Hahahahaha....... this is hilarious.

Here's the TRUTH: we don't like agendas in movies we watch UNLESS they are our agendas.

Or if the editors consider them more important than plot, visuals, acting...

Let's hope the new Katarn-Ors movie will not be an example of that.

Hahahahaha....... this is hilarious.

Here's the TRUTH: we don't like agendas in movies we watch UNLESS they are our agendas.

I would like to like this, but at the same time I actually do like to see different perspectives, even when I don't agree with them. It's interesting. Not a fan of feeding to confirmation bias and filter bubbles. That stuff is a problem. I feel like agenda is a bad substitute for good plot or story ideas.

It's a fine line. I loved the Captain America movies, and there was a definite Libertarian slant to them.

I also liked Elisium which had a illegal immigration slant. I liked Interstellar, which had an environmental slant to it.

I really liked all of those movies (and many others with an obvious slant) because the stories were interesting and I was able to compartmentalize the slant - whether I agreed with the slant or not. A movie is simply the creative expression of the developers, there's always going to be a slant.

All that being said, while I can compartmentalize obvious agendas in a movie, I'd prefer to not have to.

non-Ford Han Solo?

We will not speak of this sacrilege.

non-Ford Han Solo?

We will not speak of this sacrilege.

I mean, its not like we haven't had 3 non-Ford Indys already...

I've rarely felt so ashamed to be part of a community than by what is happening in this thread.

It's an unfortunate thing when you discover different people have different opinions.

People of different races are different. Saying otherwise is at best naive and at worst serious SJW blinkers. It's racist to treat others differently because of these difference though.

What you mean is most likely culture, which is literally independent from race.

You can be a western european, with all the jummy neanderthal genes and still have the skin color of a nubian god. The whole race differentiation based on look is silly in the first place. Making a fuss over phenotypes becomes even more silly.

I liked Interstellar, which had an environmental slant to it

There was no environmental slant... as Kip Thorne said in an interview, the Blight was just a natural disaster as a plot device to force people off the Earth (not once was there anything about human folly bringing disaster etc). The Earth will die naturally eventually so humans need to get out into the cosmos. Nolan suggested that (not wanting to get into political slants) humans were being "nudged" into space by external forces. And Interstellar had a definite anti- woo woo slant (the Apollo moon landing hoax).

only girls i know that like miniature games are playing Tyranids......for some weird reason....

despite the stereotype of girls hate bugs they seem to love the giant bug race lol

Might also be the only army not filled with either men men and more men, or ridiculous caricatures of females.

Now really? Filling an army with men, men and more men? Oh my god! Who on earth would do such a thing? Sounds completely unrealistic to me.

I guess they might even look strong and muscular and aggressive. With heavy arms. These would be ridiculous caricatures.

You want to know why there aren't more women in the X-Wing community, and wargames in general? This thread contains plenty of examples why. Coming along to enjoy your fandom and being met with a wall of sexism must be one of the most off-putting things possible.

only girls i know that like miniature games are playing Tyranids......for some weird reason....

despite the stereotype of girls hate bugs they seem to love the giant bug race lol

Might also be the only army not filled with either men men and more men, or ridiculous caricatures of females.

Now really? Filling an army with men, men and more men? Oh my god! Who on earth would do such a thing? Sounds completely unrealistic to me.

I guess they might even look strong and muscular and aggressive. With heavy arms. These would be ridiculous caricatures.

I liked Interstellar, which had an environmental slant to it

There was no environmental slant... as Kip Thorne said in an interview, the Blight was just a natural disaster as a plot device to force people off the Earth (not once was there anything about human folly bringing disaster etc). The Earth will die naturally eventually so humans need to get out into the cosmos. Nolan suggested that (not wanting to get into political slants) humans were being "nudged" into space by external forces. And Interstellar had a definite anti- woo woo slant (the Apollo moon landing hoax).

Okay, as a person who didn't see the interview but saw the movie - it felt like there was an environmental slant to it. Whether there was a slant or not, or whether it was an intended slant or not, my point remains the same.

You want to know why there aren't more women in the X-Wing community, and wargames in general? This thread contains plenty of examples why. Coming along to enjoy your fandom and being met with a wall of sexism must be one of the most off-putting things possible.

Yes, because any opinion other than men and women are identical in every area is obviously sexism.

You want to know why there aren't more women in the X-Wing community, and wargames in general? This thread contains plenty of examples why. Coming along to enjoy your fandom and being met with a wall of sexism must be one of the most off-putting things possible.

Obviously you don't read my posts. Please re-read the section where I say "they would be very welcome here". It's somewhere above.

I just point out some facts and it freaks people out just like the army filled with men for example. This is sooo strange.

it's like saying "grass is green" and everything freaks out about that.

Just saying "there are certain differences between genders" is a problem somehow. I don't know why. It's just a fact and nothing to be mad about.

Yes, I do love women. I love them here in this forum and everywhere else. But they might be different. What's the problem?

Yes, I do love women. I love them here in this forum and everywhere else. But they might be different. What's the problem?

This is obviously micro-aggression and you obviously hate all women, you sexist, sexist pig.

EDIT: I just saw these funny ads from the 70s, I thought I'd put them here.

You have literally found a picture of one female soldier... along with two male soldiers. Bravo.

And how on earth should this challenge the "armies filled with men and more men" point? Do you want to show, that female soldiers exist? Oh wow guess what? I know. But that doesn't mean armies are filled with females anywhere in the world.

