I'm surprised they sold x wing at all to be honest.

I was probably one of the first to suggest new core because of clearance, however its just one more thing pointing to it. I don't think Target is going to release any kind of expansion they don't carry the core for, and FFG did "surprise" us last year with product in Target. I think Target has shown it has done well with Core sets and will likely get a product again, and we have this one neat SKU that's "missing".

well even though I have no evidence to support my claim I'm afraid your probably wrong, and setting yourself and possibly others up for disappointment

When ffg has released core sets, that were also sold at target there was 2 side along expansion that were released with them.

This we only have 1 missions sku. Not 3, so there is no side expansion to go along with it. No target does not sell expansions, but they were still released at the same time through lgs.

Also as pointed out the first expansion went on clearance at target years before the second expansion was even released.

Why the hell would they even release a new expansion a year after another? There is no new faction, or anything worth wild to support another expansion.

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On a side note we do not need a 3rd dmg deck and etc that comes with another expansion.

If they release another expansion it'll be for something other than 1 spin off movie

can't disagree with the logic of anything you've said above but (as someone that has posted about this multiple times already) I still wouldn't put it beyond the pale. I remember last year (when the photos were leaked) when people were saying similar things to the above and still a new core set came out.

do we need one with every movie? of course not, but if FFG/Disney can get a boost in sales each year by promoting a new movie with a new core set, why wouldn't they?

of course, all of this is simply based on assumption. I have no sales data about how the last core set sold (let alone specifically at Target) and the numbers might suggest you are spot on, but if they DID see a boost last year, why WOULDN'T they do it again this year?

note: this, of course, removes any emotion from the decision such as concerns over damage decks or the impact of more cardboard going wasted and is purely based on a hypothetical boost in sales that I have no way of validating. Your point about this "core" having no expansions throwing the whole thing into doubt makes complete sense and isn't something I'd considered previously.

and I completely understand the OP's point but - having always worked in the Enterprise and not Retail - if his point about things being discontinued were accurate, i would have thought that might actually make a stronger case for them getting a new Core set in? They're not selling it to make space, but if the distributor has said "no more of the TFA core are coming your way", that doesn't actually make the case that they wouldn't say "but here's some NEW core sets that we think will see an increase in sales."

from me this is all idle but pleasant speculation. I don't "need' a new core set - I certainly don't need any new cardboard - but if one IS released, I'd happily buy it. Just like I bought a TFA core the day after Force Friday last year.

I guess we'll see in a few weeks but whilst I don't have a particularly strong belief this WILL happen, I'd likely be just as surprised if it didn't.

but if FFG/Disney can get a boost in sales each year by promoting a new movie with a new core set, why wouldn't they?

There's actually a number of reasons why they wouldn't. The biggest is they make very little money off a core set. The whole point of a core set is to get people into the game so they'll buy the expansions.

Given a choice between a new core set and simply releasing two new ships as part of a wave, they are better off putting them in the wave.

Plus there's the issue of packaging, shelf space, and even if people will buy a 3rd version of the core set.

As I said.

Last year there was 3 sku nobody knew what they were.

They turned out to be tfa core set, tie expansion, and t-70 expansion.

This year we have just one sku. If it was another core, why only 1 sku? If history is correct they've always released a core and two expansion to go along with it. So right there tells me people are wrong.

Second target had the original core set on clearance years ago. It was only 2-3 years after that did they get the second core set. So again unless they are making room for 2-3 years down the road, that definitely does not mean a new core set is on its way.

Lastly we did see what appeared to be a leaked image that some claimed was fake of a scum huge ship. The claims I've seen about it being fake did not seem concrete. With ffg releasing the gozanti cruiser after wave 6 has been dropped, plus the raider, tantive and transport for rebels, I'm sure they've had a scum huge ship in production for awhile. Therefore it makes the most sense that the mystery sku is a scum huge ship. The star viper has been needing a fix pretty much right away, and including one with a huge ship is very likely. Just as ffg did with the XWing with the transport, and the advanced with the raider.

I could be totally wrong, but I believe the points I've made are much more valid reasons compared to what others are saying. An item going on clearance is in fact not enough to go by. Yes there is a new movie, but ffg does not have to have a release for every movie asap.

