So far... this is what I have for reprints:

+--------------------------+------------------+
| name | sets_released |
+--------------------------+------------------+
| The Art of Diplomacy | POTS,5KE |
| Kingsguard Squire | POTS,5KE |
| Blood for Blood | POTS,ACoS |
| Make an Example | POTS,WED |
| Parting Blow | POTS,5KE |
| Wars Are Won with Quills | POTS,ITE |
| Alliance | POTS,IAF,WE |
| Attack from the Sea | POTS,WE |
| Battle of Oxcross | POTS,5KE |
| Let My Porridge Fly | POTS,5KE |
| Threat from the North | POTS,IPS,IAF,WE |
| Joffrey Baratheon | POTS,ITE |
| Brienne of Tarth | POTS,ITE |
| Theon Greyjoy | POTS,ITE |
| Ser Arys Oakheart | POTS,ITE |
| The Hound | POTS,ITE |
| Taste for Blood | POTS,ASoN |
| Areo Hotah | POTS,ITE |
| Harmen Uller | POTS,ASoN |
| House Dayne Knight | POTS,ITLP,ACoS |
| House Dayne Skirmisher | POTS,ASoT |
| House Messenger | POTS,WED,ACoS |
| Lord Edric's Knight | POTS,WED |
| Orphan of the Greenblood | POTS,ITE |
| Paramour | POTS,VPS,VED |
| The Viper's Bannermen | POTS,ASoN |
| He Calls It Thinking | POTS,ASoN |
| Someone Always Tells | POTS,5KE |
| The Prince's Wrath | POTS,VED |
| Dornish Fiefdoms | POTS,WED,VPS,VED |
| Lord Doran's Chambers | POTS,ITE |
| Palace Fountains | POTS,ACoS |
| The Spear Tower | POTS,ITE |
| Water Gardens | POTS,ACoS |
| To the Spears! | POTS,ACoS |
| Summer Sea | POTS,Core,ITE |
| Denys Mallister | POTS,ASoN |
| Mag the Mighty | POTS,WED |
| Ser Jorah Mormont | POTS,ITE |
+--------------------------+------------------+

Sorry this is a direct pull from my database. But anyhow, yes there are a number of cards that are only different due to a crest or a trait change (such as red wedding,rusted sword or Formal Petition so be careful.

Bloodycelt, thanks for compiling this. I've used it to update the list of LCG cards that are exact reprints of CCG era cards on www.agotny.net. I've also now indicated in which LCG set a card was first reprinted.

Joffrey is not an exact reprint, you might want to remove him from the list.

Yup, Joffrey no longer has a noble crest. Very strange. I can't imagine it was a balance issue, which leads me to believe it was a typo, so to speak. Thought I doubt it's one that will be FAQ'd to fix. Sad day though. His ability is far less useful now.

Thanks, guys, I've fixed the page. If anyone spots anymore errors, please post or email them to me (see signature).

i had a look at the list and found a few more errors. here is a new list:

