Rules Question

By Alcamus, in Mansions of Madness

Hello,

I just finished the first scenario and I would say that the game is very good, but there were some situations we need to have further explanations.
The first was when during Mythos phase (playing two investigators) where it specify that this event will affects investigator with the lowest will power, the problem was that both had the same value, my question is who is affected investigator, both or choose random?
Second case was related to fire, an event made drop an item that put fire in the area where I was and two adjacent areas, I ignored the fire and it was spread throughout the map. The rules specified that both investigators as monsters are affected by fire, I basically had a cultist at distance 3 was dead when he arrived at the first investigator, besides that I observed that is practically very hard to put out the fire for it spreads in any adjacent area. at a certain moment I run out of tokens to to mark areas where fire was. You please enlightened exactly how it works this fire spread and extinguish it?
Thank you.

Hello,

I just finished the first scenario and I would say that the game is very good, but there were some situations we need to have further explanations.
The first was when during Mythos phase (playing two investigators) where it specify that this event will affects investigator with the lowest will power, the problem was that both had the same value, my question is who is affected investigator, both or choose random?
Second case was related to fire, an event made drop an item that put fire in the area where I was and two adjacent areas, I ignored the fire and it was spread throughout the map. The rules specified that both investigators as monsters are affected by fire, I basically had a cultist at distance 3 was dead when he arrived at the first investigator, besides that I observed that is practically very hard to put out the fire for it spreads in any adjacent area. at a certain moment I run out of tokens to to mark areas where fire was. You please enlightened exactly how it works this fire spread and extinguish it?
Thank you.

From the "Conflicts" section in the rule reference guide:

" It is possible for a game effect to have more than one possible

outcome. In such a case, investigators as a group determine the
outcome of that effect."
" It is possible that investigators have differing intentions and goals.
If this prevents investigators from reaching a decision as a group,
the decision is determined by an investigator chosen at random."
And the "Fire" section in the rules reference guide
^ As an action, an investigator may attempt to extinguish the flames
by testing his agility (). For each success result () he rolls,
he may discard Fire from his space or a space he moves into later
during the round.
• Fire discarded by this effect does not cause the investigator
to suffer Damage.
^ At the beginning of each mythos phase, before a mythos event is
resolved, fire spreads.
• If one or more spaces contain Fire, place one Fire token
in a space adjacent to a space that contains Fire.
• The app will display a reminder for this effect. When Fire is
placed by the set fire action or a card effect, an investigator
should select the "Set Fire" option from the in-game menu.
Edited by Inmate4251

Regarding fire spread, i extinguish fire at my location and the next turn, because was a fire in a adjiacent area, according to rules i had to put a fire token again in my area. Seems a bit strange because if you let fire spread you can kill monsters like that. When a monster it s activated in an area containing a fire token, suffers one damage, also when that monster will move to an area containing fire. So you every turn will extinguish one fire per investigator and you can let monsters come to you, because they will die on the way. It s a strange mechanic.

If you wanna play with fire, you're welcome to do so. But remember that fire can be extinguished at a higher rate than 1 space / turn / investigator, so you may actually want to extinguish it all to spare time

:) i didn t set the mansion on fire as my desire, a mythos event intructed me to drop candles. I dont see how you can extinguish more than 1 fire per turn, you have two actions, with one action, lets say that you extinguish fore in your area and you have only one more action.

Anyway thank you for your reply. :)

The first action used is testing Agility. Then, for each success rolled, you may discard a fire token from your space or any space you move in the round. This means that:

- you're in a space with fire, thus you discard it

- then you resolve a movement action. Movement consists of up to two steps, thus you may discard up to two extra fire tokens

this brings the total of fire tokens to be discarded to 3.

And this total can be enhanced further: for example, the investigator extinguishing fire may have 1 extra action due to the investigator (possibly Carston? don't have the game with me to check, sorry) whose special ability is "action: allow another investigator within range to perform one extra action this turn".

Or you may have a Mythos effect moving the investigator in a space containing fire: you may extinguish fire even on that occasion since rules for extinguishing fire refers to "later this round" and the round consists of an Investigator and a Mythos phase.

As you see, as long as you roll enough successes on your Agility test, believing you may discard only one Fire token per round is wrong. And it'd be wrong even from a game designing point of view: when you introduce an ill effect, you should give investigators a chance at countering it.

Thank you again for clarification, i guess the word "or" confused me because i see this case as a choise between to different fire extiguish actions.

Edited by Alcamus

Also keep in mind that when fire spreads, you only place a single tile regardless of how many tiles are on fire.

Also keep in mind that when fire spreads, you only place a single tile regardless of how many tiles are on fire.

Just about to post the same thing. I've ignored a fire for an entire scenario and not come close to using all the tokens (although it's possible I have extra due to a duplicate token sheet in my game). When the OP mentioned running out, I immediately wondered if he was placing multiple tiles per turn.

and if you have the fire extinguisher it gets even better.

Essentially fire spreads at a slower rate than you can generally (rolls allowing) extinguish it, however if you let it get out of control it will consume all your actions for many rounds while the AI continues to throw mythos actions at you.

Fire spreading to kill monsters seems a great idea at first however I have found that extinguishing the fire takes more overall actions (if spread) than simply attacking the monster (true if you are overwhelmed by monsters it may be good to just burn-em-all!!!!)

:)