Can 3PO be used on VCX-100? Based on card text, I am thinking not but a buddy is telling me you can even though it doesn't roll any defence dice.

You are right, the card says "before you roll 1 or more defense dice", so it only works if you get any bonus on your defense roll (Range 3, obstructed, etc).

That's what I thought, but he argued and said he had seen it on some forum (didn’t say what forum) that using it and guessing 0 would guarantee an evade because you had 0 dice rolled.

He is still wrong. If you roll 0 die, than you do not fulfill the condition, so the card does not trigger at all. If he still does not get it, than I predict further rule interpretation problems during your games. There are plenty of obscure rules/upgrades, but this one is a clear cut case.

That's what I thought, but he argued and said he had seen it on some forum (didn’t say what forum) that using it and guessing 0 would guarantee an evade because you had 0 dice rolled.

Which is why you have to actually "roll dice" for C-3PO to apply.

That is also a reason that some of the counters to Fat Han w/ C-3PO revolved around keeping Han from having any dice to roll when he was attacked.

Can 3PO be used on VCX-100? Based on card text, I am thinking not but a buddy is telling me you can even though it doesn't roll any defence dice.

You MUST roll 1 or more dice.

You could put it on a Ghost but only use it when getting shot at range 3 or through an obstacle. It's a waste of points really

Would he work with Lando?

Yes. But it's a REALLY expensive way to take an Evade action+.

Would he work with Lando?

I'm assuming you mean with Lando crew.

If that's the case, yes, you can guess on Lando's roll. However, it isn't as effective since you're rolling 2 dice - therefore the chance you have of guessing correctly is lower.

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

Not meaning to offend your friend or anything, but I really hate it when people argue like that. They seem to miss the point almost on purpose. A friend of mine does that, too. It's almost like he can't read what's written right there on the card. IT'S NOT F***IN' ROCKET SCIENCE, MAN!!

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

Not meaning to offend your friend or anything, but I really hate it when people argue like that. They seem to miss the point almost on purpose. A friend of mine does that, too. It's almost like he can't read what's written right there on the card. IT'S NOT F***IN' ROCKET SCIENCE, MAN!!

No offence taken as I feel the same way with him sometimes. His problem usually is overthinking everything and not just reading the card. I am more in question of what forum he found that told him he could roll 0 dice and still use 3PO in the first place.

'Rolling 0 dice being rolling dice' is a thing from the new FAQ in relation to Omega Leader and whether tokens can be spend to modify 0 dice - they can't - but whilst it's not directly relevant, it could well be the thing that's caused the confusion. If roling 0 dice is rolling dice, then 3PO would work for 0-agi ships - if it weren't for ther fact that he specifies at least one die must be rolled to trigger him.

Even if "rolling 0 dice is still rolling dice" c3p0 wouldnt work because he isnt requiring you to roll defense dice, hes requiring you to roll ONE OR MORE defense dice, meaning more than 0.

He's a wasted slot on the ghost, as only range3 or obstructed would give him the benefit.

However, EI + Lando is pretty good. Focus or Evade action, EI into Lando for more tokens.

Even if "rolling 0 dice is still rolling dice" c3p0 wouldnt work because he isnt requiring you to roll defense dice, hes requiring you to roll ONE OR MORE defense dice, meaning more than 0.

That's exactly he said:

If roling 0 dice is rolling dice, then 3PO would work for 0-agi ships - if it weren't for ther fact that he specifies at least one die must be rolled to trigger him.

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

Yes, it would make the Scum cloak useable and not so unreliable. On a side note, I LOVE me some ACD + FCS + REC SPEC on Echo!

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That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

Yes, it would make the Scum cloak useable and not so unreliable. On a side note, I LOVE me some ACD + FCS + REC SPEC on Echo!

Forget the Scum. If the ACD didn't have it's Phantom Only restriction on it just imagine what someone like Fel could do with it! Ok, with Fel it means he wouldn't be Action-PtL-Action before clearing the Stress but instead if would mean Action, Attack-Cloak-PtL-Action and then Decloak and clear Stress at the start of next turn. Without the restriction ACD would become the Modification you see on EVERY high PS pilot who might like a little more maneuverability and defense.

The SPA requires having/using the Cloak Action to be effective. The ACD just tells you to take the Cloak Action just like Expert Handling would tell you to take a BR even if you normally can't do that action.

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

I could imagine Scums getting some use out of their cloaking device at last.... but it makes sense fluffwise: as phantom was designed with cloak capabilities in mind he excells in it (in form of ACD) and scum ramshackled cloaks are not fit for that tech.

I do need to say that he didn't argue any more when I said he could have 3PO as crew then use him if you are range 3 or being shot threw a rock but that was it since you have to roll 1 or more dice like it says on the card. Then later he asked why the (yet another) squad builder site had Advanced SLAM as a choice on ships other then the K-Wing and I had to explain to him that there is nothing on the card that says you can't equip it if you don't have the SLAM action you just can't do anything with it unless you perform a SLAM action so if you want to wast the points and loose the slot please feel free to equip the card. At that point all he said was "Well that's just stupid, it should say K-Wing only." So I said they were leaving their options open for another ship to have a SLAM down the road and not block the chance at using the modification. Yes things are interesting with him sometimes but it usually works itself out in the end.

That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

I could imagine Scums getting some use out of their cloaking device at last.... but it makes sense fluffwise: as phantom was designed with cloak capabilities in mind he excells in it (in form of ACD) and scum ramshackled cloaks are not fit for that tech.

Hint: you don't actually need to have the Cloak action in your bar for ACD to work.

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That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

I could imagine Scums getting some use out of their cloaking device at last.... but it makes sense fluffwise: as phantom was designed with cloak capabilities in mind he excells in it (in form of ACD) and scum ramshackled cloaks are not fit for that tech.

Hint: you don't actually need to have the Cloak action in your bar for ACD to work.

I already mentioned it but the spaceinvader hits the nail on the head when saying why ACD without the Phantom only restriction would be bonkers. Who would ever use the illicit Cloaking Device if ACD was available if Cloaking became available to everyone.

There are plenty of upgrades that have restrictions on them which may hinder them in many cases but without those restrictions they could be some of the most broken things in the game.

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That "Advanced SLAM" comment reminds of the two modifications related to cloaking. You have the ACD which IS "Phantom only" and allows the ship to perform a Cloak Action after taking an attack; then you have the SPA which is open for ANYONE but because the only way it can work is if someone takes a Cloak Action its uses outside of a Phantom are currently limited but available.

Could you imagine if the Advanced Cloaking Device wasn't a "Phantom Only" modification?

I could imagine Scums getting some use out of their cloaking device at last.... but it makes sense fluffwise: as phantom was designed with cloak capabilities in mind he excells in it (in form of ACD) and scum ramshackled cloaks are not fit for that tech.

Hint: you don't actually need to have the Cloak action in your bar for ACD to work.

I already mentioned it but the spaceinvader hits the nail on the head when saying why ACD without the Phantom only restriction would be bonkers. Who would ever use the illicit Cloaking Device if ACD was available if Cloaking became available to everyone.

There are plenty of upgrades that have restrictions on them which may hinder them in many cases but without those restrictions they could be some of the most broken things in the game.

Oh MY! Ok so once again I have not thought big enough. Yes I agree that without the "Phantom Only" any ship at all would then be able to cloak after shooting and that would just be CRAZY STUPID!!!!