F1 The Red Viper - VED - reprint - changed
F2 Arianne Martell - ACOS - reprint - changed
F3 Doran Martell - - new card -
F4 Darkstar - - new card -
F5 Areo Hotah - ITE - reprint - slightly changed
F6 Sarella Sand - - new card -
F7 Ellaria Sand - WIN - reprint - changed
F8 Harmen Uller - ASON - reprint - changed
F9 Ser Arys Oakheart - ITE - reprint - slightly changed
F10 House Messenger - ACOS - reprint - slightly changed
F11 House Dayne Knight - ACOS - reprint - no changes
F12 Paramour - VED - reprint - no changes
F13 Lord Edric's Knight - WIN - reprint - no changes
F14 House Dayne Skirmisher - ASOT - reprint - slightly changed
F15 Orphan of the Greenblood - ITE - reprint - changed
F16 The Viper's Bannermen - ASON - reprint - slightly changed
F17 House Dayne Reserves - - new card -
F18 Taste for Blood - ASON - reprint - slightly changed
F19 Locked Away - - new card -
F20 Blood for Blood - ACOS - reprint - slightly changed + different artwork
F21 He Calls It Thinking - ASON - reprint - slightly changed
F22 The Prince's Wrath - VED - reprint - changed
F23 Someone Always Tells - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed + flavour text removed
F24 Scheming on the Sand - - new card -
F25 Red Vengeance - - new card -
F26 Dornish Fiefdoms - WIN/VED - reprint - slightly changed
F27 Lord Doran's Chambers - ITE - reprint - no changes
F28 Summer Sea - ITE - reprint - no changes
F29 Palace Fountains - ACOS - reprint - changed
F30 Water Garden - ACOS - reprint - slightly changed
F31 Dorne - - new card -
F32 The Old Palace - - new card -
F33 The Spear Tower - ITE - reprint - no changes
F34 Tower of the Sun - - new card -
F35 The Hound - ITE - reprint - no changes
F36 Joffrey Baratheon - ITE - reprint - changed
F37 Brienne of Tarth - ITE - reprint - no changes + different artwork
F38 Theon Greyjoy - ITE - reprint - slightly changed
F39 Ser Jorah Mormont - ITE - reprint - no changes
F40 Parting Blow - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed
F41 Wars Are Won with Quills - ITE - reprint - no changes
F42 Make an Example - WIN - reprint - slightly changed
F43 The Dragon's Tail - WES - reprint - changed
F44 Formal Petition - AFOD - reprint - changed
F45 Court Advisor - I&F - reprint - changed
F45 The Art of Diplomacy - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed
F47 Rusted Sword - ITE - reprint - changed
F48 Denys Mallister - ASON - reprint - slightly changed
F49 Mag the Mighty - WIN - reprint - slightly changed
F50 Kingsguard Squire - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed
F51 When I Woke... - - new card -
F52 Former Champion - - new card -
F53 A Pinch of Powder - - new card -
F54 Alliance - WES, I&F - reprint - no changes
F55 Attack from the Sea - WES - reprint - slightly changed
F56 Battle of Oxcross - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed
F57 Let My Porridge Fly - 5KE - reprint - slightly changed
F58 The Red Wedding - ITE - reprint - changed
F59 Threat from the North - WES, I&F - reprint - changed
F60 To the Spears! - ACOS - reprint - no changes

the list is an excel file. formation gets lost here. but i can send it via email if anybody is interested. just contact me at [email protected]

changed means some game relevant changes have been made.
slightly changed means a different wording (not game relevant) or just a single letter that has been changed.

thorondor said:

Note that the tournament rules make no distinction between "changed" and "slightly changed." Whether the change is "game relevant" or not, using an old version of a modified reprint is not legal in FFG-sanctioned events.

Just to clarify the text box has to be exactly the same. So looking at a couple of the "slightly changed" mentioned above, you can't use an old Palace Fountains because the word "lower" was changed to "reduce" or an old "Let My Porridge Fly!" because an "a" was changed for a "one?"

schrecklich said:

From the FAQ:

Some LCG cards are reprints of CCG era
cards. Can CCG versions of these cards be
used at LCG events?

CCG cards that have identical stats, icons,
and game text as the LCG version can be used
at an LCG event. If the stats, icons, or game
text have been updated for the LCG, the original
CCG card cannot be used.

So yes, even small changes like "reduce" from "lower" and "one" from "a" mean the old CCG version cannot be used at an FFG-sanctioned LCG event. Whatever you decide to do at a local level is up to your play group, of course.

so even a card like The Art of Diplomacy doesnt count as a reprint. the new version has "an power icon" (which is obviously a typo) instead of "a power icon".

then, "someone always tells" has lost the flavour text, so also this one is no reprint.

very strange ...

I think flavor text should not count towards 'modified' as its not really related or part of any "game text".

Lars said:

that makes sense. but since the apostroph was changed in the game text, its still not counted as a reprint. and there are many more cards with only one letter changed.

the text on many cards after Response or Any Phase started with a small letter, in the new version it starts with a capital.

