not as good, and the options for upgrades are better for scum. There is no reason why the imperial firespray can't get something that'll make it see more play. As it is now it kind of sucks balls, and having more options for any faction is good for the game

Yeah, I agree with you.

Ah, I was going to say something earlier and forgot what it was. Just remembered - Imperial is the only way you can have three Firesprays (in 100pts), and three Firesprays is objectively better than two Firesprays, due to moar Firespray.

Something that says get rid of your canon/bomb slot (or both), add a crew slot and subtract 3 pnts from the cost of an equipped crew card?

It would be cool if it was better, but it was never really an Imperial ship to begin with. Scum can have it, give us Imperials a new large based ship instead ok? And enough with the shuttles for a while too...

Seriously this is some dumbest comments here.

It doesn't matter if you think the firespray should be scum only. Fact of the matter is its available for both factions, and if a ship has been designed for a faction, you cannot ignore it just because it's also available in another faction.

Good for you, you like the scum variation, but imperial players have the right to have a ship that was released for imperial to be more playable. Like it or not it's out for both factions therefore if it's lacking for one side more than the other than it should have an update of some sort.

What the firespray needs is more greens, a one turn, a toost or barrel roll, and possibly a way for better actions. Of coarse not all at once.

What I'd like to see is a revised bona Fett for imperial. Even back in wave 3 I was very disappointed with his ability, and since Poe got a revised card, so should others

Also fluff-wise the only time we saw Boba Fett flying it in a canon source was when he was contracting for the Empire.

Although really even then he wasn't exactly contracting, more they had a deal where he gets something and they get something, it wasn't like they told him where to go and what to do.

That's true

Still doesnt change the fact that it was released for imperial.

Maybe if scum was introduce earlier we wouldn't have gotten the firespray for imperials, but we do. People bought it as an option to use for imperials, and I hate it when I see comments like "well it's more a scum ship so **** the imperial version of it"

That's a poor attitude imo, because I believe if ffg released a ship for a faction it still needs to be an option for that faction. Regardless if it's available for another faction, even if it's better suited for that faction.

If every faction has 14 ships per side to choose from, and the mentality is well this ship shouldn't be updated and it becomes obsolete for faction x, it almost makes that faction down a ship.

At least that's how I see it. Since one variation is better than the other. I admit the imperial firespray suck compared to scum. Their pilot abilities are not as good, and the options for upgrades are better for scum. There is no reason why the imperial firespray can't get something that'll make it see more play. As it is now it kind of sucks balls, and having more options for any faction is good for the game

Kinda hostile responses, no?

I don't think parity in the number of available ships matters. TIE Defenders are almost two different ships when you look at their new titles, so counting individual types of ships as some kind of singular play type is not a very accurate comparison. So what if a faction is one ship down in number of types? There's still tons of variety available without counting the reappropriated Firespray.

I hate it when I see people make the comments that the imperial firespray doesn't need any update because it's a scum ship. No it's not a scum ship. It's an imperial and scum ship in the game ffg has designed, therefore if one variation becomes lacking then it too should have an update of some kind.

The firespray can also have a different role than the defender. I agree, in the current state of the game there is no reason to choose a firespray over the defender, but the firespray does have options the defender doesn't. It can take a crew, it can take bombs, and it has a bigger arc due to being on a large base

I just hate some of the mentality on here

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I also said it's my opinion about a faction being down a ship.

While the defender has two titles that gives it two different roles it's still just one ship

If all factions have 14 ships and two of the factions share the same ship, but one is obsolete and the other isn't, I just see it as that faction being down a ship. I know it's not really but when something gets discontinued and is obsolete and ffg decided to only update the other faction version of it, then I see that as that faction now having 13 ships.

That's my view, I'm not saying that's how it is

I would love the Firespray to be more competitive. As Slave I is so cool in the films with so many gadgets, it feels like that it makes it really expensive in X Wing as you pay to have all of the crew, cannon, munitions slots etc and then you have to pay even more to make use of them.

It does need to be brought up to it's cannon level....arguably it should be the best ship in the collection.

The firespray can also have a different role than the defender. I agree, in the current state of the game there is no reason to choose a firespray over the defenderT

Unless, you know, you have eyes!

I would love the Firespray to be more competitive. As Slave I is so cool in the films with so many gadgets, it feels like that it makes it really expensive in X Wing as you pay to have all of the crew, cannon, munitions slots etc and then you have to pay even more to make use of them.

It does need to be brought up to it's cannon level....arguably it should be the best ship in the collection.

