Also, we need to make that 4X list a thing again, except lose the shield upgrade and add Astros to the rookies and everyone gets IA.

Played a few game night kits with the Baby Blues. 4 Blue Squadron Novices is a nice update to it (it's surprising how good they are!).

Wouldn't mind trying 4 T-65s too.

It's surprising how many good pilots there are out there that people do ignore. I ended up going to my last couple of events using just TIE/fo fighters (because I wanted to use only ships and cards I own) and I ended up experimenting with Epsilon Ace. You never see him on tables but for his points he's bloody amazing! The best game ended up coming down to him and a Veteran Instincts Darth Vader, who was most put out to find a 17 point TIE fighter barrel rolling out of his arc after he moved with a road-runner-esque "Meep! Meep!"

I remember the days of Fat Han and Whisper. Heck, I remember when TIE swarms were on the rampage back in the days of Wave 3. Assault Missiles, you're our only hope!

Git off mah lawn!

But seriously, you are not going to slay a meta monster with conventional wisdom. I hated the idea of Fat Han but I wanted to win, and I knew a meta monster would cut its way to the top - Whisper. So I built my list to take on all comers, and had a hidden dagger for Whisper - Chardaan VI PTL Tycho. And you know what, I flew the best I could and with a little bit of luck and despite a lot of (my) stupidity, I won. Could have easily lost, but no way was I going to take a PWT (spits).

Now we got our Nationals coming again in a little over a month, and we have a pretty diverse meta. The lessons I've learned basically boil down to this:

1. Know your list and your ships.

2. Plan for the meta, but don't plan too hard, because...

3. ...the more gimmicky it is, the more there will be a kryptonite to your list.

4. Fly the best and smartest you can - plan 2 or 3 moves ahead.

5. Never give up.

6. Do not invoke the wrath of the dice gods.

This is pretty much standard wargaming advice, anywhere.

Begging for nerfs from FFG won't help you win. Taking a meta monster will help you win, but you're just encouraging further meta monsters and discouraging everyone who doesn't want to take one. There is nothing so sweet as winning with an unconventional list.

Not all change is bad.

Not all change is good.

Not sure why this confuses so many people.

Regardless bad or good, a majority of people don't like change. human nature or what? Idk, but people tend to like to stay with something that they know and familiar with.

Something isn't even released yet and people are screaming broken, op.

For God's sake rebels have been in the soot light for years since the game was released. Scum has been pretty bad up until late, and now people are bitching and moaning about rebels being to weak. Even though they are still making top spots. Ships that people claim are no longer good. Biggs, coran and Wes has won two regionals and done well in other areas. Has any other factio won worlds yet? Heaven forbid they may not this year (though that is yet to be seen)

If some had it there way the game would never evolve.

Paul Heaver is sitting back Laughing at all of the "Rebels Suck" posts. you wait and see he will win worlds with some crazy Rebel list no one has thought of yet, or we have but all thought "Nah that will never work"

Remember when 4b wings was a thing?

It was two B-wings and two X-wings.

X-wings can't take accuracy corrector, advanced sensors or FCS. All of which on 4 b's have been a "thing". Also; bloody daggers...

Aside from that...

Does anyone discuss anything interesting on the forum these days or it just nostalgia and OP/nerf/fix threads? Or do I just miss the interesting stuff in amongst the storm of tedium?

But X-wings can take Biggs. Advanced Sensors Daggers and Biggs doesn't leave room for another B-wing, hence it was XXBB.

Paul Heaver is sitting back Laughing at all of the "Rebels Suck" posts. you wait and see he will win worlds with some crazy Rebel list no one has thought of yet, or we have but all thought "Nah that will never work"

Because the meta likes to spam the same ship builds as many times over as it can. Paul Heaver makes a toolbox out of a variety of ships and loadouts and can adapt to take on anything. I think his last Worlds list was a Mk. II Stresshog, a regen Poe, a TLT Y-wing and a Z-95.

Remember when 4b wings was a thing?

It was two B-wings and two X-wings.

X-wings can't take accuracy corrector, advanced sensors or FCS. All of which on 4 b's have been a "thing". Also; bloody daggers...

Aside from that...

Does anyone discuss anything interesting on the forum these days or it just nostalgia and OP/nerf/fix threads? Or do I just miss the interesting stuff in amongst the storm of tedium?

