Seen as this has devolved into 'Girls in Movies again'...

I'm against gender-bent reboots. What's the point of releasing the same movie when all that has changed is the gender of a character? To me, it means nothing about diversity. Ghostbusters is as much about the characters played by Murray et al, as it is about anything else. Changing their genders doesn't work for me. I feel similarly about changing the race or sexual orientation of characters who are already established. No black James Bond please.

Having said that - and assuming you can all get past the inevitable rage at the above - I DO firmly believe there should be more female and ethic minority leads in movies, comics, TV shows, whatever. But this needs to be done with fresh, original characters with their own history and their own characteristics appropriate to the actor/actress in the role.

To this end, I think Jyn and Rey were brilliant introductions to the franchise. We had Luke, Han, Obi-wan and Anakin and they were great. Well, maybe not Anakin. But these look great, and I can't wait to see this movie.

TL:DR - Jyn good, movie looks good, hurry December.

Racebending already happens enough when characters are whitewashed. Ghost in The Shell, for example - OK, Kusanagi is a cyborg, sure, and a white actress playing a Japanese brain in an off-the-shelf-with-some-upgrades full body prosthesis would be clever. IF Hollywood hadn't had a long history of simply erasing Asian ethnicities. I agree with George Takei - write a character that shows what you want them to show. Don't fiddle with it because it'll score you diversity points.

Shows like the Expanse do it right. The book says we need a 6 foot Polynesian woman with muscles. We go find a 6 foot Polynesian woman with muscles.

When I write my characters, I don't tick checkboxes. I don't have to tick checkboxes because I have all kinds of diverse people to draw inspiration from. You want an interplay of sufficiently different people to give your story volume.

Also, you know what my wife's comment was?

Star Wars is too human-centric, including Rogue One.

Casting women in the lead/prominent roles =/= trying to push an agenda. Yeah, both TFA and now RO have female leads, but they have in no way been marketed as progressive, 'girl power', empowering, feminist movies. They're simply Star Wars films that happen to have women as the protagonist. That's the major difference between them, and something like the Ghost Busters reboot. Ghost Busters majorly played up the whole feminist message, using it to generate 'controversy' (read: publicity) and also to silence and dismiss any critics of the film as 'sexist'. In reality, the film sucked because it was yet another insipid, unnecessary, uncreative reboot of a beloved franchise and also it just wasn't funny (which is, you know, meant to be the main objective of a comedy film). The fact it starred women was irrelevant, but when the studio starts trying to use that fact to slander anyone who disliked their crap movie, that's when it starts becoming a problem.

Surely, true gender equality in films would be a 50/50 split between male and female leads. And we've had 6 Star Wars films with male leads, so from a purely logical standpoint, we should have 6 films with female leads. I doubt that will happen, and it would seem a little odd perhaps to make every protagonist in all the upcoming films female, but having 2 films like that is perfectly okay. Also, saying that they are just male characters with female faces is kind of ignorant. Star Wars (and films in general) have many different tropes and character templates which you see resued all over the place, just with slight alterations. The fact that some of the female leads share traits with some of the male leads is inevitable. Was Anakin a carbon copy of Luke, just because they were both kids from a remote desert planet who discover their force power and end up orphaned? There's MORE similarity between those two than between Luke and Rey, and yet I don't see anyone claiming that they're the same character, or even if they think that, they don't care.

Seen as this has devolved into 'Girls in Movies again'...

I'm against gender-bent reboots. What's the point of releasing the same movie when all that has changed is the gender of a character? To me, it means nothing about diversity. Ghostbusters is as much about the characters played by Murray et al, as it is about anything else. Changing their genders doesn't work for me. I feel similarly about changing the race or sexual orientation of characters who are already established. No black James Bond please.

Having said that - and assuming you can all get past the inevitable rage at the above - I DO firmly believe there should be more female and ethic minority leads in movies, comics, TV shows, whatever. But this needs to be done with fresh, original characters with their own history and their own characteristics appropriate to the actor/actress in the role.

