Mostly I was unsure how the list was beating Dengaroo, if indeed it met Dengaroo. Because all you do is slap RecSpec on Manaroo and suddenly Wes isn't a counter anymore.

Doesn't seem that bad. Even with Rec Spec, Wes ensures that you only have one focus token to spend on offense or defense, because that other one is going bye-bye. Dengar's double-tap only allows him to shoot Biggs if Biggs attacks him first, and he's still going to be limited in his damage by R4-D6. And Corran's own double tap should be able to rock Dengar pretty hard with FCS.

Dengar didn't have overclocked R4?

Do people actually use Overclocked Dengar with Rec Spec Manaroo? That seems like overkill, unless you are fully planning on facing Wes.

Mostly I was unsure how the list was beating Dengaroo, if indeed it met Dengaroo. Because all you do is slap RecSpec on Manaroo and suddenly Wes isn't a counter anymore.

Doesn't seem that bad. Even with Rec Spec, Wes ensures that you only have one focus token to spend on offense or defense, because that other one is going bye-bye. Dengar's double-tap only allows him to shoot Biggs if Biggs attacks him first, and he's still going to be limited in his damage by R4-D6. And Corran's own double tap should be able to rock Dengar pretty hard with FCS.

Dengar didn't have overclocked R4?

Do people actually use Overclocked Dengar with Rec Spec Manaroo? That seems like overkill, unless you are fully planning on facing Wes.

it does, but I'm more surprised people get anywhere with painbot Dengar as opposed to OCr4 (painbot manny makes sense)

not to derail the thread with ARCs again (too late) but I wanted to test my build against Dengaroo to see if they could just run through him instead of futilely trying to chase manaroo (ARCs are slow )

it was a recspec manny + painbot variant, and it dropped into two rounds. Didn't even lose Biggs.

vaguely remembering the amount of green focus he rolled, I think he could've lasted one more. Not sure if it would've helped in that specific match-up (turns out the ARCs hit hard), but there are just so many rolls you'll want to have focus for

there's the actual attack

there's at least a single defense roll (the attack that triggers your ability)

and there's the return attack

which is already 3 focus

'T-65 Wins Gencon!!!!!!11111'

Wait what? It was Uboats and Party Bus?

'T-65 Wins North American Championship!!!XDXD NERF T-65 AMIRITE?????'

Wait what? It was Palp Aces?

Oh.

Wait a minute!

What the Hell was FFG O.P. (yeah you kn ow me) tweeting on Twitter. I twought it was the Trip6 and 2 JM5k's ??

so confused, I guess I'll read all the posts in this thread.

ah man

okay, I get the sarcasm, but there used to be a lot of griping about Biggs

because Biggs has the best **** pilot ability in the game ("Best" here meaning "most game warping", nothing really forces your opponent's hand like Biggles can)

and I really don't want him to change because how the hell am I supposed to fly my ARCs without them dying on the **** approach if I don't have Mr. Mustachioed Meatshield to help me out?

Dude, it cracks me up how excited you are about those dumb ARCS.... lol

I'd rather read Fickle typing A-R-C over P-W-T any day of the week!

vaguely remembering the amount of green focus he rolled, I think he could've lasted one more. Not sure if it would've helped in that specific match-up (turns out the ARCs hit hard), but there are just so many rolls you'll want to have focus for

What are you putting on the ARC-170s?

Mostly I was unsure how the list was beating Dengaroo, if indeed it met Dengaroo. Because all you do is slap RecSpec on Manaroo and suddenly Wes isn't a counter anymore.

Doesn't seem that bad. Even with Rec Spec, Wes ensures that you only have one focus token to spend on offense or defense, because that other one is going bye-bye. Dengar's double-tap only allows him to shoot Biggs if Biggs attacks him first, and he's still going to be limited in his damage by R4-D6. And Corran's own double tap should be able to rock Dengar pretty hard with FCS.

Dengar didn't have overclocked R4?

Do people actually use Overclocked Dengar with Rec Spec Manaroo? That seems like overkill, unless you are fully planning on facing Wes.

it does, but I'm more surprised people get anywhere with painbot Dengar as opposed to OCr4 (painbot manny makes sense)

Painbot Dengar is my usual preference. You have Lone Wolf to help with rerolls, plus two focus tokens from Manaroo, plus you're going to be riding the Glitterstim Pony for another one of those turns. You also have Countermeasures for an extra green die to fail you with Lone Wolf. In the current meta, once you get one ship down, two focus tokens is usually plenty.

It's RNG, so I wouldn't expect you in particular to be a fan of it, but the Jerkbot usually does a pretty good amount of work.

