Or villians of the black sun?
I am sure that this will come out sometime, but in the mean time, lets make a custom one!
Edited by gryffindorhouseScum Aces
Scum YT-??
Cards for the other one.
Maybe two model box release with fixes of the Starviper, along with an alternate paint scheme of course.
And...........?
Scum YT-??
Cards for the other one.
As much as I like the idea of a Scum YT-1300 or a Scum YT-2400,
I just don't see it happening because you can't have Scum stealing everything,
you have to draw the line somewhere, and I suspect that's where FFG will.
On the other hand if they did another Most Want style conversion pack I wouldn't complain.
Edited by gabe69velasquezI imagine a Han Solo origins movie would elicit a scum YT-1300.
Scyk - with some decent unique pilots and a new title (4 copies) that is a 0-point version of the current one. Or, a Scyk-only upgrade of some kind that makes 2-turns green. Or something to help multiples get more synergy when defending.
Starviper - with Talonbane Cobra as a unique and a generic title that does... something. Maybe just the Illicit slot, for free? Or a Chaardan-like upgrade for the torpedo slot.
Kihraxz - mostly just more uniques, maybe the model is a different variant (the Kihraxz is has a very diverse set of designs) with maybe a Black Sun paint-job? Maybe a mod or title that generates more action economy or helps with defense.
Basically, these three ships, in my opinion, all have the same problem: they are too expensive for their damage output and durability. Scyks don't have nearly the swarmy synergy that TIEs have and, cost-wise, are WAY behind the TIE/fo. The title shouldn't be 2 points; it should either be free or 1 point. The Kihraxz is really neat, but like the T-65 X-wing, just doesn't have the durability or defense to really last and do lots of damage.
The Starviper, though, is in the same position as the Defender was pre-Veterans. It's a solid ship, but it's way too expensive for what you get before you load it with upgrades. If it was 2 points cheaper, you could go a lot further with it, and if there was a way to get better upgrades onto it (a non-unique title that isn't an upgrade tax), you could make it competitive.
That's my wishlist, at least.
I imagine a Han Solo origins movie would elicit a scum YT-1300.
So for that ship, the movie elicits illicits.
My pun is making you ill, is it?
Scum & Villainy
Small Ships
- HWK-290
- Kihraxz Fighter
- M3-A Scyk Interceptor
- Mist Hunter
- Most Wanted
- Protectorate Starfighter
- Quadjumper
- StarViper
- Y-Wing
- Z-95 Headhunter
Large Ships
Edited by gabe69velasquezHaving had a look at the list I would agree with you...
Edited by gabe69velasquezthe only way scum's getting another YT series is if it's a mobile arc
the jm5k has the PWT market cornered to the point that any other large base PWT would either just get completely overshadowed or probably break the game
we're looking at Scyks, Vipers and K-fighters for ace style repacks, since they need it the most
Edited by ficklegreendiceYea, me, I'd love to see a Scum aces with Starviper and Khiraxz, and then a Scum Epic with Jabba's Yacht and a Scyk or two.
Starviper / Kihraxz / Syck
all in one box
Scum Aces is the Gunboat for the mainstream.
Scum Aces is the Gunboat for the mainstream.
Did someone say Gunboat?
(My vote is for viper and the Kihraxz)
The Kihraxz and Starviper are now almost completely redundant thanks to the Protectorate Starfighter, which does there role ( jouster ) better and in a more points efficient manner as well as being a Arc Dodger if needed.
The Scyk is in a tricky spot any fix has the potential to make Z-95's redundant. Maybe a title which reduces cost & let's you equip a cannon ( or have a cheap cannon for free ).
Edited by Vordynthe only way scum's getting another YT series is if it's a mobile arc
the jm5k has the PWT market cornered to the point that any other large base PWT would either just get completely overshadowed or probably break the game
we're looking at Scyks, Vipers and K-fighters for ace style repacks, since they need it the most
Or you could just make it a 2 firepower, 4 shields and 6 hull like the ORS. Maybe even have different upgrade slots depending on the unique pilots get a torpedo or bomb slot instead of a missile slot.
