****, I lost one of the most amazing posts I've ever made

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sorry, guys, this was going to be awesome but now I'm just bummed

...okay, keeping it simple

the trigger is "when you suffer critical damage during an attack"

STEP 1: what is "Critical Damage"?

source: https://images-cdn.fantasyflightgames.com/filer_public/40/b4/40b44d5f-7a06-406c-ae6e-183c5297e796/swx36_rulesreference.pdf

"Deal Damage:

If the defender was hit, it suffers one damage for each uncanceled [HIT] result and one critical damage for each uncanceled [CRIT] result. All damage must be suffered before any critical damage may be suffered." (page 5)"

"DAMAGE:

During the “Deal Damage” step of an attack, a ship suffers one damage for each uncanceled result and one critical damage for each uncanceled
result.

When a ship suffers a damage or critical damage, it loses one shield token. If it does not have any shield tokens to lose, it is dealt one Damage card instead.

For normal damage, the Damage card is dealt facedown; for critical damage, the Damage card is dealt faceup and the text on the card immediately
resolves." (page 9)

STEP 2: translation (Kylo Ren Goes Through Shields; not damage cancellation ala green dice)

CRITICAL DAMAGE IS STILL CRITICAL DAMAGE EVEN IF ALL IT DOES IS PLINK A SHIELD

shields DO NOT magically downgrade critical damage into normal damage

here's what "I'll Show You The Dark Side" (******* thing needs an acronym STAT) does

"When a ship suffers a damage or critical damage, it loses one shield token. If it does not have any shield tokens to lose, it is dealt one Damage card instead it is dealt the chosen face-up damage card."

STEP 3: what works and what doesn't?

stuff like Vader (crew) inflicts Critical Damage, but only AFTER an attack

Obstacles inflict Damage and Critical Damage, but they are not attacks (even if you t-beam crap onto them)

Advanced Homing Missiles, Proton Bombs and stuff like Wampa DO NOT inflict Critical Damage they deal face-up damage cards

basically, you just want CRIT rolls to go through enemy green dice. THAT'S IT

here's some good Kylo synergy:

he's good against high cost, high PS pilots and he's the monster Ms. Horn uses to scare her son when he's being bad

and no, Determination is still too crappy to warrant using as a counter

get it?

got it?

good

I'm off to weep for what I've lost

Well, you've just shown me the dark side.

(The true power of the dark side that is)

Indeed. Ace Hard Counter and the rise of the TIE/AD, on top of that: Vader and Ren have Synergy, just not crew vader.

Pretty convenient that you scratched out just enough to avoid "if it does not have any shields to lose".

Am I missing something here? It specifically says shields come into play.

... My oh my. Well spotted, young apprentice.

He just went from 'joke' to 'deadly'. I'd been wondering what the designers had been smoking, now we know what it was.

Mechanical benefits to the fluff, too: he can't force-feed direct hits people, only need with their heads.

Indeed. Ace Hard Counter and the rise of the TIE/AD, on top of that: Vader and Ren have Synergy, just not crew vader.

hmmm

so the consequences of slapping an ace with Damaged Cockpit (PS 0) are REALLY HIGH

but you need to get that CRIT result through green dice regardless

against imperial aces...well, they're literally the hardest ships to hit with dice at all

and because Ren's so particular about "suffer a critical damage" and "during an attack", it's impossible to get any guaranteed Damaged Cockpits (don't think any actually exist yet)

Crackshot ATC vader is probably your best bet there. There's also VI Vader v whisper, but at PS 11 most things might as well have damaged cockpit against him anyway (blinded pilot helps though)

what's really terrified of Kylo Ren, though, is just about every fat PWT.

The poor decimator gets ONE EVADE (isane) and 0 agility

the fat falcon is slightly better off with two (C3po and evade from ye ole title)

so you either make them PS 0 (no arcdodging, no effortlessly killing anything vefore it shoots) or you blind them and shut off over 50% of their list's damage output

just when you thought Hotr made it safe to play a yt again

also, rebel regenerators obviously hate this guy. Forget about the debilitating crit effects, these guys have 2 and 3 hull. Christ, you stack this **** with Wampa and you'll never see Corran Horn again

Pretty convenient that you scratched out just enough to avoid "if it does not have any shields to lose".

Am I missing something here? It specifically says shields come into play.

what does?

Dark Side Showing?

it just says "when you suffering a critical damage during an attack"

and the rules say when you suffer a critical damage, you either lose a shield or get dealt a face-up damage card

the shield doesn't make the damage you took any less critical

If I'm not mistaken, Kylo can use the conditions multiple times, so every action you spend could be to give out this condition, and then have good 'ol Vader or Palpatine add/change a crit and (if the crit does hit) basically garentees a face up damaged card. Not to mention the card could be any damage card with the pilot trait, so you could give the opponent blinded pilot 2 times in a row, then all of the other cards...

