I'm pretty sure that most people who instantly recognized the Quadjumper recognized it from Wookiepedia more than from the movie. While "The garbage will do" is definitely an iconic scene for being the reintroduction of the Millennium Falcon, we didn't get all that good a look at the Quadjumper before it blew up. And we saw it in the movie from the opposite angle that the miniature was displayed in FFG's announcement (below and behind rather than above and in front).

That said, Rey did actually call it a Quadjumper in the movie, so movie-only fans might remember the name as well.

I'm pretty sure that most people who instantly recognized the Quadjumper recognized it from Wookiepedia more than from the movie. While "The garbage will do" is definitely an iconic scene for being the reintroduction of the Millennium Falcon, we didn't get all that good a look at the Quadjumper before it blew up. And we saw it in the movie from the opposite angle that the miniature was displayed in FFG's announcement (below and behind rather than above and in front).

EU is far from its end, but it is at the back of the line. They will actively publish ships that support the IP as it grows over anything EU. However the IP may well tap the EU when convenient. No reason not to bring in elements that are already designed and you already own.

There were 2 EU ships in the last wave that got released, so Disney/Lucasfilm/FFG/whoever obviously have no particular objection to dipping into the EU when necessary. There's zero chance that Rebels and the new films will provide enough new ships to release 2-3 waves a year plus aces packs, Epic ships etc. So let's just calm down a bit, eh?

so if we are restricting this to Star Wars fans who only saw the movie once...

Isn't interesting how people keep wanting to make exclusions or provisions on what sources count?

I mean if we exclude things like wokipedia and the like... then Wave 3 is the last wave that had ships most people would recognize, at least until the Rebels and TFA stuff started to come out.

I mean how many people here actually knew what a K-Wing looked liked without going to Wokipedia?

"I mean how many people here actually knew what a K-Wing looked liked without going to Wookipedia?"

I did. FFG did an amazing job given the source material...

Valid points though, but that's the thing with the EU. It's been around a bit, so the nerdier of us know and respect ships, characters etc from it.

Hence the nerdgasms when Thrawn came back.

It's also an amazing point that half of wave 8 was EU.

Someone needs to make a chicken little pilot card.

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the delight of a forum is the exchange of ideas, but you calling people liars because they don't agree with you on what they can and can't remember is pretty silly.

Kind of ironic that you end with this, after a big, long post of essentially, "I remember this ship and I don't remember the EU ones".

You've seen the scene 1,000+ times, and clearly the ship made an impression on you. That's great. I've only seen the movie a dozen times, and the ship made absolutely no impression on me (when I saw FFG's post this morning, I originally figured it must be from Rebels, until I found these topics in the forums). On the other hand, I studied The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and other Star Wars books growing up, and spent hundreds of hours on most any game with the Star Wars logo on it. Which of us represents fans, in general?

What it really comes down to is that both views (Quadjumper is more recognizable vs EU is more recognizable) are highly individual, and neither side can necessarily say that their view is representative of the fan base at large (barring further statistics).

FFG did an amazing job given the source material...

I heard of the K-Wing and likely saw a picture of it at one point. But I think there's few people who really knew what it looked like, without having it look it up first.

The Quadjumper is at least as well recognized by most people as the K-Wing was I'd bet.

so if we are restricting this to Star Wars fans who only saw the movie once...

Isn't interesting how people keep wanting to make exclusions or provisions on what sources count?

I mean if we exclude things like wokipedia and the like... then Wave 3 is the last wave that had ships most people would recognize, at least until the Rebels and TFA stuff started to come out.

I mean how many people here actually knew what a K-Wing looked liked without going to Wokipedia?

I am not trying to do any of the above (my original answer sourced a cross-sections book for my knowledge), my point with that was that I agreed, on a single viewing I wouldn't expect people to have a "OH MY GOD" moment at the quadjumper but on repeated viewings - with some of the natural curiosity that goes with being a SW fan - I'd be genuinely surprised if people STILL felt an overwhelming "what now?" moment.

I consider myself to be a pretty big Star Wars fan but never loved the EU (I'm definitely "a reader" but very little of the EU tickled my fancy) and had never heard of a bunch of ships in XWM - K-Wing, E-Wing, Phantom, StarViper, IG200, Mist Hunter, JM5K - and had to go read up about those to understand their place in lore, etc.

