That's a bit difference. That's hating on haters, not hating on ships that people want in.

I'm excited for 9 (though deathwatch may delay my purchase) I enjoyed 8. I'm excited for at least one ship out of 10.

I can think of at least a dozen ships I'd like in the game from the golden era of the EU. Not all of them are from the X-wing series. (Though you got me, 7-8 are).

Kimo with krayt title should be in.

I'm in the same type of boat right beside you my main Starior... it would not hurt my feelings at all to see EVERY HUTT SHIP in the game... HUH... HUH... HUH!

Right, and I get it. Your issue is with people taking the XG1 thing too far.

Fine. Whatever, I can sort of see your point there, maaybe the shirt was a bit much. I thought it funny. I am fairly sure the intent was that it was funny. Some see the Gunboat thing as overbearing.

Yeah I see it as guys (some of whom I like) just getting madder as each new wave hits and we see exactly where FFG is going moving forward. It just seems kinda sad and I do not like to feel bad for/about my Star Brahs and Star Peeps in general.

Why do people actually get very angry over a little rule for example... it just goes to The DARK Side... and that ain't good.

The Story GLORY... I love it too!

If we're going to keep adding EU stuff, clearly we need to go all in.

No we don't. They can and should consider each ship that they add and make sure it actually fits, and will sell well.

The mear fact that it exists isn't justification enough to be put into this game. Also the Vong don't really exist anymore.

Neither do a bunch of the ships that are currently in. I guess they need to be removed.

reductio ad absurdum strikes again.

You know logical fallacies are bad for your argument right?

Some ships deserve to be "official" Some, you want mels. My DX-9 and Escort shuttle for example. 3rd party, fine. the BFF-1 Bulk Freighter is another one, though that can fairly easily be home-made.

I am seriously considering making one.

Some ships, XG-1, Kimo with Krayt Title. They deserve an official release.

Back to JBR-7 - not all of us are exactly getting madder. To be fair, the last 3 waves have been fairly skubtastic, if you want to keep OT, and not go ST then it's a fairly bad time for Empire. Amazing for Scum, ... ish for Rebels depending or not you like SW-Rebels.

Neither do a bunch of the ships that are currently in.

Exactly which ships can you point out that have been removed from the canon? Considering we're past the point that the Vong would've shown up we can say they don't exist any longer in the canon.

However the same can't be said of the K-Wing, or Raider or VT-49...

Even if we could that doesn't change anything, not every ship in the EU should be added in, regardless of its status. Plus the Vong are a whole new faction not ships that would be added to the existing factions. So that's going to have a much higher bar.

I've kinda spiritually left this topic to talk to myself about whether wood or plasticard is best for the BFF-1...

I'm not gonna say no to vong. I'm just gonna say mels.

Edit: alright then.

http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/alternate-dimensions/24934-star-wars-freighters-2.html

Clean up in aisle three.

Exactly which ships can you point out that have been removed from the canon? Considering we're past the point that the Vong would've shown up we can say they don't exist any longer in the canon.

They can exist with a different arc. Something like "Thrawn kicked their behinds between TCW and Rebels, and most of them gave up on this galaxy and moved on to the next".

So, less "galaxy-conquering horde" and more "random alien pirates lurking in the Unknown Regions".

I've kinda spiritually left this topic to talk to myself about whether wood or plasticard is best for the BFF-1...

I'm not gonna say no to vong. I'm just gonna say mels.

Edit: alright then.

http://www.papermodelers.com/forum/alternate-dimensions/24934-star-wars-freighters-2.html

Clean up in aisle three.

Dat guy has some of my $$$ coming... after I get this new computer paid off next month.

Exactly which ships can you point out that have been removed from the canon? Considering we're past the point that the Vong would've shown up we can say they don't exist any longer in the canon.

They can exist with a different arc. Something like "Thrawn kicked their behinds between TCW and Rebels, and most of them gave up on this galaxy and moved on to the next".

So, less "galaxy-conquering horde" and more "random alien pirates lurking in the Unknown Regions".

