Counterpoint: ARC-170 and Attack Shuttle. I very much doubt the Rebels have one ARC that they all share.

No generics seems to be FFG's way of representing limited numbers.

That's a stupid way to do it then. Both of those things SHOULD have generic pilots.

Imp astromechs aren't specialized like rebel bots, they are basically treated as another piece of the ship. So if you really don't want to add imp Astros that do cool stuff then...don't.

How is this a *thing*? It's just one ship - a common one at that. It's hardly going to result in a mass of ships available across the factions. #internetdrama

I won't rest until Imps have the BTL-B and Refit Clone Headhunters.

How is this a *thing*? It's just one ship - a common one at that. It's hardly going to result in a mass of ships available across the factions. #internetdrama

I won't rest until Imps have the BTL-B and Refit Clone Headhunters.

Yeah well obviously - who *doesnt* want those!

Yes. A stolen iconic IMPERIAL vessel.

Look, I'm not disputing that there are multitude of perfectly reasonable scenarios why rebels might be able to steal virtually any imperial ship (and vice-versa). Indeed, some of them are presented in the films. They're still imperial ships though and if you're building a rebel fleet they shouldn't really be an option except for set scenarios/campaigns. The usual 100 pts dogfights generally represent a typical random skirmish and you would expect every faction to be limited to their own ships in such a situation.

It's a bit like playing a WWII game and having, say, Tiger tanks in the Soviet army. Is it possible for Soviets to have captured some Tigers? Of course. It probably did happen plenty of times. Still, Tiger is such an iconic German tank of the period that if you put Tigers in a Soviet roster something would feel off.

It's not just that there are reasonable scenarios, it's that the Rebels have canonically used TIE Fighters. And if you go to Legends sources, they at times fielded entire TIE squadrons.

Oh, and as far as the Soviet Tigers in a WWII game goes? How about Soviet Panthers and German T-34s?

Some jerks will field all four pilots in one list.

That's hardly jerk-like: the Rebels used whatever they could get their hands on.

There is only one true sin in X-Wing and that's this:

Rebels should have gotten that before getting a TIE Fighter.

I think they should have gotten the resistance transport instead.

Rebel tie fighters and Imperial firesprays are a mistake IMO

They are cannon,

Shadow squadron took a ton of them after the Empire took over and retrofitted them for imperial use:

Heck, Kenner even made a toy out of it.

So Fantasy Flight, if we are gonna go full on Swingers and start doing some swapping, its only fair if both sides get a chance to fly their neighbors ship. If only one side gets to do it, then its cheating. You wouldnt want to be involved with that would you Fantasy Flight?

First off, that isn't Kenner. This isn't the 1970s-80s. That is Hasbro.

Second off, yes The Empire used them, but I always love when people cite the toy as a source.

Do we really want this Scout Y-Wing? Surely it's canon. Right? Surely.

I think they should have gotten the resistance transport instead.

Rebel tie fighters and Imperial firesprays are a mistake IMO

I'm gonna paint my Firespray in both Imperial Grey and Imperial Blue. So there.

They are cannon,

Shadow squadron took a ton of them after the Empire took over and retrofitted them for imperial use:

Heck, Kenner even made a toy out of it.

So Fantasy Flight, if we are gonna go full on Swingers and start doing some swapping, its only fair if both sides get a chance to fly their neighbors ship. If only one side gets to do it, then its cheating. You wouldnt want to be involved with that would you Fantasy Flight?

First off, that isn't Kenner. This isn't the 1970s-80s. That is Hasbro.

Second off, yes The Empire used them, but I always love when people cite the toy as a source.

Do we really want this Scout Y-Wing? Surely it's canon. Right? Surely.

I mean, if I'm being totally honest... I'd probably rather have that than the Rebel Tie, but that's just me.

I think they should have gotten the resistance transport instead.

Rebel tie fighters and Imperial firesprays are a mistake IMO

They are cannon,

Shadow squadron took a ton of them after the Empire took over and retrofitted them for imperial use:

Heck, Kenner even made a toy out of it.

So Fantasy Flight, if we are gonna go full on Swingers and start doing some swapping, its only fair if both sides get a chance to fly their neighbors ship. If only one side gets to do it, then its cheating. You wouldnt want to be involved with that would you Fantasy Flight?

First off, that isn't Kenner. This isn't the 1970s-80s. That is Hasbro.

Second off, yes The Empire used them, but I always love when people cite the toy as a source.

Do we really want this Scout Y-Wing? Surely it's canon. Right? Surely.

