Relatedly: why would FFG NOT produce the Executor, sooner or later I mean? Seems completely insane.

(1) Scale: No matter how long the Exectutor model actually was, it would look silly tiny because of its narrow proportions. If the Executor was an unbelievable 2-ft long model, the majority of the nose and body would be no thicker than an Armada TIE fighter because of the ship's length x height dimensions. This is part of the reason the X-Wing Raider corvette looks so darn small. Even if the FFG model was 6 feet long (impossible) standard ISD and AFMKII models would still be thicker (more height) than the vast majority of the SSD model.

(2) Balance: Since Armada games are capped at 6 Rounds, it's hard to imagine how an SSD would function in this game in a way that wasn't entirely too fragile (aka kill-able in the 6 Rounds) or too invincible (aka unkill-able in the 6 Rounds). An ISD is already a hard nut to crack in 6 Rounds, and unless most lists start shooting it with everything by at least Turn 3 they can't necessarily hope to kill it. This is a legitimate concern for how'd they even manage to squeeze a resurgent-class star destroyer into the game, which is supposed to be roughly twice the size of an ISD.

So, it's very difficult to balance outside of creating some sort of "Epic Play" rules for Armada, but Armada is already a game that takes longer than most Epic Games of X-Wing. Even if you could find the proper balancing rules, you'd still be left with a model that would look silly small and flat no matter how long the actual FFG model was.

All that being said, FFG will almost certainly do an SSD model at some point, and this is probably why we haven't seen Piett or Palps yet...

Why should there be a Rebel equivalent?

The Rebels have one more ship already!

Why should there be a Rebel equivalent?

The Rebels have one more ship already!

If somebody wants a Rebel equivalent they could just break out the red paint.

But is it Canon?

No, it's very much Legends.

Nah, I want the Mediator or the Viscount as a Rebel equivalent.

Another option from Legends:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Viscount-class_Star_Defender

No, it's very much Legends.

In the newcanon the New Republic captured 3 Super Star Destroyers between ROTJ and Aftermath: Life Debt.

No, it's very much Legends.

In the newcanon the New Republic captured 3 Super Star Destroyers between ROTJ and Aftermath: Life Debt.

They captured 3 SSD's! Where is this? I have not read most of the new books and would like the source for this.

No, it's very much Legends.

In the newcanon the New Republic captured 3 Super Star Destroyers between ROTJ and Aftermath: Life Debt.

That's odd what with Lost Stars indicating that they'd never successfully captured a Star Destroyer on account of the crews always scuttling them to prevent it.

No, it's very much Legends.

In the newcanon the New Republic captured 3 Super Star Destroyers between ROTJ and Aftermath: Life Debt.

That's odd what with Lost Stars indicating that they'd never successfully captured a Star Destroyer on account of the crews always scuttling them to prevent it.

Maybe Super Star Destroyers are somehow easier to capture than Imperial-class. Even pirates have one (the Annihilator).

EDIT:

The aforementioned Aftermath: Life Debt:

She starts with the Dreadnoughts— the Super Star Destroyers. Thirteen were in service before the revivified Death Star was destroyed above Endor. One of those is the Ravager, the SSD from which Sloane rules the Empire (and which, strictly speaking, is now Gaelan’s command). One of those is the Executor, Vader’s command ship. The Executor was lost that day, plunging into the surface of the Death Star. Taking hundreds of thousands of the best Imperials with it.

Sloane shudders as she thinks of it.

That leaves eleven others.

Three are now in the hands of the New Republic. Two of those were from admirals willingly surrendering the ship and its people. One was taken forcibly by New Republic forces while it underwent repairs over Kuat.

Five were destroyed outright in battles across the galaxy with the New Republic— the ships were understaffed, underprotected, and on the run. (The Dreadnoughts are home to massive batteries of fleet-killing weapons, yes, but are also slow, unwieldy beasts— they hang there in the sky like bricks, and without adequate protection it is an inevitability that enemy forces could erode the ships until obliteration ensues.)

One was taken by pirates: the Annihilator. Tagge’s old ship. But who controls the Annihilator now? The reports don’t say.

Another, the Arbitrator, made a bad hyperspace calculation to escape pursuing NR ships. It evaporated when it was sucked into a gravity well.

That leaves Palpatine’s own command ship:

The Eclipse.

Records show that it, too, was destroyed by a fleet of New Republic vessels— Ackbar’s own frigate, Home One, firing the ship-killing shot.

Ah, but there’s the catch, and it’s why Sloane is here: The ships dumped data across the stars, transmitting pulses of information to this location. That provides a black-box recording of information so one could discern what exactly happened before a ship was destroyed, captured, or surrendered. All the other tracking data adds up to the known fates of each SSD. Their stories match the data for all of them— except one.

For the Eclipse, the data ends a full day-cycle before the ship was reportedly destroyed. It shows no siege by New Republic forces. It simply... drops off the star map. Gone. Vanished.

Is it possible that the Eclipse is still out there? Could the Ravager not be the last Super Star Destroyer in the naval arsenal?