I definitely underestimated Kylo until now...

EDIT: decimator with Kylo and palp along with Vader ATC can guarantee a crit on the unlucky fellow

Pretty convenient that you scratched out just enough to avoid "if it does not have any shields to lose".

Am I missing something here? It specifically says shields come into play.

The part where "I'll Show You the Dark Side" says ignore the standard rules and deal the card instead.

Pretty convenient that you scratched out just enough to avoid "if it does not have any shields to lose".

Am I missing something here? It specifically says shields come into play.

'you are instead'

If I'm not mistaken, Kylo can use the conditions multiple times, so every action you spend could be to give out this condition, and then have good 'ol Vader or Palpatine add/change a crit and (if the crit does hit) basically garentees a face up damaged card. Not to mention the card could be any damage card with the pilot trait, so you could give the opponent blinded pilot 2 times in a row, then all of the other cards...

I definitely underestimated Kylo until now...

so the way the condition works is presented in the spoiler

Kylo's condition is unique (the condition card has that DOT on it, just like the Kylo crew card)

basically, you have ONE out at a time

but after that one has expired (last sentence on the card says to discard the condition when there is no Damage Card on it; so it's gone after it has dealt its card), you're free to use it again

if you use Kylo while Dark Side Showing is still active (has a face-up damage card on it), ALL IT DOES IS CHANGE THE SHIP AFFECTED

it does not pick up a new damage card, as per the first paragraph

Pretty convenient that you scratched out just enough to avoid "if it does not have any shields to lose".

Am I missing something here? It specifically says shields come into play.

The part where "I'll Show You the Dark Side" says ignore the standard rules and deal the card instead.

technically, the rules tell you to ignore the standard rules in favor of upgrade cards, but yes that is correct

Perfect! Thanks for clarification guys.

Hmm... Much better than I thought now. Kylo is indeed a potent weapon.

Although, I just noticed that the condition card says:

" While this card is assigned, if it is not already in play..."

So could this mean if you and the opponent both had Kylo, then to use the condition it's first come first serve? Say, my opponent has Kylo on a generic lambda, and he spends the action to put Show of Dark Side on my PS4 upsilon. I have Kylo on my upsilon, but since Show of Dark Side is already in play, I can't use it?

no idea about how having two Kylos would turn out, not explicitly anyway

I don't think it'd matter, just like having two uniques of anything show up on opposite ends of the table, but I can't cite anything concrete

oh and also

anyone here hate Dengaroo's Dengar?

well, Kylo ren literally breaks the list in half by denying Dengar's ability with blinded pilot

if Dengar doesn't get his ability (no ships in arc), Kylo just cold clocked that entire list for a round

just gotta get past 2/3 LW + focus green dice

you're welcome!

I'll Show You the Dark Side = ISYtDS = ISY = Issy Fit.

Forum Name done.

I'll Show You the Dark Side = ISYtDS = ISY = Issy Fit.

Forum Name done.

yeah but I'll is I will which is IWSYTDS

which sounds like a horrible venereal disease

Hey Ren! Your Dark Side is showing!

HA-HA!

It's funny because your Dark Side is your hair.

Yikes. If they get a dedicated "this crit hits" mechanic I'll rescind my claims that Corran doesn't need another hull.

Hey, anyone notice that kylo's shuttle has four dice? And an EPT?

Yeah, you can force crits, with a gun big enough to make sure they hit.

the CRIT result is probably likely? (math isn't my thing) but not guaranteed

then again, two seats for palp

Yikes. If they get a dedicated "this crit hits" mechanic I'll rescind my claims that Corran doesn't need another hull.

or E-wing test pilot

determination!

The condition card says 'may'. So the person who is assigned it doesn't need to put a damage card on it?

The condition card says 'may'. So the person who is assigned it doesn't need to put a damage card on it?

seems so

in which case, it just goes away (last sentence)

just in case you look through the deck and realize all they have left is Shaken (not stirred) Pilot, I guess?

Although, I just noticed that the condition card says:

" While this card is assigned, if it is not already in play..."

So could this mean if you and the opponent both had Kylo, then to use the condition it's first come first serve? Say, my opponent has Kylo on a generic lambda, and he spends the action to put Show of Dark Side on my PS4 upsilon. I have Kylo on my upsilon, but since Show of Dark Side is already in play, I can't use it?

So this just went from amazing to irrelevant, because noone is going to choose a crit they can't live with to go on there. Unless it gets reworded.

I hate to be the one to break it to you but your interpretation is wrong.
I know what it's like to think you designed a card with perfect wording for what you meant, and then need to revise it to clarify what you meant, and I'm very certain this is going to get an errata very soon.

I see what you have ignored to have your interpretation, and that is that the Kylo damage card is dealt instead of something. That something has to be another damage card, or by your interpretation the target would keep the shield and "instead" receive the Kylo card.