Thank you for the correction for the name of the Toy publisher, and then your general making fun of the post. That has added a great deal to the conversation about the Arc-170 as an imperial ship. I look forward to further evidence you continue to be aptly denominated. Please do not disappoint.

They are cannon,

Shadow squadron took a ton of them after the Empire took over and retrofitted them for imperial use:

Heck, Kenner even made a toy out of it.

So Fantasy Flight, if we are gonna go full on Swingers and start doing some swapping, its only fair if both sides get a chance to fly their neighbors ship. If only one side gets to do it, then its cheating. You wouldnt want to be involved with that would you Fantasy Flight?

First off, that isn't Kenner. This isn't the 1970s-80s. That is Hasbro.

Second off, yes The Empire used them, but I always love when people cite the toy as a source.

Do we really want this Scout Y-Wing? Surely it's canon. Right? Surely.

Thank you for the correction for the name of the Toy publisher, and then your general making fun of the post. That has added a great deal to the conversation about the Arc-170 as an imperial ship. I look forward to further evidence you continue to be aptly denominated. Please do not disappoint.

Well, if we're being honest, it's no less useless than all the other passive-aggressive posts popping up around here after the wave 10 announcement.

Imperial ARC-170 was on a t-shirt! And a hat! I saw them, they must be canon!

There's really no question that the Imperial ARC is canon. It absolutely is.

(While Kanan #3 is only a few days into the Empire, the later appearances of the ARC in Imperial service are text-only.)

The Astromech slots appear to have been removed from those ARCs.

The Astromech slots appear to have been removed from those ARCs.

replaced with an additional crew slot

I.e, there's a storm trooper helmet just poking out of there

I think they should have gotten the resistance transport instead.

Rebel tie fighters and Imperial firesprays are a mistake IMO

The Firespray was Imperial way before it was scum. So would you like to say that FFG made a mstake by ever introducing SCUM by using a ship that was likely always going to be cross faction to begin with?

Yes, that was a mistake; Imperials should have gotten the Delta JV-7.

On topic: I think too much mixing reduces the character of each faction.

But exactly how much mixing is too much? With Sabine's TIE we have 5 ships that are dual-faction out of 43 total ships. I don't think we're anywhere near that kind of dilution that you're worried about.

Besides, it's not just the ships that give each faction its character. It's also the pilots and crew and faction-specific upgrades.

Cross faction pilots!!!!!

Soontir as rebel!

Han as Scum!

Sabine as Imperial!

Cross ship pilots!!!

Stele in EVERY TIE EVAH

Farlander in X, Y, A wings

Cross faction ships?

Y-wing, Z-95 and ARC-170 for imps!

Scum TIEs!

Imperial X-wings!

Scum YTs!

Rebel Lambdas!!!!

Ok...yeah, maybe not that many.

Imperial ARCs are cannon, that was never up for dispute. Well, it could be but it would not make them any less cannon. My thought would be it would be an easy way for Fantasy Flight to reuse an existing mold and give Imperials a non-arc dodging small ship that would be fun to play.

The Astromech slots appear to have been removed from those ARCs.

So I cant figure out if the top Arc is flying in FRONT of the middle ship, or has collided with it. The perspective is off.

There's really no question that the Imperial ARC is canon. It absolutely is.

(While Kanan #3 is only a few days into the Empire, the later appearances of the ARC in Imperial service are text-only.)

It's quite canon, but I am so underwhelmed by the Rebel TIE (yet another toothless Rebel ship) that the sight of an Imperial ARC-170 does nothing to quicken the pulse.

Gameplay-wise. the ARC-170 is barely distinguishable from the TIE/sf as it is. You trade 1 agility for... an extremely limited Imperial Astromech slot, more health and shields, worse manoeuvrability and, with Tail Gunner and the title, a slightly different rear arc effect? What would you get with this that would also encourage you to take it for your other faction's ships (a common FFG sales tactic?)

I just don't see FFG really considering this.

That red tiger patterned ship reminds me of all the bad EU ship designs...

Imperial ARCs are cannon, that was never up for dispute. Well, it could be but it would not make them any less cannon. My thought would be it would be an easy way for Fantasy Flight to reuse an existing mold and give Imperials a non-arc dodging small ship that would be fun to play.

The Empire has:

TIE/ln fighter- swarmer, blocker

TIE/x1 advanced - jack of all trades

TIE/in interceptor - arc dodger

TIE/sa bomber - alpha strike, minelayer

TIE/D defender - heavy jouster

TIE/ph phantom - non-reactive arc dodger

TIE/IT punisher - minelayer

TIE/v1 advanced - arc dodger

TIE/fo fighter - swarmer, blocker, jouster

TIE/sf fighter - nobody's quite sure yet