Okay, but Palp Aces still ruins the game.

*yawn*

You run Palp Aces. Also you said that about Superdash a few months ago.

I run Palp Aces while fully acknowledging that it ruins the game. I record how much value I get from Palpatine every game, and tell opponents how broken Palp Aces is as I'm playing it. I tell them as I'm playing them that I'm beating them with a no skill list.

But of course, "PGS uses Palp Aces, what a hypocrite! He has no right to complain about it!".

And yes, Super Dash still ruins the game.

Major Juggler has discussed the actual math involved in calculating Palpatine's value, and while he has said Palpatine does produce results far beyond what his cost would indicate on the shuttle, your method is oversimplified to the point of being a strawman.

So yeah, it won't win a large event because Palp Aces is straight up invincible

Ya, Palp Aces 10235 win and 0 loss record is pretty remarkable.

So yeah, it won't win a large event because Palp Aces is straight up invincible, but it will stomp all the traditional jouster lists it faces.
Palp Aces loses matches, thus is not invincible....

You ignore having to get something in your firing arc.
Lots of ships do this...
You ignore the cannon in primary arc only rule.
You sacrifice your primary weapon to do this...
You ignore being limited to one action.
Lots of ships also do this...
You ignore the downside of Push the Limit by having your entire dial be green, OR you use Kyle and actually start benefitting from the downside of PtL, and with boost and barrel roll on a large base and a green maneuver, you can move wherever you want to anyways.
Dash has 4 green moves, where is he getting an entire green dial from?
Not only are you a turret that ignores maneuver dials, but you also have engine upgrade and barrel roll on a large base.
"Ignores maneuver dials"? What does that even mean?
You ignore the downside of HLC being range 2-3 only by being able to move wherever you want to.
Moving wherever you want to does not ignore the doughnut hole, it just moves it.....
You ignore the downside of being bad at the game and misjudging a boost or barrel roll and going off the map because the rules were changed to cater to Super Dash players who need this game to be like bumper bowling. Boost look risky? Try it anyways, why the hell not?
“A ship cannot boost if this would cause its base to overlap with another ship’s base or an obstacle token, or if the maneuver template overlaps an obstacle token.” It doesn't mention going off the board. The rules state that if you cannot complete a legal boost/barrel roll action, then you don't have to do it. Going off the board is a legal action....
You ignore the damage deck. The new damage deck came out to cater to Super Dash players. That damage card that says that you take a damage when you overlap an asteroid? Super Dash ignores asteroids!
Still affects him when he bumps another ship. And to claim that he entire new damage deck was made to cater to Dash because of one card is a joke.
Oh yeah, how could I forget, Super Dash ignores obstacles.

You ignore the downside of Push the Limit by having your entire dial be green, OR you use Kyle and actually start benefitting from the downside of PtL, and with boost and barrel roll on a large base and a green maneuver, you can move wherever you want to anyways.

Dash has 4 green moves, where is he getting an entire green dial from?

Not only are you a turret that ignores maneuver dials, but you also have engine upgrade and barrel roll on a large base.

My theory is that PGS playing his Palp Aces list, which he complains about constantly, got beat by someone playing Super Dash. Thus Super Dash is broken and should be nerfed. But at least this is a distraction from his constant "Palp OP, must be made epic only" rants.

He is referring to Kanan crew, which virtually makes all of Dash's whites green.

And nah, he's been on Super Dash for just as long if not longer than Palp Aces. If Palp Aces ever fall off the map, it will be back to Super Dash as his main culprit for what ruins the game once again.

If I don't have to buy two rulebooks and $400 on top of the vanilla packages outside of the parent company just to stay valid, I'm content with most of the game.

I agree with the OPs general sentiment from his original thread. This forum has really declined into an area of next to no positivity aside from some of the equally irrational fanboys who love everything FFG does without question. I am not sure why I check in daily other than to see what new wave info may be revealed, though the discussions always dial immediately into the "XXXX is broken" and "YYYY is useless/overcosted" rage fest. I do remember when Fly Casual reigned and when people were generally much more positive and friendly, and I miss those times. It is what it is, I suppose.

