Soontir and rage

By Tetrarch, in X-Wing Rules Questions

Hi there,

i searched the forum and didnt find the answer so i hope the question wasnt answered already.

does Soontir recieve a focus token per stress token? I m not so shure about it because the card states, if you recieve a stress token you recieve a focus token ( so it doesnt say, if you recieve one or more stress tokens recieve one focustoken). But what makes me not so shure is, that you can trigfer every ability only once per occasion when it happens...

How do i have to read Soontirs special ability? recieve one focus per stress or recive one focus per one or more stress?

Please dont use shortforms in your answers, because i am not a native englishspeaker and dont know all the shortforms.

Thanks in advance

greetings H

Soontir should get one focus token for each stress token he receives. Using Rage should get a total of three focus tokens for Soontir. One token from the Rage ability and one for each stress token.

Being able to trigger an ability once per opportunity isn't violated by this because the opportunity that triggers Soontir's ability is receiving the stress token. Each token is a separate opportunity.

Edited by WWHSD

But it's not like he's receiving them one at a time, right? Seems like it's a single event.

But it's not like he's receiving them one at a time, right? Seems like it's a single event.

Soontir isn't receiving a token that is worth two stress. He's receiving a single stress token twice. He triggers off of receiving stress, not off of events that generate stress.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Another question.

I suppose, that the focus and the stress from rage are recieved at the same time. So Jake Farrell wouldnt be abel to have his free boost or barell roll because of the stresstokens.

Or does he first recieve the focus, than recieve his free barell roll or boost and the recieve the stress?

Thanks in advance

Greetings H

I don't think there's an explicit answer to that, but my guess would be that his ability interrupts between the focus and the stresses.

everything is assigned one by one in this game.

For instance, perks that let you "discard a damage card" or "flip a damage card face down" - no matter how many crits you suffered, you still draw them one by one, decide if you are going to use the ability or not, then draw the next.

Soontir is no different. Baffles works the same way. Its still assigning him two separate tokens, just like you would draw two separate cards.

Thanks for the quick reply.

Another question.

I suppose, that the focus and the stress from rage are recieved at the same time. So Jake Farrell wouldnt be abel to have his free boost or barell roll because of the stresstokens.

Or does he first recieve the focus, than recieve his free barell roll or boost and the recieve the stress?

Thanks in advance

Greetings H

Jake with Rage would nest. This means he could perform the Rage action, which would trigger his ability, allowing him to boost/barrel roll, then he would pick up the stress.

Hi there,

i searched the forum and didnt find the answer so i hope the question wasnt answered already.

does Soontir recieve a focus token per stress token? I m not so shure about it because the card states, if you recieve a stress token you recieve a focus token ( so it doesnt say, if you recieve one or more stress tokens recieve one focustoken). But what makes me not so shure is, that you can trigfer every ability only once per occasion when it happens...

How do i have to read Soontirs special ability? recieve one focus per stress or recive one focus per one or more stress?

Please dont use shortforms in your answers, because i am not a native englishspeaker and dont know all the shortforms.

Thanks in advance

greetings H

Giving Soontir 'Rage' is a terrible idea. Yes, you'll get three focus tokens; but you will also have two stress tokens. So next round, even if you do a green and clear one stress token, you're still stressed and unable to perform actions. And an action-less Soontir is a dead Soontir.

I agree. Soontir and Rage is not a good combo. It may look good getting 3 focus tokens, but they're gone at the end of the round, and the stress remain.

Hi there,

thanks for all the answers.

Played Soontir with rage, it wasnt bad. because i had anotther ship with wingman and i used rage only when the situation allowed me the to get rid of the stress quickly.

Greetings H

Hi there,

thanks for all the answers.

Played Soontir with rage, it wasnt bad. because i had anotther ship with wingman and i used rage only when the situation allowed me the to get rid of the stress quickly.

Greetings H

I'm not usually the dogmatic type, but no. There's only one EPT for Soontir. He's a complete waste without PTL.

