The star wars the force awakens should be a seporate game!

By devotedknight, in X-Wing

Right now no. I mean it is good that they are starting to get more models for the TFA factions and I predict that eventually there will be a split making the game have 5 separate playable factions instead of 3 but as for now too soon for the TFA products.

I suspect this as well.

Man, imagine if Prequels, Original and TFA were all separate games?

The divide of fandom in the Star Wars community would be strong. There would be radicals on each end. Burning the rules of the others and disowning them as wrong or dismissing even though they're the same game. It would be tense, with some trying to bring us together with words of "but we're all Star Wars." Yet, we wouldn't listen, we'd just hate.

Original trilogy would be the majority but the inclusion of a Vong faction would bring dissension in the ranks, breaking the once strong game group.

And we'd all only have one game night at the local game store.

Edited by CheapCreep

Why?

Your argument was that you liked these movies but not those movies. Not at all a reason to split the game up. Do you have a point, or just trolling?

With all due respect. That's not what I said, Different time periods should only run again the same period. That is like fly WWII air craft against Vietnam era air craft.

"star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!"

If they are going to Add TFA than they should also ass the Prequels ships.

I stopped taking this thread seriously when the OP made the claim that the Prequels are better than TFA.

Which was the first post.

I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams. He comes up with nothing new, just Regurgitates old ideas. At least the Prequels showed some imagination and creativity, (I'm not talking about Jar Jar!!!)

If you liked the TFA movie, that I'm glad for you. For me, I rolled my eye's when a planet consumed a Star!!! Give me a break!!

I stopped taking this thread seriously when the OP made the claim that the Prequels are better than TFA.

Which was the first post.

I'm not a fan of JJ Abrams. He comes up with nothing new, just Regurgitates[/size] old ideas. At least the Prequels showed some imagination and creativity, (I'm not talking about Jar Jar!!!)

If you liked the TFA movie, that I'm glad for you. For me, I rolled my eye's when a planet consumed a Star!!! Give me a break!!

TFA might be my least favorite star wars movie. Although that sounds worse than it is since I do like all 7 of them. I have 2 prequels in my top 3 actually.

So you want FFG to create a seperate game that will have a maximum of what 6 ships until there is another movie (which may or may not have new ships)? And you want them to run this concurrently with another one of their games that is functionally exactly the same?

I'm sorry but that is absolutely absurd. I can't conceive as to how you would think that could be a tenable option.

The consumer confusion over two identical, yet seperate games. The complete inability to support a TFA only version. And the fact that in no way would both be able to sell, one would eat the other.

This is a bad idea, through and through.

Edited by ScottieATF

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

Step 1: make a fist

Step 2: look at your fist

Step 3: punch yourself in the face.

You said something! Salt and Pepper Calamari with Coleslaw and Hush Puppies!

So you want FFG to create a seperate game that will have a maximum of what 6 ships until there is another movie (which may or may not have new ships)? And you want them to run this concurrently with another one of their games that is functionally exactly the same?

I'm sorry but that is absolutely absurd. I can't conceive as to how you would think that could be a tenable option.

The consumer confusion over two identical, yet seperate games. The complete inability to support a TFA only version. And the fact that in no way would both be able to sell, one would eat the other.

This is a bad idea, through and through.

It has been done before by the AH.

Right. That's why I only play Resistence. Go and try that. I dare you!

So you want FFG to create a seperate game that will have a maximum of what 6 ships until there is another movie (which may or may not have new ships)? And you want them to run this concurrently with another one of their games that is functionally exactly the same?

I'm sorry but that is absolutely absurd. I can't conceive as to how you would think that could be a tenable option.

The consumer confusion over two identical, yet seperate games. The complete inability to support a TFA only version. And the fact that in no way would both be able to sell, one would eat the other.

This is a bad idea, through and through.

It has been done before by the AH.

By what? And in what fashion?

I'm glad they added tfa ships because it makes it harder to omit prequel ships because of era differences.