1 per phase is in brackets now.

and a few more changes like that.

i have changed the list above accordingly.

as a result there are only 12 cards left as exact reprints (provided i didnt overlook anything):

F11 House Dayne Knight
F12 Paramour
F13 Lord Edric's Knight
F27 Lord Doran's Chambers
F28 Summer Sea
F33 The Spear Tower
F35 The Hound
F37 Brienne of Tarth
F39 Ser Jorah Mormont
F41 Wars Are Won with Quills
F54 Alliance
F60 To the Spears!

looks like i am the one nitpicking here, but i would like to avoid a situation like "hej, you are playing a card that has a capital A now instead of a small one. thats no reprint, so you are using an illegal card and are going to be DQed!"

honestly: with a situation like this, i would even prefer FFG saying no reprints are legal in any case.

the alternative could be, that FFG publishes an official reprint list.

thorondor said:

I agree there needs to be a bright line of some sort, but I think if reprints are allowed at all that it makes good sense to say that cards that have merely typographical style (e.g., using a capital letter instead of a lower case one) or typographical corrections (such as "a" replacing "an") where there is no doubt that the card means and plays exactly the same as a prior version in all game aspects are valid reprints. And I completely agree with Lars about flavor text, that's like the artwork on the card --it's pretty, but it's also irrelevant to the game. Changes that arguably are only for readability or consistent templating (e.g., "lower" to "reduce" and "a" to "one") are, in my opinion, borderline but I would treat them as not valid reprints otherwise you start down a slippery slope.

Perhaps the best "bright line" for what is and is not a valid reprint is an explicit list. I suspect it's not a high priority item for FFG, so I'll continue to update the one we have on agotny.net if people can keep helping me clean it up my druthers would be to have it reflect the above (differences in only typographical style and obvious errors and flavor text are disregarded), but I'm open to hearing what others think. And of course people can/should just use it as a starting point and expand/narrow based on your play group's tolerances.

My question is if FFG purposely makes the minor changes so that fewer reprints are useable or if they are changed for wording consistency or what exactly the deal is.

Why take the noble crest from Joff?

Why make these minor changes but basically reprint the old card? It's not like the old versions of these cards are broken or make huge problems in the LCG environment.

Sometimes it seems like another "F**k You!" to the older players. Or maybe I'm reading too much into the changes.

At this point anytime I go to a tournament outside of Claymont, I'm afraid to take reprints for fear that there is some minor change that will make my deck illegal. What's the point then in having reprints?

kpmccoy21 said:

Most of the minor wording changes tend to be in line with template norms that have shifted slightly with the LCG. Particularly in the King's Landing CPs, you can start noticing a difference - that seems geared toward clearer, board-game style language. For example, a change from "choose an attachment" to the number "choose 1 attachment" probably is a conscious change in template. The change from "lower" to "reduce" is likely conscious, too. (In the CCG days, just about everything said "lower," but players called them "reducers" - to the point where they were often surprised when they read the text and saw the word "lower." But from a clarity/game-play point of view, "reduce the cost" is probably better than "lower the cost" in order to make sure there is a clear distinction between "discounting" a cost and comparing stats for higher/lower values.)

So yeah, FFG probably is purposefully making these minor changes. What they are probably not doing is making these minor changes in order to purposefully make old versions unusable. Availability of the card through use of a CCG printing, particularly in light of the new 3x per pack announcement, probably doesn't cross their mind at all when choosing cards to reprint and adjusting their text. Making it easy for "older players" to supplement a card's availability by digging into their CCG collections is probably not a major, or even a significant minor, consideration when choosing which cards to put in an expansion set.

kpmccoy21 said:

That one very well could be an oversight. It is possible that they did not want him to be able to pay for his own effect, though.

kpmccoy21 said:

See above. I think it has more to do with consistency of template in the LCG than with any need to modify the actual game effect for the new environment.

kpmccoy21 said:

Yeah, I think you are reading way too much into the changes. It has nothing to do with older players one way or the other. They are neither trying to thumb their nose at the CCG era players, nor are they trying to placate them by reprinting "familiar" cards. Using reprinted cards is more about economy. Martell had a pretty well developed game identity, as did all the other Houses when the Core Set and KotS were in the development stages. Why reinvent the wheel by starting the entire game from scratch? Why make cards that are reminiscent of or based on CCG era cards when you can reprint the original? Minor updates to the wording are inevitable because the template has evolved over time - and because the "audience" for the LCG doesn't necessarily think like CCG players.