People seem to forget that XWing miniature while popular is still a very niche market. Disney will make their money off of the toys, clothing lines, and selling the rights for candy bar companies to plaster star wars all over it. Don't kid yourselves and think Disney is relying heavily on XWing miniatures. This is a drop in the bucket compared to what other revenue they'll bring in

Lastly if tfa wasn't enough to interest new players into getting into the game, I doubt a standalone movie is going to entice them to buy into it. The only people who would are those of us already in the game. Again a very small fraction of a drop in the bucket, plus if they are selling core sets at clearance price then I guess it didn't get a whole lot of new players. Hot items tend to fly off the shelves

but if FFG/Disney can get a boost in sales each year by promoting a new movie with a new core set, why wouldn't they?

There's actually a number of reasons why they wouldn't. The biggest is they make very little money off a core set. The whole point of a core set is to get people into the game so they'll buy the expansions.

Given a choice between a new core set and simply releasing two new ships as part of a wave, they are better off putting them in the wave.

Plus there's the issue of packaging, shelf space, and even if people will buy a 3rd version of the core set.

Without wanting to sound confrontational, how do you know their margins on core vs expansions? And there are PLENTY of expansions for people to buy once they get the core, as was also the case last year. Sure, they wouldn't be able to double-up on the squads in the Core set but it's not like there is a shortage of other ships to buy. And making little money off a product is perfectly acceptable as a loss leader if it generates more sales, so I would go back to the earlier "without data we are speculating" train of thought.

If your comments are based on data, please share, if they are based on assumptions then we can go round and round all day but will only find out for sure on Force Friday.

Without solid numbers, you can still make a pretty decent comparison of the contents of the core vs expansions and the comparative prices and go from there.

TFA core set MSRP ~$40

1 T-70 model, 2 TIE/FO models

13 pilot cards

5 upgrade cards

3 dials

33 damage cards

6 dice

6 target locks

3 crit tokens

3 stress

4 focus

4 evade

7 shield

18 ID tokens

initiative token

squadmate token

23 mission tokens

manuever templates

asteroid tokens

vs 1 T70 XP, 2 TIE FO xp, Dice set, total MSRP ~ $51

1 T-70 model, 2 TIE/FO models

16 pilot cards

9 upgrade cards

3 dials

6 dice

6 target locks

3 crit tokens

5 stress

4 focus

4 evade

5 shield

18 ID tokens

So for $11 less MSRP, you are looking at 3 less pilot sized cards, 29 more small cards, 2 more shield tokens, and a full set of manuever, asteroid, and mission tokens more in the starter. Plus the more complex packaging, rules booklets, and larger size.

As I said.

Last year there was 3 sku nobody knew what they were.

They turned out to be tfa core set, tie expansion, and t-70 expansion.

This year we have just one sku. If it was another core, why only 1 sku? If history is correct they've always released a core and two expansion to go along with it. So right there tells me people are wrong.

Except maybe the Striker and the U-wing might be after the current SKUs we've seen. So it doesnt mean you are right based on just one SKU number being shown. Also doesnt mean you are wrong either.

But if you think that FFG is going to waste an opportunity of banking a bunch of money based on the new movie, right away, and putting the ships out as close to the movie as possible makes the most sense for that money to capitalie on the move hype you would be mistaken, so is everyone else that thinks that.

As I said.

Last year there was 3 sku nobody knew what they were.

They turned out to be tfa core set, tie expansion, and t-70 expansion.

This year we have just one sku. If it was another core, why only 1 sku? If history is correct they've always released a core and two expansion to go along with it. So right there tells me people are wrong.

Except maybe the Striker and the U-wing might be after the current SKUs we've seen. So it doesnt mean you are right based on just one SKU number being shown. Also doesnt mean you are wrong either.

But if you think that FFG is going to waste an opportunity of banking a bunch of money based on the new movie, right away, and putting the ships out as close to the movie as possible makes the most sense for that money to capitalie on the move hype you would be mistaken, so is everyone else that thinks that.

What I am saying is whatever it is, there is only 1 sku.

So if it is from the new movie then both ships have to be in the one box. I highly doubt that.

If people think it's a core set then I'll be back to say i told you so when it's final announced

They probably would just release each in its own expansion, so there should be two sku not one.

They definitely would not release a core with new ships then not include each ship in its own separate expansion.