What I want is it to be at least AS GOOD as the other bounty hunters. IG88, Dengar, Bossk, the crew of the shadow caster are all argueably better than slave 1. Boba is the only one with any real screen time and spoken lines. Come on ffg give the OG his due. Every large base scum ship is epically powerful in certain builds not poor Boba

Looking back in the early design of the game they didn't want to make it too powerful, but over time as they release new ships and pilots it's kind of sad how the most feared bounty hunter in the galaxy is worse than the other BH that he always outsmarted, and beats.

Maybe I'm being biased since boba is my favorite character, but I really don't like what they did with him.

I also said it's my opinion about a faction being down a ship.

While the defender has two titles that gives it two different roles it's still just one ship

If all factions have 14 ships and two of the factions share the same ship, but one is obsolete and the other isn't, I just see it as that faction being down a ship. I know it's not really but when something gets discontinued and is obsolete and ffg decided to only update the other faction version of it, then I see that as that faction now having 13 ships.

That's my view, I'm not saying that's how it is

What do you mean by "discontinued"? Scum Firespray did not get any update either since its initial release in the Most Wanted set. In fact, most of the ships never gets new pilot/title/modification, do you consider all of them obsolete and discontinued?

If FFG ever adds a new title or modification, that will update the Imperial Firesprays, not just the Scum ones.

It's not just the defender it's competing with, but the the aggressor as well.

Both hit harder and are harder to kill.

I also said it's my opinion about a faction being down a ship.

While the defender has two titles that gives it two different roles it's still just one ship

If all factions have 14 ships and two of the factions share the same ship, but one is obsolete and the other isn't, I just see it as that faction being down a ship. I know it's not really but when something gets discontinued and is obsolete and ffg decided to only update the other faction version of it, then I see that as that faction now having 13 ships.

That's my view, I'm not saying that's how it is

What do you mean by "discontinued"? Scum Firespray did not get any update either since its initial release in the Most Wanted set. In fact, most of the ships never gets new pilot/title/modification, do you consider all of them obsolete and discontinued?

If FFG ever adds a new title or modification, that will update the Imperial Firesprays, not just the Scum ones.

That if ffg decided to never update the imperial version, but updates the scum version. As for some people it's a scum ship and not an imperial ship.

No ship has been discontinued, but if people had it their way and never update the imperial version of the firespray, but keep updating the scum version because it "a scum ship" then the imperial version may as well be discontinued.

And another reason why I think it's a dumb response when people say "it belongs to scum, not empire" you cannot fly the scum version of the firespray without buying the imperial version. Therefore both should see updates

It's not just the defender it's competing with, but the the aggressor as well.

Both hit harder and are harder to kill.

As I mentioned in another thread, boba Fett with fearlessness, proton bombs, k4, countermeasures paired up with manaroo is not easy to kill.

This frees up his a tion to allow him to take the evade action paired up with two focuses helps reduce that dmg, get him into range 1 and pop countermeasures and with Fett rerolls he's a tough nut to crack, then drop a proton bomb and have manaroo come in firing missiles

It's worked quite well for me as of late, and I think fearlessness does help firespray some, but still not enough

Edit

Just want to add I don't think tailgunner is going to improve them much as well. That rear arc is nice, but on the large base you move farther away from combat, plus I like having k4 for that free target lock on the firespray. I haven't tried it yet, and it is tempting to give it a go. I could be wrong

As I mentioned in another thread, boba Fett with fearlessness, proton bombs, k4, countermeasures paired up with manaroo is not easy to kill.

This frees up his a tion to allow him to take the evade action paired up with two focuses helps reduce that dmg, get him into range 1 and pop countermeasures and with Fett rerolls he's a tough nut to crack, then drop a proton bomb and have manaroo come in firing missiles

Why does that Boba Fett have K4 Crew? Where's Dengar crew? 'Cause I can't think of a reason to use K4 over Dengar unless Dengar is already somewhere in the list.

Maybe a new movie will feature a Firespray

As I mentioned in another thread, boba Fett with fearlessness, proton bombs, k4, countermeasures paired up with manaroo is not easy to kill.

This frees up his a tion to allow him to take the evade action paired up with two focuses helps reduce that dmg, get him into range 1 and pop countermeasures and with Fett rerolls he's a tough nut to crack, then drop a proton bomb and have manaroo come in firing missiles

Why does that Boba Fett have K4 Crew? Where's Dengar crew? 'Cause I can't think of a reason to use K4 over Dengar unless Dengar is already somewhere in the list.