Resistence a d First Order fit with the existing rebel and imperial factions far easier and nicer than prequel factions do

That's the truth. No only is there Dark Side and Light Side religions but politics with Unification and Independence. Republic would be like Light Unification alignment while First Order would just be Dark Neutral since they are attacking the current government of the Galaxy. So far this is the best chart I got.

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Although I didn't like putting the Rebels Alliance next to the CIS so for a wheel I put Scum & Villainy between them as a buffer and for Era fluff swapped Rebel Alliance and Resistance so Rebels were closer to the Republic.

X_wing_alliance_Wheel.png

But for those that want scum to be more of a Mercenary faction instead of a Buffer here is a set up that puts S&V in its proper place in the middle of everyone.

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Why?

Your argument was that you liked these movies but not those movies. Not at all a reason to split the game up. Do you have a point, or just trolling?

With all due respect. That's not what I said, Different time periods should only run again the same period. That is like fly WWII air craft against Vietnam era air craft.

"star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!"

If they are going to Add TFA than they should also ass the Prequels ships.

Also look at Star Wars. So the Ywing is from the Clone Wars! So is the ARC-170 (well leave that one out since you likely have a major problem with it too) but the Ywing is perfect example as is the z-95. They are used by the Rebellion constantly, hell the Y-wing is a mainstay of the Rebellion for ages, even after the Xwing and Bwing.

Then you have the T-70 which isnt 30years newer than the wing, its actually not that much newer (im not sure the exact number of years it was created after Endor), the T-85 is, but the Reistance dont use that since they dont make it and canyt buy it so, they get cheap and used T-70s to use against the First Order.

So using the TFA stuff isnt completely out of line with what is used today in our world and isnt even a stretch from the CloneWars era ships being used in the Rebellion era.

Your argument is falling flat based on modern day historical and Star Wars historical warfare evidence alone.

Edited by knavelead

I'd upload the troll in the dungeons gif but that's more effort than this post deserves.

If you think FFG is going to mess with this blockbuster game called X-Wing your out of your mind.

X-Wing is literally printing money for FFG.... they will NEVER mess with the business model.

I stopped taking this thread seriously when the OP made the claim that the Prequels are better than TFA.

Which was the first post.

Original content is any way better than unoriginal "not that new hope" content

In other words, it's not a feat being better than TFA

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

The game constantly breaks its own continuity with characters that 'die' able to compete in the game fine and dandy, such a Biggs Darklighter, and Garven Dreis, with characters from later in the Star Wars line of films. You seem to be all for the EU, so let's use a better example. If you say that its not acceptable for the two time periods/eras to mix, you cannot equally say with convition its okay to field Biggs Darklighter with Corran Horn, given that by the time the E-Wing and Corran came along, Biggs was looong dead. I know what you're thinking, false equivalency principle. However its how I feel.

I know its hard...but the EU is dead. Get over it. I certainly have. Nothing changes, those are still fantastic stories and I love to read them, but it's over. Disney wanted a clean slate without years of stories that they'd have to write into their vision for Star Wars' future. They can take inspiration from the series, see Thrawn in Rebels season 3, but they are not tied to it like an overly clingy partner who constantly demands attention.

From the perspective of a player, it's just a dumb and toxic idea frankly. Why make three separate games, that have the exact same engine, the same theme, same everything, the only difference being the time periods? What do you do about OP tournaments? Offer three different kits, that's expensive considering you now need three different nationals, worlds etc. for all those variations of the SAME GAME.

It's also a highly elitist thing to demand. Think of it this way, you go to a tournament for X-Wing and a brand new player turns up running a Force Awakens list...would you turn that player away in good conscience knowing that their ships are fully compatible with this system, just because his ships are from a different 'era'?

What you suggest is the most toxic thing I have seen someone suggest on this forum. There is no good reason to split the eras into separate games, it will divide a community, cause FFG to have to support three different versions of the same game (which is expensive as it is), and would mess up their entire business model for X-Wing. The only reason that you have...is because it makes no sense thematically. A lot of things in this game make no sense thematically. Why do you forgo your action when going over asteroids? why do you lose your attack when you land on them? Why do ships not go out with all the upgrades they can have? How do point costs work thematically? Why does Poe Dameron change one focus to a hit/evade as his ability? Why does Countess Ryad change a straight to a K-Turn?