I think I've given more reasons than any other as to why it's not a core set, and very likely a huge ship. I could be wrong, maybe it's an ace pack for scum, or campaign for the new movie.

But I'll tell you what it's not. It's not a new core. And it's not an expansion with two ships in one box

It'll be a huge ship, scum aces, or at least a campaign with new movie ships.

People need to realize that this product will sell new movie or not. It could be a potato on a stick, so long as it has cool pilot cards, upgrades and sweet dial, everyone who plays XWing will buy it.

Don't kid yourselves. Disney isn't going to fall apart because ffg doesn't release something along side a movie release. This game is a very niche market. It's their toy line and clothing line that brings in the big bucks

I'm not saying they aren't releasing the new ships.

What I am saying is whatever it is, there is only 1 sku.

So if it is from the new movie then both ships have to be in the one box. I highly doubt that.

If people think it's a core set then I'll be back to say i told you so when it's final announced

They probably would just release each in its own expansion, so there should be two sku not one.

They definitely would not release a core with new ships then not include each ship in its own separate expansion.

I think I've given more reasons than any other as to why it's not a core set, and very likely a huge ship. I could be wrong, maybe it's an ace pack for scum, or campaign for the new movie.

But I'll tell you what it's not. It's not a new core. And it's not an expansion with two ships in one box

It'll be a huge ship, scum aces, or at least a campaign with new movie ships.

People need to realize that this product will sell new movie or not. It could be a potato on a stick, so long as it has cool pilot cards, upgrades and sweet dial, everyone who plays XWing will buy it.

Don't kid yourselves. Disney isn't going to fall apart because ffg doesn't release something along side a movie release. This game is a very niche market. It's their toy line and clothing line that brings in the big bucks

Um and you missed my comment about that there could be 2 more skus at the end of the wave that we dont know about! So it could be 3 or more skus, and just only one that we know is in the middle of 2 waves.

Aces pack for scum, epic for scum? Really I doubt that, I honestly do, they'd of shown those at GENCON! Why would they miss the opportunity for showing it off at Gencon if it was something they legall could show at the con. They wouldnt!

The reason they didnt show us what that SKU is at Gencon, is since they can't legally show us until September30th, since it is GOING to be ROGUE ONE related. And it probably will get2 more SKUs at the end of the wave that relate to the Striker and U-wing.

Given me reason to not think its a core set, no you have NOT done that AT ALL. You've pointed out your reasoning, and its bad.

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Oh and as for your statement "potato on a stic" an people will buy it...have you seen the amount of hate the Quadjumper and Sabine's Tie are getting right now. There are plenty of people that are saying they wont buy them sicne they arent interesting ships. So if it as a potato, I'm sure SOME people would buy them and others would not.

I'm not saying they aren't releasing the new ships.

What I am saying is whatever it is, there is only 1 sku.

So if it is from the new movie then both ships have to be in the one box. I highly doubt that.

If people think it's a core set then I'll be back to say i told you so when it's final announced

They probably would just release each in its own expansion, so there should be two sku not one.

They definitely would not release a core with new ships then not include each ship in its own separate expansion.

I think I've given more reasons than any other as to why it's not a core set, and very likely a huge ship. I could be wrong, maybe it's an ace pack for scum, or campaign for the new movie.

But I'll tell you what it's not. It's not a new core. And it's not an expansion with two ships in one box

It'll be a huge ship, scum aces, or at least a campaign with new movie ships.

People need to realize that this product will sell new movie or not. It could be a potato on a stick, so long as it has cool pilot cards, upgrades and sweet dial, everyone who plays XWing will buy it.

Don't kid yourselves. Disney isn't going to fall apart because ffg doesn't release something along side a movie release. This game is a very niche market. It's their toy line and clothing line that brings in the big bucks

Um and you missed my comment about that there could be 2 more skus at the end of the wave that we dont know about! So it could be 3 or more skus, and just only one that we know is in the middle of 2 waves.

Aces pack for scum, epic for scum? Really I doubt that, I honestly do, they'd of shown those at GENCON! Why would they miss the opportunity for showing it off at Gencon if it was something they legall could show at the con. They wouldnt!