I like having the option to reroll all my dice vs 1 or 2 when I'm not at range 1 with fett

Because k4 gives me a target lock so long as I'm doin a green. Dengar only 1 or two rerolls depending on what I'm shooting at.

I like having the option to reroll all my dice vs 1 or 2 when I'm not at range 1 with fett

Sure, but those greens are about 25% of the dial, and the current meta will probably have you shooting at unique pilots more often than non-unique pilots, unless your local area is all crack swarms and U-boats.

The only time you'll be eligible to re-roll only a single die is if you're shooting a non-unique AND you're not in Range 1 of anything, which is probably fewer shots than not. In addition to that, if you're getting focus tokens from Manaroo, you probably simply won't need to re-roll that many red die, unless you're the kind of unlucky person who consistently rolls 3 blanks at a time.

I used to run a PtL Decimator with Ysanne Isard crew for the boost at the start of combat. Wasn't worth it. Using your whole dial is so much better than using a tiny green portion of it, imho.

Just my obnoxious two cents.

Because k4 gives me a target lock so long as I'm doin a green. Dengar only 1 or two rerolls depending on what I'm shooting at.

I like having the option to reroll all my dice vs 1 or 2 when I'm not at range 1 with fett

Sure, but those greens are about 25% of the dial, and the current meta will probably have you shooting at unique pilots more often than non-unique pilots, unless your local area is all crack swarms and U-boats.

The only time you'll be eligible to re-roll only a single die is if you're shooting a non-unique AND you're not in Range 1 of anything, which is probably fewer shots than not. In addition to that, if you're getting focus tokens from Manaroo, you probably simply won't need to re-roll that many red die, unless you're the kind of unlucky person who consistently rolls 3 blanks at a time.

I used to run a PtL Decimator with Ysanne Isard crew for the boost at the start of combat. Wasn't worth it. Using your whole dial is so much better than using a tiny green portion of it, imho.

Just my obnoxious two cents.

As I mentioned in another thread, boba Fett with fearlessness, proton bombs, k4, countermeasures paired up with manaroo is not easy to kill.

This frees up his a tion to allow him to take the evade action paired up with two focuses helps reduce that dmg, get him into range 1 and pop countermeasures and with Fett rerolls he's a tough nut to crack, then drop a proton bomb and have manaroo come in firing missiles

Why does that Boba Fett have K4 Crew? Where's Dengar crew? 'Cause I can't think of a reason to use K4 over Dengar unless Dengar is already somewhere in the list.

Because k4 gives me a target lock so long as I'm doin a green. Dengar only 1 or two rerolls depending on what I'm shooting at.

I like having the option to reroll all my dice vs 1 or 2 when I'm not at range 1 with fett

Actually, rerolling 3 dice is only a slightly better then rerolling 2. The expected number of hits/crits with 3 red dice is 1.5. If you add 1/2/3 rerolls, the expected hits increases to 1.94/2.18/2.25. The first reroll has the largest impact, the third one is almost negligible. And for the K4 you need a green move (you have only 4 on your dial) and the locked ship may not end up in your firing arc, meanwhile Dengar always works.

If you expect your opponent flying unique pilots, than Dengar is a much better choice than K4.

Dengar sounds good. Be better combined with Rec. Spec. or Tail Gunner or Rebel Captive.

SECOND CREW SLOT WTF

I want the imperial Firespray to focus on it´s function as a police patrol vehicle and add functionality to it such as instant ion tokens much like the Shadowcaster´s instant tractor beam.

I want the imperial Firespray to focus on it´s function as a police patrol vehicle and add functionality to it such as instant ion tokens much like the Shadowcaster´s instant tractor beam.

That's would be cool

To hell with the Imp Firespray. Just bring Krasis back to the Scum where he belongs.

To hell with the Imp Firespray. Just bring Krasis back to the Scum where he belongs.

(IncSe can't tell that's sarcasm)

As I mentioned in another thread, boba Fett with fearlessness, proton bombs, k4, countermeasures paired up with manaroo is not easy to kill.

This frees up his a tion to allow him to take the evade action paired up with two focuses helps reduce that dmg, get him into range 1 and pop countermeasures and with Fett rerolls he's a tough nut to crack, then drop a proton bomb and have manaroo come in firing missiles

Why does that Boba Fett have K4 Crew? Where's Dengar crew? 'Cause I can't think of a reason to use K4 over Dengar unless Dengar is already somewhere in the list.

Honestly, I can't think of a reason why'd you use any of them. Boba should never be out of R1 and there are so many great crew choices for the slot to be wasted on action-economy you already have.