The Gunboat certainly needs a fix, I've never seen it on the table!

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The Gunboat certainly needs a fix, I've never seen it on the table!

Karabast! I've not beaten a gun boat yet how can it need a fix

If you haven't noticed, it takes them a while to fix various ships. I'm sure they have many things in the works, but it will just take a while for it to come out. FFG has already pointed out that the T-65 doesn't have a title card. Scum Epic should fix some of those ships. Just give them some time already. It took a while for the X1 fix.

Please fix the T-65, Starviper, Scyk, Khiraksjdnflz;fd, Tie Punisher, Tie Bomber, Firespray and the Bwing...

Sane question to CheapCreep for the list posted below.

I whole heartily agree that some ships need an overhaul be it a new title or mod that removes a few slots of upgradrs for a point reduction or a few new intreasting pilots.

However some ships that I seen mentioned all the time as needing a fix I believe don't. My example woulf be Firespray and Bwing. Firesprays in particle Ive flown a number of times to great success, if you build them right keep them cheep and fly them well they arnt half bad, now if FFG did release a few new titles I wont complain but there are some ships that need more work first.

Kihraxz is the single best example in the game right now. As soon as the Fang comes out no one will ever even buy the Kihraxz again might aswell discontinue this one FFG if your not going to fix it.

The Firespray is getting Tail Gunner. That should help boost it right there.

I also wonder....how many of these ships would be alright if we didn't have PTL Aces in the game?

Ships that need a price fix (For a few points less):

Bwing (Mostly named)
Starvipers
Scyk
Tie Punisher
Rebel Hwks

Ships that need a functionality fix: (They just need a purpose)

Kihraxz
Imperial Firespray
T-65

As the proud owner of five Kihraxz, I say AdamGATX105's post smacks of inexperience and ignorance.

In fact, I need to pick up a couple more so I can promote (repaint) three to Black Sun Aces following their second tournament win...

The Firespray is getting Tail Gunner. That should help boost it right there.

I also wonder....how many of these ships would be alright if we didn't have PTL Aces in the game?

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I'm thinking if the lot of stuff in the latest wave that blasts Soontir Fel perhaps limits his (and other PTL Aces) use on the table, then we might actually see T-65's, B-wings, and Kihraxz Fighters in the game. They aren't bad ships, but they just suffer against arc dodgers. If PTL Arc Dodging Aces were gone, they would be fine in the game.

I'm thinking if the lot of stuff in the latest wave that blasts Soontir Fel perhaps limits his (and other PTL Aces) use on the table, then we might actually see T-65's, B-wings, and Kihraxz Fighters in the game. They aren't bad ships, but they just suffer against arc dodgers. If PTL Arc Dodging Aces were gone, they would be fine in the game.

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Not so much, the yt-2400 entirely, but Vrill & ORS. Maybe the snuggle pit will help. Who knows.

Rebel HWKs, again, overcosted.

I'm thinking if the lot of stuff in the latest wave that blasts Soontir Fel perhaps limits his (and other PTL Aces) use on the table, then we might actually see T-65's, B-wings, and Kihraxz Fighters in the game. They aren't bad ships, but they just suffer against arc dodgers. If PTL Arc Dodging Aces were gone, they would be fine in the game.

YUP... uhh you didn't like my Sabine TIE Cuteness... mean ole meanie!

Sorry Joe Boss, but my LIKE ability is really on the fritz today. I get the "thinking" little bit and it always comes back with an error. Wait, I did get one or maybe two LIKES in this morning, but the rest are just not working.

I'm thinking if the lot of stuff in the latest wave that blasts Soontir Fel perhaps limits his (and other PTL Aces) use on the table, then we might actually see T-65's, B-wings, and Kihraxz Fighters in the game. They aren't bad ships, but they just suffer against arc dodgers. If PTL Arc Dodging Aces were gone, they would be fine in the game.

YUP... uhh you didn't like my Sabine TIE Cuteness... mean ole meanie!

Sorry Joe Boss, but my LIKE ability is really on the fritz today. I get the "thinking" little bit and it always comes back with an error. Wait, I did get one or maybe two LIKES in this morning, but the rest are just not working.

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As the proud owner of five Kihraxz, I say AdamGATX105's post smacks of inexperience and ignorance.

In fact, I need to pick up a couple more so I can promote (repaint) three to Black Sun Aces following their second tournament win...

Call me inexperienced all you want but your missing my point. Look at just the 2 most basic generic pilots for both ships. Cost the same, same attack, fang had one ectra agility, same hull, kihraxz has 1 shild. Fang gets boost and barrel roll and a better dial. Why take the kihraxz in this example? Less alone any new players buy it when the fang is on the shelf next to it?

As the proud owner of five Kihraxz, I say AdamGATX105's post smacks of inexperience and ignorance.

In fact, I need to pick up a couple more so I can promote (repaint) three to Black Sun Aces following their second tournament win...