The reason they didnt show us what that SKU is at Gencon, is since they can't legally show us until September30th, since it is GOING to be ROGUE ONE related. And it probably will get2 more SKUs at the end of the wave that relate to the Striker and U-wing.

Given me reason to not think its a core set, no you have NOT done that AT ALL. You've pointed out your reasoning, and its bad.

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Oh and as for your statement "potato on a stic" an people will buy it...have you seen the amount of hate the Quadjumper and Sabine's Tie are getting right now. There are plenty of people that are saying they wont buy them sicne they arent interesting ships. So if it as a potato, I'm sure SOME people would buy them and others would not.

Simply target is clearancing an old core set is not enough to go by. That's the only argument I've seen.

Maybe the missing sku has a tie in with the movie but it's not a core set.

I'll repeat because people seem to not understand the way ffg has done things. If we look at past history EVERY core set had two expansions to go along with it. Released at the same time. Why would they change that now?

Why and the hell would the release a core set and then release an expansion for it months down the road? Why the hell must it be a new core set anyway? Seriously? A year after they released a second? That doesn't make any sense.

I can admit I maybe wrong (lord knows others can't) and maybe it is something rogue one related, but it's not going to be a core set

I've seen people bash ships from nearly every waves. Guess what? In the end they still buy them. So again potato on a stick? People would bash it, then buy it once it's released. Same as they'll ***** and moan about the new tie and quad jumper, then realize it's not that bad, or it has something else that they'll wan, such as an upgrade card.

ultimate logic against U-Wing/Tie Striker core set

THE GAME IS CALLED X-WING

it would confuse the average non-invested buyer who walks by and see a star wars board game called "x-Wing" when there are no bloody x-wings in the box.

ultimate logic against U-Wing/Tie Striker core set

THE GAME IS CALLED X-WING

it would confuse the average non-invested buyer who walks by and see a star wars board game called "x-Wing" when there are no bloody x-wings in the box.

I've given a lot more reason as tk why it's not a core than you or others have.

Simply target is clearancing an old core set is not enough to go by. That's the only argument I've seen.

Maybe the missing sku has a tie in with the movie but it's not a core set.

I'll repeat because people seem to not understand the way ffg has done things. If we look at past history EVERY core set had two expansions to go along with it. Released at the same time. Why would they change that now?

Why and the hell would the release a core set and then release an expansion for it months down the road? Why the hell must it be a new core set anyway? Seriously? A year after they released a second? That doesn't make any sense.

I can admit I maybe wrong (lord knows others can't) and maybe it is something rogue one related, but it's not going to be a core set

I've seen people bash ships from nearly every waves. Guess what? In the end they still buy them. So again potato on a stick? People would bash it, then buy it once it's released. Same as they'll ***** and moan about the new tie and quad jumper, then realize it's not that bad, or it has something else that they'll wan, such as an upgrade card.

I have not once used the fact that Target is making room for the core by putting the TFA one on clearance as a reason I think this movie will get one. Not Once, because honestly Target puts stuff on clearance all the time.

I actually gave a few reasons why, and you havent given me any reason yet to think that FFG wont release another core. ..I guess you missed them, I even gave reasons on why I think Rogue One will get a core over other movies (like the Fett and Han Solo ones- which dont deserve core sets due to the nature of the films).

The missing SKU certainly has a tie in with Rogue One. I've given plenty of reason on why it will be.

Now i'm not 100% certain it will be a core, but it is more likely than not....but that also doesnt mean you are right on it not being a core.

asAfor your argument about FFG releasing a 3rd core a year after a 2nd, I guess you doubt that FFG would try to make money on a new movie. You and others thinking it is too early between gettign a coreset isnt evidence at all on FFG's business plan. Sorry you can think its too early or not a gooddiea, and that will not stop a corporation from releasing a produc t that will make them money...especially if they have a contract with Disney to put a new bo in big stores like Target etc, every movie (again I dont know if there is such a contract- there might be just an agreement with Disney to make ships based on stuff in Rebels and new movies in general).

Also again I'm not saying they wont be releasing the Striker and U-wing months down the road, but that they are going to be added immediately to the wave...and come out with the wave (or even just come out in December the day the movie comes out) At the end sku wise to the wave. so it goes- New mystery box (missing Sku), then the wave ships we know of, then lastly the U-wing and the Striker! you keep harping on the fact that things in the wave have to come after the missing skus, and you are wrong about that, they do not have to have all the Rogue One stuff in 3 or more consecutive numbers.