You ignore the downside of Push the Limit by having your entire dial be green, OR you use Kyle and actually start benefitting from the downside of PtL, and with boost and barrel roll on a large base and a green maneuver, you can move wherever you want to anyways.

Dash has 4 green moves, where is he getting an entire green dial from?

Not only are you a turret that ignores maneuver dials, but you also have engine upgrade and barrel roll on a large base.

My theory is that PGS playing his Palp Aces list, which he complains about constantly, got beat by someone playing Super Dash. Thus Super Dash is broken and should be nerfed. But at least this is a distraction from his constant "Palp OP, must be made epic only" rants.

He is referring to Kanan crew, which virtually makes all of Dash's whites green.

And nah, he's been on Super Dash for just as long if not longer than Palp Aces. If Palp Aces ever fall off the map, it will be back to Super Dash as his main culprit for what ruins the game once again.

That's what I thought, but he was complaining about Kyle Katran's crew effects. But I forgot that in PGS's mind, all overpowered crew options are simultaneously available even though there's only one crew slot. It's like Schrodinger's overpowered crew member.

I don't see how palp aces are invincible. I've beaten yorr, jax and fel at the regionals. Plus number other occasions. Granted I was flying against my buddy who won a store championship with them. I've used dengeraoo a couple times. Kanan, biggs and ezra another couple if times

I beaten jax, palmobile, and ryad using Kanan and Miranda, using bombs, torps and no autoblaster turret on Kanan

I've beaten palmobile, Vader and fel using vessery with a tractor title and crackshot, and 3 scimitar with tacticians, mara Jade, rebel captive, and fleet officer.

That's just from what I can remember, but I've beaten more than that.

So I if it's invincible, how do I manage to win so many games? Even against players who win store championship with them?

Also not to mention the games I've also lost using yorr whisper and omega, or and fel with a delta, or fel with whisper

I've lost with palp aces more than I've lost with oicunn with two bombers and a tie (11/12-1 with that. Only lose was against tie swarm), vessery with the 3 scimitar shuttles (only lose was against Paul heaver), and dengeraoo just to name a few

Does that mean they are invincible? And before it's said, I've won a store championship with yorr, omega and whisper, and won a lot on vassal, and against friends with that, so it's not like I'm bad with them

You ignore the downside of being bad at the game and misjudging a boost or barrel roll and going off the map because the rules were changed to cater to Super Dash players who need this game to be like bumper bowling. Boost look risky? Try it anyways, why the hell not?

“A ship cannot boost if this would cause its base to overlap with another ship’s base or an obstacle token, or if the maneuver template overlaps an obstacle token.” It doesn't mention going off the board. The rules state that if you cannot complete a legal boost/barrel roll action, then you don't have to do it. Going off the board is a legal action....

Er, what? Are you trying to break down someone's post and not actually know how the game works?

You cannot boost or barrel roll off the board, per an FAQ a couple waves back. Which matches PGS complaint, whether or not it holds any value.

Did you see the results from the Russian Nationals this year? 2 B-Wings, Horton in a Y-Wing and a Z-95 was 7th place. That person is my hero.

But, much this. I disliked triple scouts immediately, but mostly because I've been running rebel control and it wrecked it. I hate Dengaroo even more. I have been playing palp aces, and I don't feel palp is at all unbalanced but he's really good. Really good. I have been playing a lot of defenders of late (as I find they can beat Dengaroo and I hate that list). But, soon new ships will hit, the meta will shift, and we get to see if BMST punches palp aces like I think it will. If so, it'll be a totally new meta shift yet again. Enjoy the ride. I'm grateful, I change what I play from wave to wave. It would get pretty stale otherwise.

But didnt someone from Russia post about a week ago, that he hasnt gotten or even seen anything new (like past four or five waves worth of stuff) in Russia? So Yes, 2 B-wings, Colonel Horton Salm and a Z-95 would do well....some of that is near cutting edge for the guy/area.