In my view, the policy of "identical" is really no different from a "no proxy" policy for sponsored events. The other thing is that I may know that the text on the CCG era card has no practical or significant impact on the game, but how does my opponent, who has been playing for 6 months instead of 6 years, know that? And do they really remember that there is no significant game difference between the 5KE and LCG versions of "Let My Porridge Fly," but there is a significant difference between the SoN and Core Set Bronn? People are saying they want a "bright line" as to which "reprints" are legal and which ones are not at sanctioned events, but "identical" seems like a pretty bright line to me.

all of what you are saying makes sense, ktom, but i am missing one thing: what about cards with very small changes?

for example:

someone always tells: the position of the apostroph has changed
dornish fiefdom: "kneel" starts witha a capital letter now (there are many with this change)
make an example: limit 1 per phase is in brackets now (there are a few more wit this change)

2 obvious misspellings:
Water Gardens > Water Garden, Attack from the Sea > Attack From the Sea

the line given by FFG is bright enough, however, i think all of this could be handled much better.

consequently i checked the reprints from kings of the Sea again and found, that there are also a lot of cards with such minor changes. i know, that some players had such cards in their decks at stahleck - according to a reprint list i have issued before the event allowing cards with those small changes.

i am sure nobody will say anything now after the event, however, now that this topic is being discussed, players might become aware of it in future tournaments

thorondor said:

Actually, that answers your own question right there. As the organizer of the event, you are welcome to issue your own reprint list. As the TO, your reprint list was not "wrong" just because it didn't agree 100% with the "identical" ruling in the FAQ. In fact, FFG has always been very open about the fact that event TOs set the final "floor rules" for their own events.

If you, as the TO, want to issue an "acceptable reprint" list, you are welcome to and it becomes official for your own event. No one will fight you on it. In the absence of such a list, FFG's word on the subject is "identical" - which can be interpreted and applied locally as the local players see fit.

Thanks for bloodycelt and thorondor

The list very usefull~

ktom said:

problem is, if its not considered "my own event" - like stahleck. this is not a meeting of local players, but an international championship. similar to gencon, where i dont think that the TO could issue his own reprint list before the event (well, since FFG is the TO, of course they can. but lets assume its a private person).

i have no problem to issue such a list before a big event, doing this with my common AGOT sense, but i really would like to avoid a situation, where players might start to discuss about legality of cards during a game. thing also is, that there are always players that dont read stuff like reprint lists carefully enough. of course its there own fault, however i would like to reduce (or is it lower?) the sources of such mistakes to a minimum, knowing it would eventually lead to a situation we dont want.

thus, i will follow FFG´s bright line as it is now (the slightest change is enough for a card to disqualify as a reprint). now i only hope i didnt miss anything ...

so i am returning to a former wish of mine: either FFG issues a official reprint list, or there are no reprints tourney legal at all.

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for those itnerested, i include a revised reprint list of Kings of the Sea. again, if someone wants the excel original, send me a message to [email protected]