Not to bring up KOTOR but... Canderous Ordo is super-heavily implied to have fought a coralskipper.

Neither do a bunch of the ships that are currently in.

Exactly which ships can you point out that have been removed from the canon? Considering we're past the point that the Vong would've shown up we can say they don't exist any longer in the canon.

However the same can't be said of the K-Wing, or Raider or VT-49...

Even if we could that doesn't change anything, not every ship in the EU should be added in, regardless of its status. Plus the Vong are a whole new faction not ships that would be added to the existing factions. So that's going to have a much higher bar.

You mean like how the Vong were coming to The Clone Wars if it hadn't been cancelled? Or how Scum and Villainy was added as a faction despite many of us (myself included) thought they'd never do it?

You mean like how the Vong were coming to The Clone Wars if it hadn't been cancelled?

But it was canceled so what exactly is your point? They didn't show up and they have been removed from the canon as we know it.

Or how Scum and Villainy was added as a faction despite many of us (myself included) thought they'd never do it?

I didn't think they'd do it either, but S&V covers a whole lot more than the Vong ever would. I mean we're talking about every 3rd party character in the Star Wars IP, may of which actually showed up in a canon source.

As far as we know Disney/LFL may never allow it, or we may see it next week. But the idea that we need to remove existing ships or else we must include the Vong is sloppy logic of the first order.

If vong appear in rebels, and have sufficient variation to allow enough pilot cards. Sure.

Till they do, they are the worst part of the EU, also alternate timeline.

THIS SAID:

Mara Jade is alternate timeline too.

The big no behind the vong really to me at least is that it's doesn't fit the theme of Star Wars. They never have.

Yeah I see it as guys (some of whom I like) just getting madder as each new wave hits and we see exactly where FFG is going moving forward. It just seems kinda sad and I do not like to feel bad for/about my Star Brahs and Star Peeps in general.

...so why exactly do you troll them with posts like:

...I already know the answer, I'm just interested to hear your explanation for that kind of behaviour.

oh ****

Joe is actually Reaper from Overwatch

that explains some things

I just think you two need to go get a hotel, get some snuggle time away from the kids and make up. The drama is ridiculous and unnecessary.

What drama, Darius? I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy on display here. I'm not the one trolling topics with hateful, childish comments in size 48 font or endlessly spamming them with off topic emojis.

Unless someone deliberately quotes that hot garbage, all I see is neat little white lines.

oh ****

Joe is actually Reaper from Overwatch

that explains some things

See, that right there. The ignoring - yet pointing it out. Yes, Joe needs to stop with the trollin' just a little, but I kinda got why he got peeved at you, either way you guys need to hash it out over PM or something. Cause public shots at each other as vague as they are is getting... what's the British word I'd use... tiresome.

The big no behind the vong really to me at least is that it's doesn't fit the theme of Star Wars. They never have.

I'd agree that the Vong is quite possible the worse thing to ever happen in the EU, they're one of the reasons I stopped reading the EU. As a concept they were horrible and frankly a great example of sloppy and lazy writing...

But whether they should or shouldn't be in X-Wing isn't the point, and not something I care to debate.

My issue is the massive amounts of illogic in the statement... "If we're going to keep adding EU stuff, clearly we need to go all in." Because that is one of the dumber things I've seen in awhile.

idk who the vong are, but I'd love an "alien" threat in star wars

especially something that embodies the desire-driven excess of the dark side, something that could encapsulate a sentient being's deepest, darkest desires and how, under the veneer of rationalism and social contracts, we're really all just base animals at heart

but Firefly already did the Reavers, so meh

The big no behind the vong really to me at least is that it's doesn't fit the theme of Star Wars. They never have.

I'd agree that the Vong is quite possible the worse thing to ever happen in the EU, they're one of the reasons I stopped reading the EU. As a concept they were horrible and frankly a great example of sloppy and lazy writing...

But whether they should or shouldn't be in X-Wing isn't the point, and not something I care to debate.