Rage is a worst PTL end of story... the only place where it is better then Focus - Target Lock is with Torpedo Missile, if you already took the Target Lock next turn or when you have two attacks in a turn, like on Dengar. It is good on Tycho, because you do Rage - PTL - Action. So you get three actions. You could also be even more disgusting with Experimental Interface and do:

Action PTL Action EI Rage... for pseudo 4 actions :) but you loose Authotruster

Quickdraw/Rage/Baffles is also solid.

Rage is a worst PTL end of story... the only place where it is better then Focus - Target Lock is with Torpedo Missile, if you already took the Target Lock next turn or when you have two attacks in a turn, like on Dengar. It is good on Tycho, because you do Rage - PTL - Action. So you get three actions. You could also be even more disgusting with Experimental Interface and do:

Action PTL Action EI Rage... for pseudo 4 actions :) but you loose Authotruster

Unless you're Tycho. Rage is great on Tycho.

Rage is a worst PTL end of story... the only place where it is better then Focus - Target Lock is with Torpedo Missile, if you already took the Target Lock next turn or when you have two attacks in a turn, like on Dengar. It is good on Tycho, because you do Rage - PTL - Action. So you get three actions. You could also be even more disgusting with Experimental Interface and do:

Action PTL Action EI Rage... for pseudo 4 actions :) but you loose Authotruster

Unless you're Tycho. Rage is great on Tycho.

Or Keyan :D

thanks for all the tipps but i really had fun with Soontir and rage. I am shure that you are right that it is a terrible combo for tournaments but you can belive me, that casual games are fun as well, where you can just try a list that is not a tournament winner and you use it just because you want to for fun. ;)

Greetings H

Edited by Tetrarch

Hi there,

thanks for all the answers.

Played Soontir with rage, it wasnt bad. because i had anotther ship with wingman and i used rage only when the situation allowed me the to get rid of the stress quickly.

Greetings H

Figured that's what you were likely to be doing. Did your opponent focus on the Wingman ship? Because that's what i would have done. The minute he's down, Fel is in a tough pickle. You either Rage and lose actions for the next turn; or you don't and you're down to a single action.

The other problem with Rage on Fel is that it limits one of this greatest attributes - the arc dodge. Using Rage completely negates his ability to boost and/or barrel roll in a better position.

Rage is a worst PTL end of story... the only place where it is better then Focus - Target Lock is with Torpedo Missile, if you already took the Target Lock next turn or when you have two attacks in a turn, like on Dengar. It is good on Tycho, because you do Rage - PTL - Action. So you get three actions. You could also be even more disgusting with Experimental Interface and do:

Action PTL Action EI Rage... for pseudo 4 actions :) but you loose Authotruster

Unless you're Tycho. Rage is great on Tycho.

Or Keyan :D

:D

Hi there,

thanks for all the answers.

Played Soontir with rage, it wasnt bad. because i had anotther ship with wingman and i used rage only when the situation allowed me the to get rid of the stress quickly.

Greetings H

Figured that's what you were likely to be doing. Did your opponent focus on the Wingman ship? Because that's what i would have done. The minute he's down, Fel is in a tough pickle. You either Rage and lose actions for the next turn; or you don't and you're down to a single action.

The other problem with Rage on Fel is that it limits one of this greatest attributes - the arc dodge. Using Rage completely negates his ability to boost and/or barrel roll in a better position.

My Opponent shot at the wingman, but i tried to keep him at distance 3 to the shooter ( wingman was saber pilot with autothrusters) so my opponent had to decide which target is more atractive. Every round he shot at the wing was a round i didnt have to arc dodge. The goal of arc dodging is that no one shoots at you. I achieved this by having a wingman.

Greetings H

Yes casual is fun build, but it is no a reason to use card that are absolutely no doing something more then another card...

Rage is the samething as doing Focus - Target Lock with PTL but getting two stress.

If you decide to use Gonk, fine. There is no other card that do Gonk but in one action...

And for Tycho, this is not better then PTL it is WITH PTL... And for Keyan, then PTL would still be better.