1 Balon Greyjoy KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
2 Asha Greyjoy KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes different artwork - * Asha Greyjoy - Iron throne edition, U 67
3 Theon Greyjoy KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint changed - * Theon Greyjoy - Ice and Fire, U 94 (minor changes, the ability is now any phase and once per round instead of marshalling and once per phase)
4 Euron Crow's Eye KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes different artwork - * Euron Crow´s Eye, Winter edition R 66, Winter edition premium starter G1
5 Victarion Greyjoy KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
6 Aeron Damphair KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes different artwork - * Aeron Damphair, Iron throne R 66
7 Maester Wendamyr KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Maester Wendamyr, A house of thornes U 20
8 Wex Pyke KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Wex Pyke, Iron throne R 73
9 Sea Raiders KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Sea raiders, I&F C103, WED C73, WED PS G6
10 Stowaway KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
11 Priest of the Drowned God KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
12 Drumbeater KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint changed - * Drumbeater, I&F U96, I&F PS G16
13 Drowned Disciple KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Drowned disciple, ITE C74
14 Dagmer Cleftjaw KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
15 Ten Towers Honor Guard KotS - Character Greyjoy - new card -
16 Scurvy Cutthroat KotS - Character Greyjoy - reprint slightly changed - * Scurvy cutthroat, VED C78, WED PS G18
17 Assault of the Kraken KotS - Event Greyjoy - new card -
18 Kingsmoot KotS - Event Neutral - new card -
19 Seasick KotS - Event Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Seasick, ITE C 204
20 Risen from the Sea KotS - Event Neutral - reprint slightly changed - * Risen from the sea, ASoS C126, I&F C198, I&F PS G46, ITE C187
21 Support of Harlaw KotS - Attachment Greyjoy - reprint slightly changed - * Support of harlaw, AFoD U40, I&F PS G41
22 Veteran Marauder KotS - Attachment Greyjoy - new card -
23 Iron Island Fiefdoms KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint slightly changed - * Iron island fiefdom, VED C81, WED C83, WED PS G25
24 Aeron's Chambers KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Aeron´s chambers, ITE U 80
25 Sunset Sea KotS - Location Grey/Lann - reprint no changes - * Sunset sea, ITE 144, CS L65
26 Bloody Keep KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint slightly changed - * Bloody keep, ASoS C78, I&F PS G27
27 The Iron Mines KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint ASOS: changed, I&F+ITE slightly changed - * Iron mines, I&F U111, ASoS U81, ITE legacy pack F23
28 Longship Iron Victory KotS - Location Greyjoy - new card -
29 Scouting Vessel KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Scouting vessel, ITE C83
30 Bay of Ice KotS - Location Greyjoy - new card -
31 Gatehouse KotS - Location Greyjoy - reprint no changes - * Gatehouse, ASoS C79, I&F PS G28
32 Kingdom of Shadows KotS - Location Greyjoy - new card -
33 Robb Stark KotS - Character Stark - new card -
34 Joffrey Baratheon KotS - Character Lannister - new card -
35 Robert Baratheon KotS - Character Baratheon - new card -
36 Viserys Targaryen KotS - Character Targaryen - new card -
37 Myrcella Lannister KotS - Character Martell - new card -
38 The Price of War KotS - Event Neutral - new card -
39 Confession KotS - Event Neutral - reprint slightly changed - * Confession, ITE U176
40 Seafarer's Bow KotS - Attachment Neutral - new card -
41 Assertion of Might KotS - Event Greyjoy - reprint slightly changed - * Assertion of might, ITE U173
42 Shivering Sea KotS - Location Neutral - new card -
43 Shadowcat (s) KotS - Character Neutral - new card -
44 Silent Sisters (s) KotS - Character Neutral - new card -
45 Randyl Tarly KotS - Character Neutral - reprint slightly changed - * Randyll Tarly, ITE U157
46 Jack of All Trades KotS - Character Neutral - new card -
47 Godswood Attendant KotS - Character Neutral - new card -
48 After the Mummer's Ford KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * After the mummer´s ford, 5KE R215
49 Siege of Riverrun KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * Siege of riverrun, 5KE U235
50 The Breaking of Oaths KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * The breaking of oaths, 5KE R234
51 The Promise of Victory KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * The promise of victory, 5KE R238
52 Stay of Execution KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * Stay of execution, 5KE R236
53 An Empty Throne KotS - Plot Neutral - reprint no changes - * An empty throne, 5KE R217
54 Rise of the Kraken KotS - Plot Greyjoy - reprint changed - * Rise of the kraken, ITE U230
55 Commander of the Iron Fleet KotS - Title Neutral - new card -
56 The Crow's Eye KotS - Title Neutral - new card -
57 Lord of the Isles KotS - Title Neutral - new card -
58 Pirate Marauder KotS - Title Neutral - new card -
59 Priest of the Drowned God KotS - Title Neutral - new card -
60 The Reader KotS - Title Neutral - new card -

thorondor said:

See, I totally disagree with this. People put together their own "floor rules" for Regionals, ChiCON, Trials of the Mad King, Black Friday, etc. all the time. Legality of sets - which impact reprint policy - is the sort of thing that people hosting events with "larger than local" appeal and attendance rule on in advance quite often. In fact, I would say that if you are the TO for an international championship, it would actually be a good idea to issue a reprint list before the event. It actually helps avoid discussions of legality during the game - because there is a reference that can be used to end the discussion before it really gets going. Especially if, during the pre-event announcements - you call attention to the list as the source for what reprints are acceptable and advise people to double-check before the first pairings are posting if they have questions.