Scyk ... Or something to help multiples get more synergy when defending.
Something like: "When defending, roll an extra Def dice if there is another friendly Scyk within Range 1."
Or: Wingman EPT for free.
I too like the idea of emphasising a swarming-style for this ship - but I've made suggestions in a "Fixing the Scyk" thread so won't repeat them here.
Starviper - with Talonbane Cobra as a unique and a generic title that does... something. Maybe just the Illicit slot, for free? Or a Chaardan-like upgrade for the torpedo slot.
Access to Tech??
Kihraxz - mostly just more uniques, maybe the model is a different variant (the Kihraxz is has a very diverse set of designs) with maybe a Black Sun paint-job? Maybe a mod or title that generates more action economy or helps with defense.
Black Sun definitely!...
...call me greedy, but I'd hope any buff still allows them to be flown in fives.
... then a Scum Epic with Jabba's Yacht and a Scyk or two.
I hope not - I'd most likely want to buy multiples of the any alt-paint Scyk, and I won't do that if packaged with a Huge - unless it is a single-card Huge, and they work well as twins (like the GR75 and Gozzie can in their respective lists), then at least I'd get 2... but Jabba's Yacht would have to be double-card Huge, so I'll only be getting one.
Besides the "fluff" stating Jabba's docked escort is Z-95's, if they did make the Scyk take over the role, then it would be best not to make them a new paint scheme - in that way, the old expansion pack still has a place in future purchases (being that it's Hutt colours)... now, if there was a Scyk included, it could have the paint scheme for a new named Pilot included with the yacht - then I wouldn't mind only having one of that scheme.
Starviper / Kihraxz / Syck
all in one box
^ This... I'd buy 3 at least ^
If we take the Star Viper, Scyk and Kihraxz as the Scum ships most in need of a buff, new options and/or new options, in that order, then we're probably loking at two SKU's to cover them all.
Simple upgrades like Attanni Mindlink and Black Market Slicer Tools are enough to add some utility to some ships and pilots, but the Star Viper especially is a bit more tricky as the generics don't have Elite Talent slots OR Illicit slots - which is where TIE Defender style titles would probably come in to open up a few more options.
Personally, I'd love to see the Hutt ships packaged together in an Ace's style box, but with model variants to please the Galaxies crowd and give some physical model variation to go along with the new options.
Scum Aces - Dead or Alive
Models - 1 x Dunelizard (Hutt Cartel paint scheme), 1 x Vaksai (Black Sun paint scheme)
Scyk Title - Dunelizard x 3
Kihraxz title - Vaksai x 3
New Illicit upgrades/modificaitons
New pilot cards
Then you'd have the inevitable Scum Epic ship, packaged together with a StarViper. Leading candidates would be:
Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck
Talon Karrde's Wild Karrde :
Or Jabba the Hutt's Star Jewel
Personally, I'd say that the Lady Luck is the most likely option for a first Scum Epic ship, as the SoroSuub Personal Luxury Yacht 3000 was canonised in The Clone Wars TV series. As well as potential crew and title cards for Lando and the Lady Luck , you'd also have Hondo Ohnaka and Fortune and Glory .
Edited by FTS Gecko
Not sure about the
Lady Luck
for scum Epic...assuming Mel has his sizing right [and I think he usually does], the model is only a little longer than the Ghost, and obviously a lot slimmer - it would by far & away be the smallest Epic ship [ignoring the engine nacelles, it comfortably fits inside the GR-75 planform] - just thinking about all those comments regarding the Aggressor being a 'small' large base
I'd really hope for the
Wilde Karrde,
as I think those retractable rods for the attitude jets make the
Star Jewel
impractical [unless, of course, it's modeled with them retracted] - and the WK doesn't need a box, with its built-in carrying handle
...but anything will do!