List juggler shows swiss rank and championship rank. Championship is what matters. Though a great list, well flown, the 2xt65, a wing list did not win.

GenCON finals was between 2 Scouts and a party bus vs Autoblaster decked out double Ghost and a Y - wing.

First time no named pilots in GenCON finals.

Maybe the OP is referring to another country other than the US.

ah man

okay, I get the sarcasm, but there used to be a lot of griping about Biggs

because Biggs has the best **** pilot ability in the game ("Best" here meaning "most game warping", nothing really forces your opponent's hand like Biggles can)

and I really don't want him to change because how the hell am I supposed to fly my ARCs without them dying on the **** approach if I don't have Mr. Mustachioed Meatshield to help me out?

Dude, it cracks me up how excited you are about those dumb ARCS.... lol

they're so cool though

Norra (PTL, r2-d2, vectored thrusters, Tailgunner)

Thane (R7-t1, Plasma Torpedoes, G-chips, Tailgunner)

Biggs (r4-d6, integrated)

made basically with Dengaroo in mind, as using Braylen (gunner r3-a2) would basically relegate you to hunting manaroo, and that's just annoying. These guys go through

turns out Tailgunner with aux arc crits is morbidly effective against the big guy

Norra (PTL, r2-d2, vectored thrusters, Tailgunner)

Thane (R7-t1, Plasma Torpedoes, G-chips, Tailgunner)

Biggs (r4-d6, integrated)

made basically with Dengaroo in mind, as using Braylen (gunner r3-a2) would basically relegate you to hunting manaroo, and that's just annoying. These guys go through

turns out Tailgunner with aux arc crits is morbidly effective against the big guy

Thane with R7-T1 and Biggs around must be awesome for setting up shots.

Hello, Corran...

So how about a chain lightsaber? Is that messy enough?

I was surprised to find no one posting fail gifs cause OP is wrong.

This one is alright.

Who has better Star Wars fails?

I thought that the Gencon finals were 2 U-Boats and a Partybus beating a Y-Wing and pair of Lothal Rebels all with Autoblaster turrets.

It was. OP was confused

as long as he didn't hurt himself in his confusion.

Winning List at GenCon 2016:

Corran Horn + Veteran Instincts + Fire-Control System + R2-D2 Wes Janson + Veteran Instincts + R3-A2 + Integrated Astromech Biggs Darklighter + R4-D6 + Integrated Astromech

I'm sick and tired of Rebels using their underpowered T-65's to win major tournaments. Please FFG, do something about this. If not, I will be forced to write a heartfelt post on here telling everyone why I am leaving x-wing when really I could just leave quietly.

Your pal,

Imperial Lover69

That cool, but Palp Aces is still overpowered and still ruins the game. It still severely restricts what lists you can run. If you're building a list and it cannot deal with an Acewing, nope, in the trash it goes. And that's quite a significant portion of lists in the game.

Pre-nerf Phantoms didn't always win large events either.

Mostly I was unsure how the list was beating Dengaroo, if indeed it met Dengaroo. Because all you do is slap RecSpec on Manaroo and suddenly Wes isn't a counter anymore.

Doesn't seem that bad. Even with Rec Spec, Wes ensures that you only have one focus token to spend on offense or defense, because that other one is going bye-bye. Dengar's double-tap only allows him to shoot Biggs if Biggs attacks him first, and he's still going to be limited in his damage by R4-D6. And Corran's own double tap should be able to rock Dengar pretty hard with FCS.

Dengar didn't have overclocked R4?

Do people actually use Overclocked Dengar with Rec Spec Manaroo? That seems like overkill, unless you are fully planning on facing Wes.

I use Overclocked Dengaroo. What you can do is just Focus with Dengar and focus with Manaroo. Then Wes does nothing.

The same can be done against 4-LOM crew. Dengar and Manaroo both focused and Dengar got both focus tokens. I attacked and chose to use overclocked to keep both tokens, and my opponent was puzzled and I had to explain to him it was to prevent his 4-LOM crew from triggering.

You can do the same with Palob, he can only steal one. Palob's ability also happens in the same timing window as Manaroo's ability, so you can game it and rob the Palob player of his ability. If the Palob player has initiative, he triggers it before Dengar gets the focus. Then Dengar gets his focus after Palob had his chance for his ability, haha.

I don't think going rec spec with overclocked on Dengar is a bad idea as it allows you to go unstressed easier, but there are better options for crew on Manaroo like Gonk or K4 Security Droid if you have overclocked Dengar.