None of those things make sense from a thematic standpoint, its this lovely part of game design called "Mechanics", and when it comes to games and fun, the fluff is cool, but mechanics is where the game is. Without the mechanics there is no game, and while fluff can be nice, it should never override mechanics and stop a game from being 'fun'. Particularly if you are telling other people how to play the game they want to play. If I want to run in a tourney and run 3 T-70's against you. You can suck it that its not in the time period that you like, you have no right to tell me I can't fly that list because you dislike TFA, I liked TFA and like flying T-70's. Likewise I can't tell you to like TFA and have no right to force you to like it, hate TFA all you want, but understand that TFA ships are here to stay in X-Wing.

If you have a problem with that, don't let the blast door crush your ass on the way out.

Edited by Ebak

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

ugh

I know its hard...but the EU is dead. Get over it. I certainly have. Nothing changes, those are still fantastic stories and I love to read them, but it's over. Disney wanted a clean slate without years of stories that they'd have to write into their vision for Star Wars' future. They can take inspiration from the series, see Thrawn in Rebels season 3, but they are not tied to it like an overly clingy partner who constantly demands attention.

Yeah, I miss some of the EU (we all know some of the stories weren't actually good at all), but it's totally understandable that Disney wanted to start over. Would I have preferred if they had selectively included some of better EU books in the new canon and altered TFA to fit with them? Yeah, I would have. But it's their IP, not mine.

This is either a very cunning and elaborate troll, or the OP is the worst kind of poster.

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

ugh

The best part of playing only The Force Awakens era ships is no Palp Aces, right?

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

ugh

The best part of playing only The Force Awakens era ships is no Palp Aces, right?

also no biggz and no REBELS-generated bantacrap

yeah, and likely no SuperHan

Edited by Warpman

Why is FFG mixing two periods of Star Wars???

Two totally different time periods. And they should not be able to mix them, JMHO.

star wars the force awakens was a bad movie, and the prequels are more deserving to be added to the game!!

ugh

The best part of playing only The Force Awakens era ships is no Palp Aces, right?

No Palp Aces, but you can still fly Regen Poe and Han together. With only FA ships, and FA characters allowed, Regen Poe and a Falcon would blatantly be the best build and there wouldn't really be much that could take it out. Could 6 FO's do it? Not really. 4 T-70's? Nope.

C-3PO is in the movie.

R2-D2 is in the movie.

Predator and Gunner and whatever EPT you put on Poe aren't banned from the format. Engine Upgrade or Autothrusters isn't.

When Turretwing was huge, fat turret lists were actually more of a problem than Palp Aces lists are now. All a Force Awakens only format would do is enable Poe Han and there wouldn't be anything you could do about it.

I'd kind of rather just face Palp Aces than Poe Han all day.

Clearly the answer is 6 quadjumpers!

I'm glad they added tfa ships because it makes it harder to omit prequel ships because of era differences.

Resistence a d First Order fit with the existing rebel and imperial factions far easier and nicer than prequel factions do

That's the truth. No only is there Dark Side and Light Side religions but politics with Unification and Independence. Republic would be like Light Unification alignment while First Order would just be Dark Neutral since they are attacking the current government of the Galaxy. So far this is the best chart I got.

Although I didn't like putting the Rebels Alliance next to the CIS so for a wheel I put Scum & Villainy between them as a buffer and for Era fluff swapped Rebel Alliance and Resistance so Rebels were closer to the Republic.

But for those that want scum to be more of a Mercenary faction instead of a Buffer here is a set up that puts S&V in its proper place in the middle of everyone.

Actually it's not possible to use a grid, because despite all the biases, the Imps are simply Neutral Lawful and rebels Chaotic Neutral. Because Jedi aren't good actually, simply preserving the order of the Republic (that's rotten to the core already) and Empire isn't evil, it's just self-preserving against violent attempts to blow things up.

There's nothing Good (neither lawful neutral nor chaotic) in the SW franchise and maybe IG-88 is the only entitiy worthy of Chaotic Evil status.