If we take the Star Viper, Scyk and Kihraxz as the Scum ships most in need of a buff, new options and/or new options, in that order, then we're probably loking at two SKU's to cover them all.
Simple upgrades like Attanni Mindlink and Black Market Slicer Tools are enough to add some utility to some ships and pilots, but the Star Viper especially is a bit more tricky as the generics don't have Elite Talent slots OR Illicit slots - which is where TIE Defender style titles would probably come in to open up a few more options.
Personally, I'd love to see the Hutt ships packaged together in an Ace's style box, but with model variants to please the Galaxies crowd and give some physical model variation to go along with the new options.
Scum Aces - Dead or Alive
Models - 1 x Dunelizard (Hutt Cartel paint scheme), 1 x Vaksai (Black Sun paint scheme)
Scyk Title - Dunelizard x 3
Kihraxz title - Vaksai x 3
New Illicit upgrades/modificaitons
New pilot cards
Then you'd have the inevitable Scum Epic ship, packaged together with a StarViper. Leading candidates would be:
Lando Calrissian's Lady Luck
Talon Karrde's Wild Karrde :
Or Jabba the Hutt's Star Jewel
Personally, I'd say that the Lady Luck is the most likely option for a first Scum Epic ship, as the SoroSuub Personal Luxury Yacht 3000 was canonised in The Clone Wars TV series. As well as potential crew and title cards for Lando and the Lady Luck , you'd also have Hondo Ohnaka and Fortune and Glory .
Looks like Dead or Alive is catching on, thanks to ME.
And it's nice to see folks mirroring my Huge scum choices.
Anyway...
I'm all for a three ship $40 box to fix all three of the lack luster scummy small bases. Of the three the Scyk needs the most help. I like the idea of emphasizing swarming, maybe with a couple new pilots that aren't exactly ripoffs of Howlie or Youngster. I don't know if a new title is needed but possibly a Scyk-only 1 pt cannon or torp/missile.
Khyraxz could use a couple pilots too, but maybe emphasis on the illicit slot is needed, maybe a cheaper boost or broll for 1 pt that breaks on a roll or maybe an illicit that's a cheaper PTL or EI.
Starviper needs a generic title for sure, perhaps a Scyk-style either/or that gives a system OR illicit.
I don't know if a new title is needed but possibly a Scyk-only 1 pt cannon or torp/missile.
If we're not going to completely redo the title, which we probably shouldn't for the sake of game elegance, then we have two options for helping out the Scyk. One is a Scyk only mod which gives it something it needs to be competitive, but a discounted cannon that's Scyk only is probably the way to go.
Personally, I want a 2 red dice autoblaster type cannon that works at range 2-3 for like, 2pts. You'd then be able to make cheap 18pt Scyk's that are fragile and not that strong against high-HP monsters like Ghosts, but can really put some fear into highly defensive super aces with their long range damage that can't be cancelled. Even one of those guys in a list would be solid added insurance.
One card that I would like to see and it would make 'fixing' scum easier would be:
Cloned Transponder-Modification-0 points
Small Ship Only-Scum Only
You may equip 2 title cards.
That way you are not messing up any of the original titles, yet are still able to add them in, or you choose between a title and modification.
Scum YT-??
Cards for the other one.
As much as I like the idea of a Scum YT-1300 or a Scum YT-2400,
I just don't see it happening because you can't have Scum stealing everything,
you have to draw the line somewhere, and I suspect that's where FFG will.
On the other hand if they did another Most Want style conversion pack I wouldn't complain.
It's not Scum stealing
It's just Scum being rebels at the same moment. You know, godless mercenaries, thiefs and smugglers
I put together some ideas for a Scum Aces pack a while back.
Some of the ideas I had are a little dated at this point, but there's some solid work in that album.