You ignore the downside of being bad at the game and misjudging a boost or barrel roll and going off the map because the rules were changed to cater to Super Dash players who need this game to be like bumper bowling. Boost look risky? Try it anyways, why the hell not?

“A ship cannot boost if this would cause its base to overlap with another ship’s base or an obstacle token, or if the maneuver template overlaps an obstacle token.” It doesn't mention going off the board. The rules state that if you cannot complete a legal boost/barrel roll action, then you don't have to do it. Going off the board is a legal action....

Er, what? Are you trying to break down someone's post and not actually know how the game works?

You cannot boost or barrel roll off the board, per an FAQ a couple waves back. Which matches PGS complaint, whether or not it holds any value.

And just so there is no confusion on where to find it see below for the copy/paste from page 18 under the Actions and Game Effects section.

Q: Can a ship decloak or perform a boost or barrel roll that would cause it to go outside the play area (and thus flee the battlefield)?

A: No. A ship cannot decloak or perform a boost or barrel roll if this would cause its base to go outside the play area. This includes a boost or barrel roll caused from receiving a tractor beam token.

You ignore the downside of being bad at the game and misjudging a boost or barrel roll and going off the map because the rules were changed to cater to Super Dash players who need this game to be like bumper bowling. Boost look risky? Try it anyways, why the hell not?

“A ship cannot boost if this would cause its base to overlap with another ship’s base or an obstacle token, or if the maneuver template overlaps an obstacle token.” It doesn't mention going off the board. The rules state that if you cannot complete a legal boost/barrel roll action, then you don't have to do it. Going off the board is a legal action....

Er, what? Are you trying to break down someone's post and not actually know how the game works?

You cannot boost or barrel roll off the board, per an FAQ a couple waves back. Which matches PGS complaint, whether or not it holds any value.

I checked the most recent FAQ (which this rule isn't in) and couldn't figure out how to look at previous FAQs to see if they changed it previously. I knew they added the caveat that if you couldn't complete your boost/barrel roll as declared, then you could back out of the action entirely instead of being forced to boost/barrel roll some other direction, but I didn't know they removed the ability to fly off the board with it.

So I was wrong about 0% of his complaints being invalid. Only 90% of his complaints are invalid.

Okay, but Palp Aces still ruins the game.

*yawn*

You run Palp Aces. Also you said that about Superdash a few months ago.

I run Palp Aces while fully acknowledging that it ruins the game. I record how much value I get from Palpatine every game, and tell opponents how broken Palp Aces is as I'm playing it. I tell them as I'm playing them that I'm beating them with a no skill list.

But of course, "PGS uses Palp Aces, what a hypocrite! He has no right to complain about it!".

And yes, Super Dash still ruins the game.

It's been mentioned before, but you calculate the amount of value generated by Palpatine incorrectly (Unless you've shifted to a new method from the one you've talked about in previous threads). Simply dividing Soontir's cost by three and saying Palpatine produced that much value is over simplifying the process- By that logic, a 6 hp Soontir would be 70 points, but it's easy enough to see that isn't the case.

Major Juggler has discussed the actual math involved in calculating Palpatine's value, and while he has said Palpatine does produce results far beyond what his cost would indicate on the shuttle, your method is oversimplified to the point of being a strawman.

I'd fly a 46 point Inquisitor with 6 health, or a 62 point one at 8 health.

And a 70 point Soontir with 6 health wouldn't be bad either. Fly it next to a Defender.

That would be quite the effective point fortress. Trade your 30 point Defender for 31 points of their list and run away the whole game.

I'm not convinced that these ships wouldn't be worth double the amount of points if they had double the amount of health.

Assuming I play a Palp Aces game where it never fires or blocks or draws any fire and Palpatine's cost is actually 29, and I use Palpatine to effectively double Soontir's health, it's not actually very different from just flying a 70 point 6 health Fel.

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

I think the OP's ever-keel attitude needs a fix.

Her/his chill ruins this game!

Rage - Rage - RAGE!!!

...and typing nonsensically.

Any suggestions?

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I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

You really want to convince us? Stop playing it yourself. Take a stand for your beliefs. Not be hypocritical. And no, telling people your list is broken does not change anything.