To this end, I think Jyn and Rey were brilliant introductions to the franchise. We had Luke, Han, Obi-wan and Anakin and they were great. Well, maybe not Anakin. But these look great, and I can't wait to see this movie.

TL:DR - Jyn good, movie looks good, hurry December.

Racebending already happens enough when characters are whitewashed. Ghost in The Shell, for example - OK, Kusanagi is a cyborg, sure, and a white actress playing a Japanese brain in an off-the-shelf-with-some-upgrades full body prosthesis would be clever. IF Hollywood hadn't had a long history of simply erasing Asian ethnicities. I agree with George Takei - write a character that shows what you want them to show. Don't fiddle with it because it'll score you diversity points.

Shows like the Expanse do it right. The book says we need a 6 foot Polynesian woman with muscles. We go find a 6 foot Polynesian woman with muscles.

I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm not a big anime fan, but I imagine there is a fair amount of whitewashing for American and European audiences.

It's not great for book remakes as well. If the character is written as black, asian, native american, whatever, portray them that way in the movie.

I like that the large shuttle looks like a cross between the Lambda and the Trade federation landing craft.

I think it is going to be better than Episode VII... but that´s not difficult

Is the guy at 0:57 in the trailer confirmed to be blind? He kinda looks blind to me. Or is that just his natural eye color?

Is the guy at 0:57 in the trailer confirmed to be blind? He kinda looks blind to me. Or is that just his natural eye color?

Calling it: a Rogue One starter box featuring a big T-65 buff and two TIE Strikers. U-Wing sold separately.

Why is everyone convinced they'll do yet another Core set?

Core sets have to be mechanically straightforward. They don't include fix cards (because a blatant autoinclude being the first thing they see is going to give new players a poor impression of the balance state) or anything that doesn't play to the core mechanics: you get a straightforward X-wing and two straightforward TIE fighters. The TIE striker, the U-wing and a new X-wing are things we're likely to see, but as expansions.

Is the guy at 0:57 in the trailer confirmed to be blind? He kinda looks blind to me. Or is that just his natural eye color?

If you mean Donnie Yen's character Chirrut Imwe, yes, he's blind.

But he uses the Force to fight with sticks.

So, basically, he's Daredevil.

Calling it: a Rogue One starter box featuring a big T-65 buff and two TIE Strikers. U-Wing sold separately.

Why is everyone convinced they'll do yet another Core set?

Core sets have to be mechanically straightforward. They don't include fix cards (because a blatant autoinclude being the first thing they see is going to give new players a poor impression of the balance state) or anything that doesn't play to the core mechanics: you get a straightforward X-wing and two straightforward TIE fighters. The TIE striker, the U-wing and a new X-wing are things we're likely to see, but as expansions.

Am I everyone? Wow, who knew I had such influence?!?!

I am in a good mood and very hopeful for this film. Thinking about STAR WARS more than usual so I made a few more wonderful Boss Emotes!

I think we all want to see: (My Brand NEW Vader Emote) as opposed to what we kinda got in the trailer: (My Old Vader Emote).

My reaction:

"X-Wing! X-Wing! X-Wing!"

Can't wait to see a commercial that says: next Friday we will reveal when the next trailer launches.

I get that anything with SW tag on it generates a lot of hype but come on.

I agree it is getting very stupid... another thing is seeing all of our heroic men being turned into women... wonder which lovely black lady will play Lando?

**** You. Jan Ors Jyn Erso is awesome.

edit: Comment of my wife to the trailer: "WTF, is she really the ONLY! women in the whole group?" And yeah, kind of silly to have this over half a dozen men all arrange around one single women. It really IS silly.

Imma be a mean-ole-fat-man for a minute too...

Donnie is great and I have loved most of his stuff... BUT: he did not sling Storm Troopers around like rag dolls. He is not a Jedi, he is a Force Monk... kinds. If his stick was infussed with power via his meditations and it had a slight blue glow or something cool like that then I would buy it.