But X-wings can take Biggs. Advanced Sensors Daggers and Biggs doesn't leave room for another B-wing, hence it was XXBB.

Paul Heaver is sitting back Laughing at all of the "Rebels Suck" posts. you wait and see he will win worlds with some crazy Rebel list no one has thought of yet, or we have but all thought "Nah that will never work"

Because the meta likes to spam the same ship builds as many times over as it can. Paul Heaver makes a toolbox out of a variety of ships and loadouts and can adapt to take on anything. I think his last Worlds list was a Mk. II Stresshog, a regen Poe, a TLT Y-wing and a Z-95.

Which does not sound like it would work on paper. But it did. I can't wait to see what he comes up with this year.

Jeez, Blue Five sounds a bit too much like a Pheliever.

Not all change is bad.

Not all change is good.

Not sure why this confuses so many people.

Regardless bad or good, a majority of people don't like change. human nature or what? Idk, but people tend to like to stay with something that they know and familiar with.

Something isn't even released yet and people are screaming broken, op.

For God's sake rebels have been in the soot light for years since the game was released. Scum has been pretty bad up until late, and now people are bitching and moaning about rebels being to weak. Even though they are still making top spots. Ships that people claim are no longer good. Biggs, coran and Wes has won two regionals and done well in other areas. Has any other factio won worlds yet? Heaven forbid they may not this year (though that is yet to be seen)

If some had it there way the game would never evolve.

Paul Heaver is sitting back Laughing at all of the "Rebels Suck" posts. you wait and see he will win worlds with some crazy Rebel list no one has thought of yet, or we have but all thought "Nah that will never work"

But ya never know. He went 4-2 at nationals using rebels, so maybe he'll switch to scum...it maybe not

I remember when the worst of the forums back in the day were the incessant "rate this squad: 100pts" and complaints about a map company (that will remain nameless) that wouldn't ship its products. Then the squad building sub came and it was all good for a bit. Then folks decided to make user generated content (Z-95s, Starvipers, ARCs, Gunboats. Back before some of this stuff was in the game) and as part of that, tried to reverse engineer the value of each hull, shield, attack dice, and defense dice. In the beginning it was kinda fun to sleuth out what made Each ship cost as much as it does. Then came the jousting values which tossed out most of the accepted point costs and accurately depicted ships as they would behave in a vacuum. Finding out why some ships were always in the game while others were not exposed the flaws that existed from launch and soon led to the "fix it" threads we see all the time. The constant braying about the TIE Advanced, A-wing, TIE Interceptors, X-wings, and the Phantoms soon earned them a "fix" for the most part to make them playable.

I remember my first negative play experience was against the Phantom as it wiped my squad despite my maneuvering. I was critical of something so ridiculously powerful being in the game.

Now NPEs happen more often, and I can empathize with people (yes sometimes even PGS) who hate seeing the game move forward through power creep.

Generally anecdotes are not usable evidence of power creep, but when there are enough people complaining about a topic, it is not localized. This past year has been terrible for the game with huge meta swings and an aggressive release schedule with what seems like increased complexity for the rules just to add some new pilot abilities or actions. How many ships are considered DOA due to the meta? A lot. How many ships are considered useless after a new release? A lot. I think about how much fun I used to have pushing around X-wings and now find myself starting to believe that the drive to create immediately powerful ships that can be top contenders in the tournament scene really pushes only the dinosaurs and mules out of the competitive meta. THAT is the problem though. X-wing is as much a game about reminiscing about the ships from the lore as it is playing with them and it creates a problem when ships like the X-wing are rendered obsolete. There are such strong feelings for ships in Star Wars that it is a problem when a game that was designed with assigning point values to make all of the ships somewhat equal fails to keep those points equal. It's sad when a squadron of starfighters cannot handle its equal point cost in freighters. It's sad that assigning maneuvers becomes near useless because of a wonky mechanic that allows for abuse.

It's sad that anyone should come onto the forums and talk about how a mechanic is being abused or creating a negative experience and they get derided by a bunch of adults who like using broken effects in the game. It's like we are in wave 4 again only this time, there is no squad that is a meta sleeper that can hold its own in high level tournaments.

As much as I like to talk about how greedy Imperial players are, it's just the attitudes of certain players and it's not limited to Imperial players, although they have the most blatant examples of greediness.