Just popped in to see what the buzz was! 'Glad' to see that the internet is still the internet. Forward until threadlock, everyone!

I feel very strongly about a certain side of this issue, but I don't come here for political topics. Actually I think it is a policy of the board to stay out of politics. There are other boards for this.

I wonder if there would be this much heated debate going on if she was actually named Jan Ors and flew the Hawk.

Just popped in to see what the buzz was! 'Glad' to see that the internet is still the internet. Forward until threadlock, everyone!

I'm just here to see what post finally gets the thread locked.

There's a tons of brave women serving in militaries all over the world, especially Israel. That's a side issue though, men and women are different in different areas. Saying people are different doesn't in any way diminish their value as humans. We should all be happy with what we are, I sincerely think it's sad when men want to be women and women want to be men.

I feel very strongly about a certain side of this issue, but I don't come here for political topics. Actually I think it is a policy of the board to stay out of politics. There are other boards for this.

He's right. We COULD salvage this thread, you know.

Hey, I got an idea, how about we talk about how awesome Rogue One looks!

Alright! I'd agree. How about Rogue One now?

Diversity in roles is to promote the other half of the world to feel the sense of excitement in seeing someone like them up on the screen kicking ass and taking names with a real personality! Star Trek Beyond had the token ¨bad ass female¨ but really didn´t have any kind of real human depth to the character, so that fell flat. Yet Rey is someone that so many people look up to, I can not count the amount of people I know who did not even like Star Wars or want to see it before that are in love and Rey being a huge reason.

Diversity in no way hurts me as a man, because I have a million movies from the past 100 years I can watch lead by my gender, as well as new ones every year coming out, so yea, let the camera sit on someone else for a change because who is it honestly hurting?

I agree with you completely. I cried when she realized that The Force was calling to her, and she closed her eyes and she listened to it. That was better than most scenes in STAR WARS.

Now imagine how much more special that would feel if you're a young female SW fan seeing that happen for the first ever time in a 30 year old series, where you might even have previously been slightly ostracized for being a fan of a "boys movie." Seeing proof on screen that this was NOT a boys movie, it was an everybody movie. Would you want to see a whole lot more of those kinds of moments in movies, maybe enough to erase the damage done by implicit gender messaging in all the previous ones?

The implicit messaging in all movies that girls are a secondary role. Now producers like Kennedy are trying to undo that and "make things right." If she doesn't have an agenda in the casting of women and minorities in these new movies, she **** well should.

Agendas are bad, she certainly shouldn't have one.

She should have what makes the movie work. In this case, you could have a male OR a female lead, so there's nothing wrong with having a female lead. Heck, I like a good female lead, freshens things up.

But shoehorning things in (which I don't feel is happening with Star Wars btw) is not good for anyone.

Then you don't know what good story telling actually is... Hint: People have agendas when they write stories.

If the case is, that the agenda is, that woman can get **** done just as well as men, and you have a problem with that, then that is actually on you .

Well done missing the point.

Agendas in story - good. Agendas in the casting of your movie - bad.

If you'd bother to read my comment, you'll notice I actually DON'T have a problem - I think these new characters and movies will be great. Rey was the best part of TFA (after Harrison Ford acted everyone else off the screen)

What I do have a problem with is putting people in parts of movies for the sake of showing how inclusive you can be. Ghostbusters - didn't need female leads, we wanted a sequel. The new Harry Potter play didn't need Black Hermione. Regardless of how you pictured her reading the books (and let's be honest, you pictured her as white) as a PLANET, we had white Hermione ingrained on our consciousness after Emma Watson played her in the films.

No, if you want to be inclusive, write a part designed for a woman or a non-white person. It'll be better, won't be forced and there's a huge range of brilliantly skilled actors out there who will do well with the part. I don't know if they decided to have a female lead and then wrote the script, or the other way round. As long as Felicity Jones acts well in the movie, I'll be a happy Penguin. She looks fantastic so far.

All of the above goes for whitewashing too buy the way. If a character is something in a book or original media, that's how I expect them to be portrayed in the movie.

After re-reading your post, I'll admit that you're not against female leads, but my point still stands, in that what you call " shoe-horning" is just story telling from a different perspective .

As far as Harry Potter goes. WTF and WGaS

You have literally found a picture of one female soldier... along with two male soldiers. Bravo.

And how on earth should this challenge the "armies filled with men and more men" point? Do you want to show, that female soldiers exist? Oh wow guess what? I know. But that doesn't mean armies are filled with females anywhere in the world.

Somehow the ignore feature is not working and I keep getting your dumbass posts in my feed. The point why anecdotally it seems more female 40k players prefer tyranids is because that army is gender neutral. Every other army is either entirely all males, or are filled with fanboy perv models like dark eldar or sisters of battle.

I could spend all day finding images of women in the US Army, Soviet army, Isreal Defense Forces, and other military forces. The actual make up of modern military forces is (while no means equal in numbers) NO WAY near the GW male dominated nerd imagining of what the military looks like.

Now go away you fool. This thread was supposed to be about how freaking awesome the Rogue One Trailer is, and now its regressed to nerd-rage gamer gate regressive BS.

Now can I just say my hatred of the U-Wing is slowly residing ... It looks better in motion than the stills.

I feel very strongly about a certain side of this issue, but I don't come here for political topics. Actually I think it is a policy of the board to stay out of politics. There are other boards for this.

He's right. We COULD salvage this thread, you know.

Hey, I got an idea, how about we talk about how awesome Rogue One looks!

I hope the edgy rebels get their comeuppance.