Interesting. So the New Republic has/had 3 SSD's. They probably did not try and use them due to the massive crew requirments. It's also gives the notion that if 2 Imperial admirals willingly surrendered SSD's, then they probably did so with ISD's. Only a year after Endor they would probably not been in service yet due to the time needed to train a crew to be combat effective, but I'm sure they would have used them after. IIRC the first ship build by the NR was described as being built from Imperial parts. I'm sure 3 SSD's would provide enough spare parts to build whole fleets.

*edit* the Star Hawk class was the first ship designed and built exclusively by the new republic and was built from mostly from salvaged imperial ships according to Life Debt. 3 SSD's sound like a good place to get a whole bunch of salvage.

Interesting. So the New Republic has/had 3 SSD's. They probably did not try and use them due to the massive crew requirments.

*edit* the Star Hawk class was the first ship designed and built exclusively by the new republic and was built from mostly from salvaged imperial ships according to Life Debt. 3 SSD's sound like a good place to get a whole bunch of salvage.

Yup:

Wedge whoops with sudden relief. Because the two ships aren't Imperial ships—they're New Republic ships. One of them is an Alderaanian escort frigate, the Sunspire. And the other is one of the brand-new battleships: a Nadiri Mark One Starhawk, one of a few capital ships constructed at the Nadiri Dockyards deep inside the Bormea sector. This ship, and all the ships there, are built from the disassembled Imperial craft the New Republic has taken since Endor. The literal spoils of war. Weapons turned by a savior's hand, pointed back at their masters.

headcanon accepted. The 3 SSD's became Star Hawks

headcanon accepted. The 3 SSD's became Star Hawks

Might take a while to disassemble them completely, but I could see Star Hawks coming off the line one by one as battery after battery are removed from an SSD and installed on a near-complete Star Hawk chassis.

No, it's very much Legends.

In the newcanon the New Republic captured 3 Super Star Destroyers between ROTJ and Aftermath: Life Debt.

That's odd what with Lost Stars indicating that they'd never successfully captured a Star Destroyer on account of the crews always scuttling them to prevent it.

Maybe that's what the Empire propaganda machine says but Han Solo leads raids that capture a Stardestroyer on 2 seperate occasions before Jakku, once in Life Debt and a previous one mentioned in Life Debt.

Han Solo leads raids that capture a Stardestroyer on 2 seperate occasions before Jakku, once in Life Debt and a previous one mentioned in Life Debt.

Could be the author not paying attention to what was written in Lost Stars - despite using a character from it as I recall.

“We need people like you and Lieutenant Idele who have served on Imperial ships in the past,” Rieekan said as Thane, Kendy, and other troops boarded a transport. “It’s this simple—we need more vessels, and we need them faster than they can be built, especially while the Empire still holds most of the main construction facilities. The only way we’re going to get those ships is by capturing them from the Empire.”

Thane managed to respond to this politely, instead of with the scorn it deserved. “Sir, with all due respect, nobody has ever captured a Star Destroyer. And don’t tell me it’s because no one has ever tried. Yeah, way back in the day, we managed to take out a governor’s destroyer over Mustafar, but since then, the Imperials have shored up their defenses against infiltrators. These days Star Destroyers are nearly invulnerable.”

“Those crews aren’t as die-hard as they used to be,” Rieekan insisted. “We’ve had ships as large as attack cruisers switch allegiance in other battles, haven’t we?”

“Those have thousands of crew members. Not tens of thousands.”

“We only need enough sympathizers to help us shut systems down. Only former Imperial officers such as you and Idele can lead us to the most vulnerable areas.”

Grudgingly, Thane took Rieekan’s point. If they could get one of the auxiliary bridges, the engine room, and a couple of the gunneries under New Republic control, they could effectively paralyze a Star Destroyer. Actually claiming the ship would require intense intravessel combat, lasting days if not weeks—but it was possible.

A long shot. An extremely long shot. Yet possible.

Uh oh, we're getting away from the topic of predicting the future inevitability of the SSD based on the card art.

In doing so, we're hampering the original thread from becoming the 100+-page epic thread that it certainly deserves to become.

Here's some straws to grasp at.

Why should there be a Rebel equivalent?

The Rebels have one more ship already!

Well the EU did have an Equivelant but it was more of a republic. The Star Defender.

Why should there be a Rebel equivalent?

The Rebels have one more ship already!

Well the EU did have an Equivelant but it was more of a republic. The Star Defender.

You just came this close to giving me a heart attack.

Why should there be a Rebel equivalent?

The Rebels have one more ship already!

Well the EU did have an Equivelant but it was more of a republic. The Star Defender.

You just came this close to giving me a heart attack.

That would be a HUGE box.

If the SSD is twice as wide as the ISD, that would make it four times as long. I think that would be suitably huge to get the point across in Armada's relative scale.

If the SSD is twice as wide as the ISD, that would make it four times as long. I think that would be suitably huge to get the point across in Armada's relative scale.

The newcanon has gone with 19000m rather than 17600m for the Executor.

The Mel's Miniatures Executor is I think slightly flatter than that depiction :

WIDTH HEIGHT DEPTH

They can be "flexible" with scale, I've seen mel's and it looks really good. The trouble will be finding a point cost that people can live with. I can see people being able to use one in Corillian conflict but even there it will cut into the cost of their overall fleet pretty heavily. You'd probably have local superiority where your SSD is, and be outgunned everywhere else