Call me inexperienced all you want but your missing my point. Look at just the 2 most basic generic pilots for both ships. Cost the same, same attack, fang had one ectra agility, same hull, kihraxz has 1 shild. Fang gets boost and barrel roll and a better dial. Why take the kihraxz in this example? Less alone any new players buy it when the fang is on the shelf next to it?

The cheapest ships might not be the best example. The cheapest Kihraxz is 19 20 pts and has a shield while the cheapest Fang Fighter is 20. These guys probably won't use the Barrel Roll or Boost action much. The dial is better, though.

As the proud owner of five Kihraxz, I say AdamGATX105's post smacks of inexperience and ignorance.

In fact, I need to pick up a couple more so I can promote (repaint) three to Black Sun Aces following their second tournament win...

Call me inexperienced all you want but your missing my point. Look at just the 2 most basic generic pilots for both ships. Cost the same, same attack, fang had one ectra agility, same hull, kihraxz has 1 shild. Fang gets boost and barrel roll and a better dial. Why take the kihraxz in this example? Less alone any new players buy it when the fang is on the shelf next to it?

Shield is a great asset and in many situations is worth more than an extra agility. Z-95 IS more resilient than a Tie.

yet the thing stays the same, in both cases nobody wants the "low PS grunt" because right now jousters are reduced to Uboats (who aren't the hotness any more) and Crackswarm (who aren't grunts because PS4+EPT)

Wait, what? Kihraxz is 20

The cheapest Kihraxz is actually 20 points heychadwick.

The Firespray is getting Tail Gunner. That should help boost it right there.

I also wonder....how many of these ships would be alright if we didn't have PTL Aces in the game?

no it isn't the ARC is, buyinng a 24$ ugly Rebel ship to fix a Scum and Imp ship is not a fix, for 1 lousy card

absolutely nothing wrong with a tie bomber.

Its not an ace. It plays drastically different than imps are used to doing, so it sucks by default.

Problem with xwings, vipers, khirs, and non-sootir or jax interceptors is theyre all "medium" ships, sporting heavier guns than the light budget ships but dont have the durability of the heavy ones. And Xwing being based on a very small number, where the difference between top performing fighter and budget idiot is 1 digit, theres no middle ground for medium ships like xwings.

A buff to xwings given the pilots they have could EASILY sky rocket out of control. No quick-fixes, otherwise Wedge, Poe, Wes, or Ello might suddenly become a powerhouse that dwarfs even x7 defenders in the price.

Even Fenn costs the same as Talonbane, Concord Dawn Ace the same as Black Sun Ace. Is the one shild better then one extra agility, barrel roll and boost?

The Firespray is getting Tail Gunner. That should help boost it right there.

I also wonder....how many of these ships would be alright if we didn't have PTL Aces in the game?

no it isn't the ARC is, buyinng a 24$ ugly Rebel ship to fix a Scum and Imp ship is not a fix, for 1 lousy card

uh, rebels and imps bought a $20 worthless scum ship for 1 card *cough* Autos *cough* for interceptors and awings specifically.

Agreed. A lot of the ships OP listed could really use some love, and I say that even though I never fly them. T-65 is a joke 90% of the time, and it's literally the ship the game is named after. Can't let that go unanswered.

As the proud owner of five Kihraxz, I say AdamGATX105's post smacks of inexperience and ignorance.

In fact, I need to pick up a couple more so I can promote (repaint) three to Black Sun Aces following their second tournament win...

Call me inexperienced all you want but your missing my point. Look at just the 2 most basic generic pilots for both ships. Cost the same, same attack, fang had one ectra agility, same hull, kihraxz has 1 shild. Fang gets boost and barrel roll and a better dial. Why take the kihraxz in this example? Less alone any new players buy it when the fang is on the shelf next to it?

Let me ask you this; how many players regularly fly Alpha Squadron Pilots? The Zealous Recruit is in a similar position. It has lots of actions available, true, but no action economy which allows it to make maximum use of them. Like the Alpha, there are cheaper blockers available but unlike the Alpha, it can't even tke Autothrusters in a list of five.

I regularly run a list of 5 naked Cartel Marauders, and would take them EVERY DAY over five naked Zealous Recruits. The single shield and extra point of PS is worth far more than the redundant actions of the Fang generics.

Now, the Unique pilots for the Fang DEFINITELY have an edge over the Kihraxz unique pilots - no argument there - but you don't buy multiple expansion packs to field unique pilots; you buy multiple expansion packs to field cheap generics.

And while we're talking about purchase incentives, the Kihraxz cones packaged with three EXTREMELY good upgrade cards, relevant across a wide variety of ships: Crackshot, Predator and Glitterstim. The Fang, on the other hand, only offers two upgrade cards, one if which is Fang only.

Even players who don't want to fly the Kihraxz may well pick them up for those upgrades (especially Imperial pilots who want to run a Crackswarm). The Fang? Not so much.

Almost forgot; the Kihraxz also has access to the Illicit upgrade slot, which as we know is already useful, but with the advent of BlaCk Market Slicer Tools could rapidly become a game changer.