My issue is the massive amounts of illogic in the statement... "If we're going to keep adding EU stuff, clearly we need to go all in." Because that is one of the dumber things I've seen in awhile.

As I had mentioned... reductio ad absurdum. You're not wrong, but in the same sense such a fallacy barely merits argument. It's designed to either push a point of view or otherwise to troll a subject with no intent of sane argument.

Remember that Lucas Arts is still it's own company under Disney. It's a lot of the same people as before.

Lucas Arts had to approve the Imperial Raider before FFG could release it. That's why it was delayed.

Jim, you keep saying LucasArts on your podcast and it's driving me nuts. It's Lucasfilm. LucasArts was a branch of Lucasfilm that handled the video games, and has long since, I believe, been defunct.*

Whew. Sorry about that. Carry on.

EDIT: Not defunct, apparently, just no longer a video game developer. Nevertheless, LucasArts publishes & licenses video games.

The point is that none of us (unless there are some ninjas from FFG/Disney posting here) have any real impact on what ships (or even factions) are going to be in the game. "X ship from Y EU source should be added, but not Z" is a value judgment that isn't necessarily shared by the designers.

With the previews of Wave 10 up, I believe that my suspicions have been confirmed true; it seems very likely that FFG is done releasing EU ships for X-wing. This is the second consecutive wave where the only new ships have been from the Rebels TV show, or the new movies. It's hard to argue against this when we now have the quad-jumper tug boat, whose single qualification for inclusion in X-wing is 2-3 seconds of screen time in TFA.

To those of you who would argue that FFG has simply run out new ships to model, take a look at the new Armada ships as well. As a (relatively) new game, Armada has probably hundreds of untapped capital ships from the EU, some of which are very iconic or extremely recognizable. Instead, they got two capital ships which aired in Rebels.

Anyone think differently? I would love to be proven wrong, as I grew up reading books from the EU and have little to no attachment to Rebels.

One of those new ships "from Rebels" in Armada is the Interdictor, which was originally an EU ship. The folks who make Rebels like the EU, and have been pulling things from the EU into it where it makes sense and when possible. So the two are not mutually exclusive.

In any case, it makes financial sense to market ships from a currently airing TV series while those ships are immediately recognizable to a large number of people. Even among EU fans, not everyone picked up the old WEG source books or read the comics, so not everyone even knew what, say, a Dreadnought even looked like. So going with ships from the visual media first also makes sense.

But even with that, there's no guarantee they're done with the EU. FFG is still going to end up running out of ships to take from Rebels sooner rather than later. Same with Episode 7, Rogue One, even Episode 8 and beyond. I'd be surprised if they don't return to the EU well in time. Assuming, of course, that Rebels doesn't pull it out of EU and into canon first, anyway

The point is that none of us (unless there are some ninjas from FFG/Disney posting here) have any real impact on what ships (or even factions) are going to be in the game. "X ship from Y EU source should be added, but not Z" is a value judgment that isn't necessarily shared by the designers.

Completely factually accurate.

But may I point out that if that's the case why talk about anything? Not to be a nihilist but you know, if we can't effect anything why bother.

The answer of course (avoiding earlier fallacy) is that we can dream up stuff, ideas, custom ship cards. FFG do read the boards and do listen. They get ideas. If nothing else, we can shoot ideas between us for fun games.

S'all about the little toy ships and how to play with them.

See, that right there. The ignoring - yet pointing it out. Yes, Joe needs to stop with the trollin' just a little, but I kinda got why he got peeved at you, either way you guys need to hash it out over PM or something. Cause public shots at each other as vague as they are is getting... what's the British word I'd use... tiresome.

No, Joe needs to stop with the trolling and spamming full stop. Not a tiny bit; full stop. I'm not the only one to have brought it up; I'm not even the only one to have brought it up today for that matter.

As for "hashing it out" over PM, I've got much better things to do with my time. I've seen his true colours, he's been blocked, that's the end of it.

But if you find it tiresome, that's the last I'll personally say on the matter. I'll leave you to address any further trolling and spamming.

Alright. I'm not gonna push this further, you both know where I stand.