GURLS... I love 'em... but stop turning our men into women. We got GURL-Luke in TFA and now here comes GURL-Han... me is over it Queen-Kathy. Go be a strong woman in real life, that is fine, but keep your GURL-Stuff out of my STAR WARS!!!

Okay I am done being a mean-ole-fat-man... now.

This is going to be a good film.

(WE BETTER NOT SEE A GURL-LANDO!!!)

This movie is roughly the Dark Forces game... At least this movie is about trying to steal the Death Star plans, and the beginning of Dark Forces was them trying to steal the Death Star plans.

In Dark Forces you had the female Jan Ors. This is Jyn Erso in the same role.

Coming out with this movie they are not trying to change any roles from male to female to try to change any sort of gender bias... They are just taking the Star Wars story that existed and making it come to life.

Get over yourself. Females in the Star Wars universe are just as capable. They were fighters in the Rebellion all the way back to the Original Trilogy.

I am not on myself, and I love women.

What I do not like is seeing this trend of turning males into females. ghost gurlers flopped for a reason.

If they wanted to do Jan then dammit... do Jan.

Kinda looks like Jan Ors and Kyle's Jyn Erso and Cassian's ship they spend most the movie in ends up BEING that U-Wing, as opposed to their HWK-290.

But it seems to fill the exact same roll as small transport with dog fighting capabilities.

I watched it but thought it was just missing something but i cant put my finger on it... I like the trailer for Force awakens much better, but that doesn't mean the movie will be better or worst. As i thought the movie was just "OK to good"... really wish they would stick with one time line though.. This jumping back and forth is kind of annoying.. and since i am on a rant really wish they would do a REAL Rogue One and have it like the books kind of like a space based version of the old black sheep squadron TV show and make it a series, How could that NOT be a smash hit????

Can't wait to see a commercial that says: next Friday we will reveal when the next trailer launches.

I get that anything with SW tag on it generates a lot of hype but come on.

I agree it is getting very stupid... another thing is seeing all of our heroic men being turned into women... wonder which lovely black lady will play Lando?

**** You. Jan Ors Jyn Erso is awesome.

How happy would we of been if it WAS JAN... instead of Gurl-Han?

This looks like it will be a great Star Wars film, so we're all good then.

Seriously, I really don't get the GIRLS EWW thing. THere are precisely two female characters shown in all the trailers, and one of them is Mon Mothma, i.e. basically an NPC quest-giver.

The rest of the film looks to be a total sausage fest, except Jan Ors. Sorry, Jyn Erso. I'm not seeing how this is girls corrupting Star Wars? It has about the same gender balance as the OT - i.e. largely men.

You're seeing an agenda where there is none.

If the next film has a blatant Prince Lee in there replacing BELOVED Princess Leia that would aggravate me very much indeed...

Imma be a mean-ole-fat-man for a minute too...

Donnie is great and I have loved most of his stuff... BUT: he did not sling Storm Troopers around like rag dolls. He is not a Jedi, he is a Force Monk... kinds. If his stick was infussed with power via his meditations and it had a slight blue glow or something cool like that then I would buy it.

GURLS... I love 'em... but stop turning our men into women. We got GURL-Luke in TFA and now here comes GURL-Han... me is over it Queen-Kathy. Go be a strong woman in real life, that is fine, but keep your GURL-Stuff out of my STAR WARS!!!

Okay I am done being a mean-ole-fat-man... now.

This is going to be a good film.

(WE BETTER NOT SEE A GURL-LANDO!!!)

This movie is roughly the Dark Forces game... At least this movie is about trying to steal the Death Star plans, and the beginning of Dark Forces was them trying to steal the Death Star plans.

In Dark Forces you had the female Jan Ors. This is Jyn Erso in the same role.

