Let My Porridge Fly vs Venomous Blade

By Dr.Cornelius, in 2. AGoT Rules Discussion

Under what (if any) circumstances does Let My Porridge Fly cause Venomous Blade to be discarded before it goes into Shadows?

Let My Porridge Fly
Intrigue Gambit: After you win an <intrigue> challenge, choose and discard an attachment from play.

Venomous Blade
Response: After you lose a challenge, Venomous Blade goes into Shadows.

Does the first player get to decide which effect resolves first, or does one effect precede the other? Could not figure it out from the flowchart.

Let my Porridge Fly is a passive effect (step 4 of the Framework Action Window) and thus resolves before the response-effect of Venomous Blade (step 5).

Note that, since Let my Porridge Fly is a passive effect, you have to discard an attachment, even if the only one in play is one of your own.

Jeko

Dr.Cornelius said:

Let My Porridge Fly
Intrigue Gambit: After you win an <intrigue> challenge, choose and discard an attachment from play.

what might be confusing here is that there is no colon, : , after Intrigue Gambit on the plot. this might feel like nit picking but is important because a colon helps to signify a triggered effect (like on Venomous Blade). So since the plot is a passive effect (as are all plots) it indeed does go before Venomous Blade would have a chance to trigger as the previous poster stated.

Lars said:

what might be confusing here is that there is no colon, : , after Intrigue Gambit on the plot. this might feel like nit picking but is important because a colon helps to signify a triggered effect (like on Venomous Blade).

Just remember, you're the one who opened the door to nitpicking.

Intrigue Gambit, whether there was a colon or not, is in bold and italics, signifying it as a trait. Response is only in bold, indicating that it is a timing restriction on a triggered ability. A colon instead of a period would not turn "Intrigue Gambit" into a timing restriction or the plot effect into a triggered effect.

more clarification the better.