Winning List at GenCon 2016:

Corran Horn + Veteran Instincts + Fire-Control System + R2-D2 Wes Janson + Veteran Instincts + R3-A2 + Integrated Astromech Biggs Darklighter + R4-D6 + Integrated Astromech

I'm sick and tired of Rebels using their underpowered T-65's to win major tournaments. Please FFG, do something about this. If not, I will be forced to write a heartfelt post on here telling everyone why I am leaving x-wing when really I could just leave quietly.

Your pal,

Imperial Lover69

That cool, but Palp Aces is still overpowered and still ruins the game. It still severely restricts what lists you can run. If you're building a list and it cannot deal with an Acewing, nope, in the trash it goes. And that's quite a significant portion of lists in the game.

Pre-nerf Phantoms didn't always win large events either.

Haha, nice....but I kind of agree. Hot ****.....you have to build lists that deals with Acewing, Turretwing, Joustwing, Torpedowing, Stresswing, Swarmwing, Bombwing, Fatwing, Partywing, Shenaniganswing, Initiativebidwing, Metawing...... It severely restricts what lists you can run.

Thread wouldn't be complete (no matter the actual topic) without the traditional ParaGoomba's post about OP palp aces ruining the game.

I use Overclocked Dengaroo. What you can do is just Focus with Dengar and focus with Manaroo. Then Wes does nothing.

He does quite a lot actually. Sure, you can focus with both Dengar and Manaroo but it will only work the first round unless:

- you don't use Zuckuss - if you do, Dengar will be too stressed to focus

- you don't use OC4 - well, technically speaking you can use him once (if Wes didn't use R3-A2, which he well might have) but then you are limited to greens which makes it hard to keep target in arcs

- you don't move through debris (s-looping through them is a common method used by Dengaroo players to keep targets in arcs without being outmaneuvered)

In other words, you'll be limited to effectively one focus per round and no re-rolling of enemy's green dice or you will have no focus past round 1. That's a very serious blow to Dengaroo's efficiency. RecSpec on Manny does work tho.

Thread wouldn't be complete (no matter the actual topic) without the traditional ParaGoomba's post about OP palp aces ruining the game.

I use Overclocked Dengaroo. What you can do is just Focus with Dengar and focus with Manaroo. Then Wes does nothing.

He does quite a lot actually. Sure, you can focus with both Dengar and Manaroo but it will only work the first round unless:

- you don't use Zuckuss - if you do, Dengar will be too stressed to focus

- you don't use OC4 - well, technically speaking you can use him once (if Wes didn't use R3-A2, which he well might have) but then you are limited to greens which makes it hard to keep target in arcs

- you don't move through debris (s-looping through them is a common method used by Dengaroo players to keep targets in arcs without being outmaneuvered)

In other words, you'll be limited to effectively one focus per round and no re-rolling of enemy's green dice or you will have no focus past round 1. That's a very serious blow to Dengaroo's efficiency. RecSpec on Manny does work tho.

If Wes uses his ability, Dengar gets a free shot at him. Same every round (well, assuming arc of course, but that's a reasonable assumption). Biggs can't stop the revenge shot, because the revenge shot has no way of targetting him. Same with a HLC IGB gunner effect when Biggs is at R1. It usually would only take two shots on Wes from Dengaroo to kill him, maybe one at R1.

And yeah, RecSPec on Manaroo entirely obviates Wes in this context and is will worth doing anyway. EVen if you are using OCR4, the longer you can get away without stress, the better, it lets you reposition.

Revenge shot on Wes means delaying Bigg's demise though and spreading your firepower between 2 enemy targets. You're basically giving Biggs a free hand at shooting you without fear of reprisal. That's already quite bad. And no, Dengar will not be able to finish Wes off in 2 shots unless he's very lucky. Especially without RecSpec, since Wes will take Dengar's focus before he has the chance to shoot back.

As I said earlier, RecSpec can counter this. At a price, but still.

vaguely remembering the amount of green focus he rolled, I think he could've lasted one more. Not sure if it would've helped in that specific match-up (turns out the ARCs hit hard), but there are just so many rolls you'll want to have focus for

What are you putting on the ARC-170s?

Are we just declaring that certain lists won Gencon now and ignoring actual results?


GUYS!!! NERF THE SCYK FIGHTER!! A SIX SCYK LIST WON GENCON!!!!


PS: Gencon was actually won by Torp Scouts with a Party Bus, and they did not play against any X-Wings in the final...

You know, for those who bother themselves with the truth.

Nonono I heard it was two Klingon birds of prey and an icecream van.

Nonono I heard it was two Klingon birds of prey and an icecream van.

But the Shadowcaster isn't legal yet how could it have been that?

(I want to paint my YV as an ice cream van now, but it's already going to be a school bus)