There is a certain type of player that is unwilling to admit/genuinely unaware that the list they're flying is OP and an NPE, and takes it personally when the list they're flying is called low skill. And there are other players that can see that what they're using is broken because they're reasonable.

I'm part of that second group. This is why some people can't understand why I can complain about Palp Aces even though I fly it, because they're from the first group. They can't imagine anyone playing Palp Aces who thinks it's overpowered, because they've never flown a squad they'd consider overpowered themselves. This is also why they assume that I only complain about Palp Aces (or Phantoms back in the day) because I'm bad at the game and I lose to Palp Aces. Yeah, I lose to Palp Aces and it's bull. And when I play Palp Aces I win and it's bull for my opponent.

I used to complain about the Phantom just as hard as I complain about Palp Aces now. And before the nerf I would fly 86 double Phantom and automatically beat anything that didn't have a turret in it, to prove a point to all the obnoxious, boneheaded people in the group at the FLGS that the Phantom was broken.

Maybe it's just you and people you play against that are bad against palp aces. Just because nobody in your area cannot beat the list does not mean nobody else can.

You never answered my question, so I take that as an inconvenience to you. As it doesn't back up your claims as how palp aces is invincible.

I've beaten palp aces so many times using both top meta builds and fun casual builds, and against good players. In some cases it's their only loss against me, but hey I did the impossible.

Palp aces is not easy mode. One bad move and it's game over. It's not easy for a lot of players. Fel is pretty predictable once he gets stressed, and you can narrow it down even more when you see he can't go a certain way because of rocks/debris and other ships in the way.

If people gun for fel from the start, that's why they lose. Out of the many games I've beaten it, never once was fel the first ship to die. It was always the other ship, and any game where I've gunned for fel is where I've lost

Things are going to start get harder on them with the slicer tools, and tractor beams start flying around more, and it'll change.

[...] This is why some people can't understand why I can complain about Palp Aces even though I fly it, [...]

I don't personally care why you fly it. What I don't understand is why you can't stop causing so much strife? Even I get on my soap box about certian issues but not to this degree. I've suggested before that if you wish to quell dissenters to play them on vassel. We all agreed. But instead, here in a post about ridiculous complaining, you find yourself complaining.

I don't know you but it certainly appears that your goal isn't to fix a perceived issue with the game but rather to invite arguments and strife as opposed to reasoned discussion and understanding.

Remember I said I have my hot buttons too so I have to be careful. But I try not to antagonize people for enjoyment. I'd rather play X-Wing for enjoyment. Besides, I don't play in tournaments but rather casually and I like Emperor Palpitine. We will not use him often or even Super Dash because. He good because he fits the Star Wars theme of a powerful Sith Lord. Being such we'll only see him occasionally.

Chill out,

Fly casual

and Game on.

Am I the only person who finds PGS funny?

Jeez, Blue Five sounds a bit too much like a Pheliever.

I think that's a portmanteau fail.

Besides, it's evidence rather than belief. A toolbox list and a good player beats a spam list. I doubt Paul Heaver would have won Worlds three times in a row with a rigid spam list. You need that flexibility.

Am I the only person who finds PGS funny?

If by funny you mean tragic. A lot of the stuff he says is very sensible, it's just twisted up in this ball of bad attitude.

I am so sick and tired to see Paragoombas complains in every second thread about aces. These long quotation posts with the "Yes but..." mentality...neverending contradictions. The effort behind this is ridiculous.

Complaining about Palp Aces because always loosing against them ("they are invincible"...). Then switching to Palp Aces (lol). And the best part: Loosing with this "invincible" list against Dash and then complaining against Dash that he ruins the game. What a ....

I will copy/paste this post in every thread I see you, PGS, complaining. Everybody else is free to copy this text in all colors and variations.

Oh god. A chain post.

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Am I the only person who finds PGS funny?

I still froth at the mouth about Tie Phantoms from time to time.

Not all change is bad.

Not all change is good.

Not sure why this confuses so many people.

Regardless bad or good, a majority of people don't like change. human nature or what? Idk, but people tend to like to stay with something that they know and familiar with.

Something isn't even released yet and people are screaming broken, op.