And yes you are right bout there being people buy ing the potato...do you even read what I said. Now whether they will bash it and then buy otit or not, well that is up to them. Read what I actually said, I said some wont, and some will. I think you honestly are just quoting my comment without reading it.

You keep dealing in absolutes based on your thinking. On the other hand I'm saying there is a possibility of it being a core (it might not be), and a absolute certainty of it being Rogue One related. Likely with 2 more RogueOne ships (coming out at the same time!) that arent shown as missing SKUs because they are at the end of the wave, and so wedont know they have numbers or not.

Lastly, hell maybe the mystery box is Striker and U-wing together in some sort of corss faction box, that has some other stuff (maybe some scenarios based on the movie) in it. Remember this- I said maybe- I dont even think this s true, just a odd idea/theory if FFG thinks it might sell.

As said above, it is very likely a new core set could be Rogue One themed and NOT have the U-Wing/TIE Striker - it could very likely be the black and grey x-wing that we've seen in the Rogue One images. FFG's surprise X-Wing fixes, incoming.

Also, people keep saying that a new core would mean a new damage deck. I don't think so. The original damage deck had balance issues - I think that the TFA core was merely an opportunity to fix that. A new Rogue One core will likely have the same damage deck as the TFA core, imo.

What benefit would a new core set bring to the game at this point? Keeping with the logic that it would include an X-Wing and 2 Tie Fighters. Does it have to? No. But the game is called X-Wing, and a core set that has anything but would be confusing to the target audience of a core set... newbies.

IF anything, I'm thinking an X-Wing 2.0 Core set would be more realistic with Rouge One branding. But to me even that is a stretch.

Rouge One will get expansions. I would bet they would be U Wing, Tie Striker, T65 upgrade, Tie Fighter.... because Tie's.

What benefit would a new core set bring to the game at this point? Keeping with the logic that it would include an X-Wing and 2 Tie Fighters. Does it have to? No. But the game is called X-Wing, and a core set that has anything but would be confusing to the target audience of a core set... newbies.

IF anything, I'm thinking an X-Wing 2.0 Core set would be more realistic with Rouge One branding. But to me even that is a stretch.

Rouge One will get expansions. I would bet they would be U Wing, Tie Striker, T65 upgrade, Tie Fighter.... because Tie's.

There doesnt have to be an in game benefit. There certainly has been no in game benefits to some of FFG's other releases in othergames.

I agree though that it might contain an Xwing, or just have a Rogue One related wing blister/bo...God I hope it does since this would be a perfect tie in to the movie and give a fix to the Xwing while at it.

And I also think there will be Striker, and Uwing epansions, and likely released in December on the day the movie comes out...we'll find out on September 30th on what is coming.

If they do release a new core, the most I can see is a re-release the original core with the new damage deck and the most recent rules revision and possibly new pilots/upgrades. I don't see them doing more than that.

FFG did originally say that the new damage deck would replace the old in tournaments, but they backed off on that. If they re-release the original box with new toys, that might indicate they still plan to phase out the old deck.

Just throwing this out there, but theres two core sets. What if they are making room for the OT core set plus the RO U/tie box set. Hope hope hope. The new movie fits in the same time line as the OT. So, who knows really. Wishful thinking.

Just throwing this out there, but theres two core sets. What if they are making room for the OT core set plus the RS U/tie box set. Hope hope hope. The new movie fits in the same time line as the OT. So, who knows really. Wishful thinking.

The OT core set brought back at Target to match the most recent Galactic Civil War era movie, while they announce a Rogue One SKU. That sounds good to me.

I think there is possibility in a new core set and that most may not see it that way because out of a few years in this game, only a couple core sets have been released. However, when the game started, there was no definite yearly starwars movie in the making for FFG to take and advantage of, because as wave 10 has shown, FFG is starting to rely on canon ships that are showing up on the big screen. There could be a u wing and tie striker expansion pack, but why go through that when they could make a new core to hold all the new content in a somewhat familiar fashion. Although whatever they do with the Rogue one ships, I'd be interested to see how they will fit them if doing a conjoined pack with both the empire's striker and the rebellions u wing.