Coming out with this movie they are not trying to change any roles from male to female to try to change any sort of gender bias... They are just taking the Star Wars story that existed and making it come to life.

Get over yourself. Females in the Star Wars universe are just as capable. They were fighters in the Rebellion all the way back to the Original Trilogy.

I am not on myself, and I love women.

What I do not like is seeing this trend of turning males into females. ghost gurlers flopped for a reason.

If they wanted to do Jan then dammit... do Jan.

Ghostbusters was hilarious and I'm sorry you can't handle pieces of your franchise being expanded to appeal to bigger audiences. Of all the trivial complaints, I think "main character is a girl" is the dumbest.

You are free to enjoy that plotted corporate agenda all you want to...

How happy would we of been if it WAS JAN... instead of Gurl-Han?

She's not "Gurl-Han". What on <insert planet of your choice> are you talking about? Not a bit like Han. A new character. Seems to be a good one.

I think arguing over the main character being a woman misses the real reason to be concerned: the fact that there's only like two shots with X-Wings in them, so the chances of it coming with a fix for the T-65 might be slim.

(Then again, we're getting a whole new ship that was literally only in one shot of TFA and blew up after being on screen for about half a second, so who knows)

I think arguing over the main character being a woman misses the real reason to be concerned: the fact that there's only like two shots with X-Wings in them, so the chances of it coming with a fix for the T-65 might be slim.

(Then again, we're getting a whole new ship that was literally only in one shot of TFA and blew up after being on screen for about half a second, so who knows)

I am thinking we could see anything from REBELS and the new films at this point... I like that plenty.

Imma be a mean-ole-fat-man for a minute too...

Donnie is great and I have loved most of his stuff... BUT: he did not sling Storm Troopers around like rag dolls. He is not a Jedi, he is a Force Monk... kinds. If his stick was infussed with power via his meditations and it had a slight blue glow or something cool like that then I would buy it.

GURLS... I love 'em... but stop turning our men into women. We got GURL-Luke in TFA and now here comes GURL-Han... me is over it Queen-Kathy. Go be a strong woman in real life, that is fine, but keep your GURL-Stuff out of my STAR WARS!!!

Okay I am done being a mean-ole-fat-man... now.

This is going to be a good film.

(WE BETTER NOT SEE A GURL-LANDO!!!)

This movie is roughly the Dark Forces game... At least this movie is about trying to steal the Death Star plans, and the beginning of Dark Forces was them trying to steal the Death Star plans.

In Dark Forces you had the female Jan Ors. This is Jyn Erso in the same role.

Coming out with this movie they are not trying to change any roles from male to female to try to change any sort of gender bias... They are just taking the Star Wars story that existed and making it come to life.

Get over yourself. Females in the Star Wars universe are just as capable. They were fighters in the Rebellion all the way back to the Original Trilogy.

I am not on myself, and I love women.

What I do not like is seeing this trend of turning males into females. ghost gurlers flopped for a reason.

If they wanted to do Jan then dammit... do Jan.

Ghostbusters was hilarious and I'm sorry you can't handle pieces of your franchise being expanded to appeal to bigger audiences. Of all the trivial complaints, I think "main character is a girl" is the dumbest.

You are free to enjoy that plotted corporate agenda all you want to...

Joe Boss Red Seven, on 12 Aug 2016 - 06:42 AM, said:

I think arguing over the main character being a woman misses the real reason to be concerned: the fact that there's only like two shots with X-Wings in them, so the chances of it coming with a fix for the T-65 might be slim.

(Then again, we're getting a whole new ship that was literally only in one shot of TFA and blew up after being on screen for about half a second, so who knows)

I am thinking we could see anything from REBELS and the new films at this point... I like that plenty.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not opposed to them pulling from the new material at all (hell, I even like the fact that the Rebels are getting a unique TIE, if only for the sheer novelty of it). I'm just saying, I somehow wound up with five T-65s over time and I'd like to be able to win the occasional game with them.