For God's sake rebels have been in the soot light for years since the game was released. Scum has been pretty bad up until late, and now people are bitching and moaning about rebels being to weak. Even though they are still making top spots. Ships that people claim are no longer good. Biggs, coran and Wes has won two regionals and done well in other areas. Has any other factio won worlds yet? Heaven forbid they may not this year (though that is yet to be seen)

If some had it there way the game would never evolve.

Paul Heaver is sitting back Laughing at all of the "Rebels Suck" posts. you wait and see he will win worlds with some crazy Rebel list no one has thought of yet, or we have but all thought "Nah that will never work"

Which is exactly why I added "yet to be seen"

But ya never know. He went 4-2 at nationals using rebels, so maybe he'll switch to scum...it maybe not

And the year he ran Fat Han he did not do well at Nationals either. He ran Han with Gunner I think and learned from that experience. I think he does not care about winning Regionals or Nationals as he is using them to practice his squads for Worlds and tweaks his lists from that practice.

I still froth at the mouth about Tie Phantoms from time to time.

But they can be great in a proper scenario.

You can't find me...

Jeez, Blue Five sounds a bit too much like a Pheliever.

I think that's a portmanteau fail.

Besides, it's evidence rather than belief. A toolbox list and a good player beats a spam list. I doubt Paul Heaver would have won Worlds three times in a row with a rigid spam list. You need that flexibility.

Am I the only person who finds PGS funny?

If by funny you mean tragic. A lot of the stuff he says is very sensible, it's just twisted up in this ball of bad attitude.

But I think it's a win!

I also think PGS is at times the biggest tool around, and then, I find him funny, and then, I find him occasionally insightful.

Too many people with light sabre hilts up their butts around here sometimes. Seriously, I love me little plastic ship pew pew toys, but the variety of opinions is also part of what makes a forum entertaining, and if you don't get that, that is kinda sad, for me, and for Yoda.

Too many people with light sabre hilts up their butts around here sometimes. Seriously, I love me little plastic ship pew pew toys, but the variety of opinions is also part of what makes a forum entertaining, and if you don't get that, that is kinda sad, for me, and for Yoda.

Generally speaking, pennies, 2P's and 5P's are bad, along with nickels and dimes. 10P's and quarters are always useful, also anything above.

That's all I have to say about change.

I do agree that people do bicker and whine about the big new thing, there's always a sky falling thread.

I mostly agree with your summation however I feel it was brash to add the penny to the ban lists. Production issues aside they penny had its place and served its function very well. Changing the rule set to integrate rounding was just confusing. I can't speak for P's though as I'm strictly a Canadian player.

I want to start a thread that says 'I'm quitting because I love X-Wing'

Oh I'm not quitting the game, of course not. The game is well balanced for casual play. Plenty of good builds and a few over powered. Even a powerful Emperor. Not fond of the fighter esq freighters but hey nothing is perfect.

No I think it would be funny to say 'I'm quitting because I love X-Wing, not the game, but the forum'. You guys are far too hostile.

I'm not actually quitting, I'm just thinking aloud that a thread like this would not be odd.

I still froth at the mouth about Tie Phantoms from time to time.

Don't worry, it will be fixed when Sabine becomes a pilot.

I still froth at the mouth about Tie Phantoms from time to time.

But they can be great in a proper scenario.

I admit that I get a certain glee from destroying Tie Phantoms in Heroes of the Aturi Cluster.

I still froth at the mouth about Tie Phantoms from time to time.

But they can be great in a proper scenario.

I admit that I get a certain glee from destroying Tie Phantoms in Heroes of the Aturi Cluster.

I would like to see them in an epic scenario either used as scout recon or to drop off a package/spy and get out. Their high cloaked agility combined with stealth could let them slip though if a battle is going on. Dual mission, so to speak. Win the battle for a win, place the package for a marginal win. Both for a full victory. Can the rebellion stop both?

Or the phantom can slip past the line to destroy a small asteroid base behind the battle line. The Rebels can divert ships to stop it or hold the line?

I've found Phantoms were especially brutal in Epic. I recall when the CR-90 first came out, the Rebels had it and a bunch of X-wings. The Imperials loaded up with Tie Phantoms, Tie Interceptors, and Lambdas with HLC. "It was easy. I don't see how the CR-90 can ever compete with anything" was the comments I got. Well, against all that.....yeah.