It's Official, Kylo Ren goes through shields

By ficklegreendice, in X-Wing

Does Determination see a lot of competetive play by now? That might change as soon as Kylo enters the arena I guess....

Hard competition for the EPT slot. PTL, VI, Crack and the likes. But on A-wings probably yes.

Something like

'Backdraft': VI, FCS

Darth Vader: Adaptability, EU, X1, ATC

Lieutenant Dormitz: FCS, Crackshot, Kylo Ren

IF Dormitz is 30pts and has EPT that is...

Don't think he has an EPT. Spread looks like the PS below Kylo is no EPT, so I doubt he does.

The idea of Kylo actually flying the shuttle amuses me.

I like the idea of Kylo crew'd Shuttle, Backdraft, and Colzet w/FCS.

You find the ship you hate, you tag it with a conditional and the Blinded Pilot card. Get Backdraft a sweet shot sometime and get that crit through (most likely on anything but Palp Aces) and then after your enemy flips blinded pilot that round by not shooting, you spend Colzet's target lock to flip it back.

Keep one enemy blinded the entire game while you deal with the rest of the squad.

Edited by CheapCreep

Could it be just poor wording?

Could it be just poor wording?

They put an awful lot of words on the card to word it poorly. They were trying to do something very specific indeed.

Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

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Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

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Chewbacca saws RAAAAUAAUAUUU

His bow caster says hello :)

Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

Cheers

Baaa

Chewbacca saws RAAAAUAAUAUUU

His bow caster says hello :)

Cheers

Baaa

Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

Cheers

Baaa

Chewbacca saws RAAAAUAAUAUUU

His bow caster says hello :)

Isn't that Wookie for "Hello little emo man-child"?

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"my name is Chewbacca the wookie

you killed your father

prepare to die"

Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

Cheers

Baaa

Chewbacca saws RAAAAUAAUAUUU

His bow caster says hello :)

Isn't that Wookie for "Hello little emo man-child"?

Cheers

Baaa

"my name is Chewbacca the wookie

you killed your father

prepare to die"

Cheers

Baaa

I don't quite follow this train of thought where this condition ignores shields. But, I do want to bring something interesting up. Kylo Shuttle with Palp and the new 0pt "A Score to Settle" will combo pretty well together. Or, you could slap Kylo and Palp on a Deci with the ept as well. Provides for a Palpmobile that can fend pretty well for itself.

I thought this wave was terrible but, oh my gosh this is Christmas!

Hmm

Kylo Ren

Emperor

Vader

A score to settle

Title

Advanced target computer

Leaves ya with 28 pts

Delt with title maybe?

If Vader rolls at least 1 focus that's 2 crits when he attacks said ship.

don't think you need to crit stack too much

you have to cancel hit results before crits anyway (unless you're zeb) and Dark Side Showing will fall off as soon as the card is dealt

if you have room for crackshot to force the crit though green dice, that's probably a more useful investment

STS could just go on ren

Edited by ficklegreendice

Chewbacca YT-1300 says hello.

Cheers

Baaa

Chewbacca saws RAAAAUAAUAUUU

His bow caster says hello :)

Isn't that Wookie for "Hello little emo man-child"?

Cheers

Baaa

It's Wookie for "Say hello to my leetle friend!"

I guess there are no plans to spin off the sub factions into their own full factions anytime soon since all the unique TFA crew states 'rebel' or 'empire' only

Hmm

Kylo Ren

Emperor

Vader

A score to settle

Title

Advanced target computer

Leaves ya with 28 pts

Delt with title maybe?

If Vader rolls at least 1 focus that's 2 crits when he attacks said ship.

This sounds like a job for 23point Lieutenant Colzet!

"At the start of the End phase, you may spend a target lock you have on an enemy ship to flip 1 random facedown Damage card assigned to it faceup."

This wave is turning around to be pretty freakin amazing for me really, really quickly. Incredible job fickle dissecting this card. I'm amazed we all tossed it aside after our first read and never looked at it again to realize it was AMAZING.

Hmm, it seems the condition persists even if the ship causing it is already gone. So... even nuking down kylo might not be enough to prevent those nasty crits from happening. Ouch.

Well if Kylo dies the condition sticks around for as long as it has that face up damage card

It's gone soon as that card is dealt though, and there's no way to get it back without Kylo as far as we know

Seems like a good interpretation. Although "it's official" is a bit misleading, as there is no indication that this interpretation has actually been made "official" by anyone outside of the forums.

Question: Maarek Steele seems to exploit this condition incredibly well, so what am I misreading to make this not busted.

To me it looks like this is the situation: Maarek gets an uncanceled critical result (aka critical damage). Condition attempts to deal specified face up damage card. Maarek replaces that card being assigned with drawing 3 card and picking 1, which is still assigned under shields. Condition crit is not used up as it being applied was replaced. Maarek's next uncancelled critical result behaves exactly the same way since the condition is still in effect and never places the faceup card onto the target ship.

stele and leebo need a faq to clarify how it works because right now the wording is broken.

Stele: "When your attack deals a faceup damage card to the defender, instead draw 3 Damage cards, choose 1 to deal, and discard the others"

Issue - You didnt "draw" 3 cards, you drew 2 because of the condition card. Meaning either you completely bypass the card and it sits there, or you break stele's wording. Other option is "instead of the usual effect" means, in this case, the usual effect is Stele's ability. I dont really see how you could say any way is better than the other in terms of how its suppose to work.

Leebo: "When you are dealt a faceup Damage card, draw 1 additional Damage card, choose 1 to resolve, and discard the other"

...actually rereading Leebo there literally isnt an issue here UNLESS you rule Stele's as the "usual effect" which gets trumped by the card, which would trump this too. You were given a faceup card via the condition, Leebo draws 1 more and picks. This one kinda hinges on the Stele justification.

Edited by Vineheart01

Makes sense, he isn't as bad a vader, he gets one crit through if you hit with a crit damage. Vader on the other hand just nukes it outright.

Makes sense, he isn't as bad a vader, he gets one crit through if you hit with a crit damage. Vader on the other hand just nukes it outright.

2 things: 1) assuming you mean crew Vader they actually don't interact sadly, as crew Vader happens after the attack and the condition only works on critical damage from the attack. 2) if Maarek works as I described above and bypasses the card sitting on the condition then it's pretty broken. He gets through 3 uncanceled crit results on a full health bwing and instead of it taking 1 face up and 2 shields it's dead. Replace bwing with any ship with shields and <= 3 hull. Sure it's possible he won't get that many crits but with something like 'a score to settle', Palpatine, and advanced targeting computer it's possible he'll be dropping 3 crits a shot pretty frequently and if he can break this condition to bypass shields every time he sends through an uncanceled crit that's insane.

Kyle Ren, the new Chimp.

Kyle will show us the Dark Side.

I am curious who this Kyle Ren is and how he discovered the power of the Dark Side.