That's a TIE fighter, the single most ubiquitous hip in the entire galaxy.

With Sabine, Zeb, Ahsoka and Rex as pilots, and the yellow ship in all of their pilot card artworks, I think it's a very specific TIE Fighter, and they did really stretch for other (than Zeb) pilots with it.

1.) Imperial players and their greed.

2.) Go ahead, have an Imperial "Hey guys, you like the X-Wing? Well what if it had three wings and the pilot said, 'S-Foils in attack position'? That's Star Wars, right guys? Right?" -Wing. None of you guys are going to use it anyways, it's not Soontir Fel or the Inquisitor or the Palp Shuttle.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

You say "you've gotten a Rebel Tie Fighter" almost like we asked for it. If it was up to me, I'd trade it in for, well, almost anything that was actually a Rebel ship.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Imps should have V-19 before getting an astromech ship.

That being said they could get the following in Imperial colors:

Delta-7B

Eta-2

V-wing

ARC-170

Vader needs his Eta-2!!!!

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Of course you can come up with any kind of reason why a TIE should be captured. Or why a single X-wing should be captured by the Empire. Or any other ship in the game for that matter. It still doesn't make it feel right.

I'd rather have an ETA-2 Actis Interceptor.

An Eta-2 in 1/270 would be just over 2cm long.

It's not a big ship.

Be happy that it's a Tie and not Lambda-Shuttle.

Right it wouldn't have the title either.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Should we give Lightsaber bayonets to storm troopers because they picked up a Lightsaber?

Should the Federation side in Star Trek get a bird of prey with cloaking just because Kirk captured one?

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Should we give Lightsaber bayonets to storm troopers because they picked up a Lightsaber?

Should the Federation side in Star Trek get a bird of prey with cloaking just because Kirk captured one?

Hyperbole. The Rebel TIE Fighter has no generics, which accurately represents the fact that there is only a handful. Way to completely miss the point.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow.

Against the spirit of Star Wars?

In RotJ the most screentime the Lambda gets is when it's stolen by the Rebels.

Yes. A stolen iconic IMPERIAL vessel.

Look, I'm not disputing that there are multitude of perfectly reasonable scenarios why rebels might be able to steal virtually any imperial ship (and vice-versa). Indeed, some of them are presented in the films. They're still imperial ships though and if you're building a rebel fleet they shouldn't really be an option except for set scenarios/campaigns. The usual 100 pts dogfights generally represent a typical random skirmish and you would expect every faction to be limited to their own ships in such a situation.

It's a bit like playing a WWII game and having, say, Tiger tanks in the Soviet army. Is it possible for Soviets to have captured some Tigers? Of course. It probably did happen plenty of times. Still, Tiger is such an iconic German tank of the period that if you put Tigers in a Soviet roster something would feel off.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Should we give Lightsaber bayonets to storm troopers because they picked up a Lightsaber?

Should the Federation side in Star Trek get a bird of prey with cloaking just because Kirk captured one?

Hyperbole. The Rebel TIE Fighter has no generics, which accurately represents the fact that there is only a handful. Way to completely miss the point.

Edit: I'd actually be intrigued by a Rebel Lambda. Being only featured for one film it's not iconic and it presents Rebels with a cheap large ship without access to turrets.

Stealing TIEs is easy. That's why the Empire doesn't put hyperdrives on them.

Not really. Your argument is that just because there are isolated examples of equipment being captured it should be a faction wide option. That's pretty absurd.

That's not his argument. He's saying that as a captured ship its very low numbers are mechanically represented by a lack of generics. He's saying that you equating the existence of a captured TIE to it becoming a Rebel mainstay is hyperbolic.

The Rebels are limited to four TIEs, all of which are named pilots. They've no real incentive to use it as filler over the Z-95. Mechanically it's either a very cheap ace or a utility ship.

Well to all intents and purposes it is mainstay as its capturing an isolated example. In all likelihood you're more likely to see clone troopers with lightsabers in the galaxy after order 66 than those named pilots in TIEs. It goes back to the oft used example: just because the Allies captured Tigers, doesn't mean they should have them in WWII games.

Mechanically it doesn't seem to fit a spot and is unlikely to do so (as anyone who spends points in TIE/INs will tell you).

It goes back to the oft used example: just because the Allies captured Tigers, doesn't mean they should have them in WWII games.

Depends how many tanks in the game. If there are only two or three tanks on the field then a captured Tiger could indeed harm the theme a little outside of a scenario. Twenty tanks? No issue with a captured Tiger.

If there were a 12 point generic then sure, I see your point, the Rebels could run a TIE swarm or a miniswarm. But they can't, they only get aces. This is not a ship where it's mechanically prudent to run a lot of them.

Mechanically it doesn't seem to fit a spot and is unlikely to do so (as anyone who spends points in TIE/INs will tell you).

It's a very cheap illicit and crew carrier with the title and in a similar space to TIE aces without: a cheap high PS craft to round out a list.

It goes back to the oft used example: just because the Allies captured Tigers, doesn't mean they should have them in WWII games.

Depends how many tanks in the game. If there are only two or three tanks on the field then a captured Tiger could indeed harm the theme a little outside of a scenario. Twenty tanks? No issue with a captured Tiger.

If there were a 12 point generic then sure, I see your point, the Rebels could run a TIE swarm or a miniswarm. But they can't, they only get aces. This is not a ship where it's mechanically prudent to run a lot of them.

Not to mention only one of them can have the title which gives an illicit and crew slot...so most people will only use 1. I could see some people using an un-unpgraded one as a wingman or even just a filler in a list. But you are correct, no Rebel Tie swarms.

Much like the Scum HWKs, I think the design of the pilots and the upgrade options for the rebel TIE will make it a distinct vessel to the Imperial mainstay. It shares a statline and dial and I doubt much more.

I was calling for a Rebel Lambda and TIE pack a while ago.

Tyderium title, Han and Chewie as pilots (maybe Craken as well) with a Unique Rebel Commando Unit pilot.

TIE with Biggs, Porkins and maybe Rebel Infiltraitor and Academy Mutineer unique pilots.

It would have been GLORIOUS.

Instead we got Graffitti TIE with everyone's favorite Mando-girl dropping bombs and cloaking.

Oh, wait, that's pretty cool!

Agreed, If they are not going to do a Republic subfaction which can be used by Imperials then the Imperials should have a few ARC-170s.

Imp Astromechs I think could be fun, giving the ARC something uber unique.

My main question is title. The Alliance Overhaul title doesn't make sense for an Imp ARC. What would you put in its place?

I would give it a better stat card and pilot abilities. The veteran imperial crew can just get more out of it.

I think Sabine's TIE is FFG running out of ideas and I don't really appreciate that rebels will be flying TIEs. It's just against the spirit of SWs somehow. The only thing that redeems it is that it's a really cheap ship and on top of that we're unlikely to see more than 1 in any given list. As a result, it's unlikely to dominate rebel lists and will be there mostly for flavor. ARC on the other hand will take up a third or more of your budget and it will definitely be a centerpiece of your list. Such ships should be faction exclusive or else the game will become a mess.

Not Star Wars? It's unreasonable that an Empire that rules over an entire galaxy has one of its TIE Fighters captured?

Should we give Lightsaber bayonets to storm troopers because they picked up a Lightsaber?

Should the Federation side in Star Trek get a bird of prey with cloaking just because Kirk captured one?

Yes, one bird of prey allowed and it has to take he HMS Bounty title.

And YES Stormtroopers can use lightsabers! McQuarrie had them using lightsabers and shields in his art! Why couldn't there exist specially trained saber troops?