Sure, some people are not going to read it carefully, but then, there are people who don't read the FAQ carefully, either, so may not be aware of the "identical" line to begin with.

And yeah, I did have a list for Gencon.

ktom said:

Actually that´s what Thorondor did for the Stahleck event, he put together a list and published it before the event. By the way we also had the problem (?) that there were cards in up to 4-5 non-english languages available at the event.

So essentially it all breaks down to a theme were FFG shows a long time resistance. Sort of a card release list and a product content list would really fix both problems. So you would get a reference data bank to see how a card works (fixing misprints, avoiding translation errors) and remarks about official reprints could also be part of that data base.

Old Ben said:

And considering how much of an afterthought supporting LCG organized play in a formal sense seems to be for FFG these days, I wouldn't hold my breath that this will be happening anytime soon.

ktom said:

Well consider this.

FFG changed the chapter pack format after receiving player feedback.

Perhaps if the community (especially old timers) continually lobby for stronger formal organized play (say support for local tournaments and leagues) FFG will seriously consider that imput and implement changes.

I think I can speak for the California meta by stating that the recent monthly tournaments organized entirely by the players Syd and cha0s have certainly sparked a lot of local interest in the game. Weekly events have seen a rise from 1-3 regular players to 6-12 players. For just the northern California east bay that is a big difference. If that local store actually carried more quantities of GoT product at one time, they would continually sell out.

I believe there is certainly room for an emerging competitive LCG market. It makes perfect economic sense. Many players (like myself) love the format of deck building card games but hate how most are focused on the hustle of forcing playings to spend huge chunks of money every new set (every CCG from Magic to YuGiOh to Pokemon). Game of Thrones community has already proven to be about the best any gaming community could hope to aspire to. I am encouraged that FFG seems to be implementing changes based on player feedback.

LaughingTree said:

~ What a good idea. We should have started that 2 years ago! Oh, wait....

Seriously, we have been asking for a more robust supported play program since the LCG began (and the CCG program ended). It isn't completely off of FFG's radar, but it is also not a priority. Understandably, they want to do it right and there are a number of conceptual problems. For example, what do they do for prizes? Product? Not particularly appealing in the LCG environment where all product is fixed. Promos? Completely goes against the grain of the LCG "equal access to all players" concept. There are also a couple of practical difficulties in developing an ELO or other ranking system (a part of the program that most people agree is needed) that encourages the casual player, inspires the competitive player and fairly ranks both Joust and Melee - all at the same time. So I personally understand that a supported play program for the LCG is not an easy order to fill - especially for something that doesn't really create revenue (certainly not directly) for the company.

The only difficulty is that while trying to come up with a program that works on the many levels they need it to work on, nothing has really been implemented and there is essentially no program at all. Huge chicken-and-egg thing going on - and one of the primary reasons the "old timers" left and stayed away.

Well consider how WOTC does Magic support.

1. They have promos of cards with a.) alternate art or b.) Textless promos (which I think are nice). c.) Big versions... (not useful, but kinda cool).

2. They have a player rewards program that tracks your participation and then mails you promos.

3. Thier bigger tournaments have cash prizes... not sure if ffg can do that.

Honestly something like gencon or stahleck they should replace the promo with some sort of "elite" card. Reprinting some agendas or house cards to hand out to gencon attendies gives you something to show your friends at home, but doesn't give you a competitive edge.

Also at local tourneys reprinting older staples from A clash of arms or A Time of Ravens in say a textless version or alternate art (gold bordered? full bleed?). Would re-circulate those cards among new players who may not be able to find those chapter packs.

Product is not a bad idea also... say a chapter pack or set yet to be released. Imagine if they gave Princes of the Sun to the top four at gencon.