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

Red Squadron Torp chimp X-wings X 3

Blount with crack and tracers

Block those aces, kill Palpmobile first. Shoots before triple toilet seats. Uses pilots that NOONE uses. Requires actual skill to fly.

Haven't tried it yet, so can't say it works, but wouldn't it be fun?

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

It's not about succumbing to reason. It's about holding a different opinion. People can see and acknowledge the power of the ships, lists, and upgrades you hate. They just don't agree that the game is therefore ruined.

Why do you continue playing a game you believe ruined? If you enjoy it still on some level, it isn't a ruined game. Merely, a game with some balance and pricing issues (just like every other list building game, ever).

FFG has shown a consistent effort to shift the meta with new releases and correct those balance issues, and that effort alone makes them better than many of their competitors. They've made plenty of mistakes along the way, and I assure you, they will continue to do so (being human sucks). And the fixing process is not easy, nor is it fast. There are financial, human resource, copyright, and many other beauricratical issues that delay the process. All of our capital letters don't grease the wheels.

But at some point you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that they're never, EVER going to gut the mechanics you hate to the level you want. Your constant stream of negativity changes nothing.

I prefer coming to this site because many others are regional and I prefer having my finger a little closer to the pulse. But I agree with Kdubb this community often descends into a wretched hive of negativity. And not with the charm of the Most Eisley Cantina, more like the confusing, "why does that droid feel pain?" Jabbas palace sorta way.

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

Red Squadron Torp chimp X-wings X 3

Blount with crack and tracers

Block those aces, kill Palpmobile first. Shoots before triple toilet seats. Uses pilots that NOONE uses. Requires actual skill to fly.

Haven't tried it yet, so can't say it works, but wouldn't it be fun?

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

*Gasp* the logic! The reasoning! The eloquence!

You really want to convince us? Stop playing it yourself. Take a stand for your beliefs. Not be hypocritical. And no, telling people your list is broken does not change anything.

Remember to use your best Harvard Lockjaw when describing how total broken and unfun the list is. And restate multiple times that they must fly that list as well or forever be branded total losers.

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

It's not about succumbing to reason. It's about holding a different opinion. People can see and acknowledge the power of the ships, lists, and upgrades you hate. They just don't agree that the game is therefore ruined.

Why do you continue playing a game you believe ruined? If you enjoy it still on some level, it isn't a ruined game. Merely, a game with some balance and pricing issues (just like every other list building game, ever).

FFG has shown a consistent effort to shift the meta with new releases and correct those balance issues, and that effort alone makes them better than many of their competitors. They've made plenty of mistakes along the way, and I assure you, they will continue to do so (being human sucks). And the fixing process is not easy, nor is it fast. There are financial, human resource, copyright, and many other beauricratical issues that delay the process. All of our capital letters don't grease the wheels.

But at some point you're going to have to come to terms with the fact that they're never, EVER going to gut the mechanics you hate to the level you want. Your constant stream of negativity changes nothing.

I prefer coming to this site because many others are regional and I prefer having my finger a little closer to the pulse. But I agree with Kdubb this community often descends into a wretched hive of negativity. And not with the charm of the Most Eisley Cantina, more like the confusing, "why does that droid feel pain?" Jabbas palace sorta way.

Why does that droid feel pain? Well, dive deep into the EU and drink deeply of Tales from Jabba's Palace and find out waaaaaay more than you ever wanted to know about psychopathic torture droids and cyborg monastic orders.

I do have to say, OP is right in that this forum has turned in to a pretty big joke. Every post seems to be "FIX REBLS PLZ", "PALP ACES TOO STRWONG!", "PREQUEL FACTIONS NOOW PLZ", or simply just spamming images, emojis and typing nonsensically, I think I need to find a new place to discuss the game.

Any suggestions?

What about succumbing to reason? Palp Aces blatantly ruins the game.

Did you not read my post about how I've beaten it numerous times with numerous builds? That's just from what i remember too.

Not invincible. Can be beaten, with a variety of lists. Don't see how the game is ruined.