However, what's funny? None of that EVER stopped me having fun with those ships. And any I didn't personally love - I'm looking at YOU Tristan StarViper and G-1A - I am still happy I bought and would happily buy again.

I think the only time I will be unhappy with the contents of a wave will be if it's the FINAL wave before the game is discontinued. Until then, even if no ships truly appeal to me, I'll happily add them to the collection and see what play possibilities they bring.

I mean how many people here actually knew what a K-Wing looked liked without going to Wokipedia?

Me! Me!

TBF though I've dug into the EU enough that I recognize every single ship that's been released.

FFG did an amazing job given the source material...

I heard of the K-Wing and likely saw a picture of it at one point. But I think there's few people who really knew what it looked like, without having it look it up first.

The Quadjumper is at least as well recognized by most people as the K-Wing was I'd bet.

And as for that, I didn't recognize the quadjumper until I re-watched the clip.

EDIT: Not to say I'm speaking for the majority though. Your points are still valid.

What it really comes down to is that both views (Quadjumper is more recognizable vs EU is more recognizable) are highly individual, and neither side can necessarily say that their view is representative of the fan base at large (barring further statistics).

Bingo. I believe we are making the same point. I am not telling anyone they HAVE to know the Quad-jumper, just offered my own anecdotal viewpoint. But to be collectively called "liars" for remembering the ship or to have people insist "this series of books that *I* loved counts MORE than what you recently remember from the movie and/or additional reading and/or pop-culture" is, as I said before, silly.

FFG did an amazing job given the source material...

I heard of the K-Wing and likely saw a picture of it at one point. But I think there's few people who really knew what it looked like, without having it look it up first.

The Quadjumper is at least as well recognized by most people as the K-Wing was I'd bet.

For the K -wing I'd have to begrudgingly admit more so.

It's one of the more obscure and bottom of the barrel EU creations. Like the TIE Interdictor I only really knew it as one appearance and a joke ship we used so say would never be in X-wing.

The Quad Jumper is at least "that ship that got blown up so they could fly the falcon".

Any argument of "The TIE Bomber only appeared in one scene bombing an asteroid" (and another parked on the 2nd death star i think) doesn't fly, because said TIE Bomber was in Rogue squadron, many books, RPG source books, has a lego, was in the X-wing series of games etc etc etc.

FFG did an amazing job given the source material...

I heard of the K-Wing and likely saw a picture of it at one point. But I think there's few people who really knew what it looked like, without having it look it up first.

The Quadjumper is at least as well recognized by most people as the K-Wing was I'd bet.

For the K -wing I'd have to begrudgingly admit more so.

It's one of the more obscure and bottom of the barrel EU creations. Like the TIE Interdictor I only really knew it as one appearance and a joke ship we used so say would never be in X-wing.

The Quad Jumper is at least "that ship that got blown up so they could fly the falcon".

Any argument of "The TIE Bomber only appeared in one scene bombing an asteroid" (and another parked on the 2nd death star i think) doesn't fly, because said TIE Bomber was in Rogue squadron, many books, RPG source books, has a lego, was in the X-wing series of games etc etc etc.

Actually I'd argue the K-wing is one of the less obscure EU ships. Bottom of the barrel, but anyone with a reasonable amount of EU knowledge seems to know what it is.

But lets be real, every wave after Wave 4 people have been complaining about ships scraping the bottom of the barrel.

As you can easily tell from the first link in my signature, we're nowhere bear the bottom of the barrel for the EU yet. And I've only listed the ships which have visual representations...

Whether or not you personally like the new material, do you honestly expect FFG to NOT make ships that appear on screen and are recognizable to current Star Wars fans, regardless of age?

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

and yet...we all recognized it

weird how that works, eh?

We did?

I just read the description.

Are you sure you didn't just see the logo, read the description that went with it and said "Oh, yeah, that thing"?

Because I'm positive that was the reaction of the majority of people, lol.

I'd like to get a head count on the liars people who had immediate, unassisted visual recall on that ship.

Honest to God, I feel like people are trying to push so hard on the idea that this is unrecognizable that they're about to go through the wall.

Not at all. Just throwing the BS Flag on the "We all recognized it" fantasy, lol.

You already admitted you only recognized it because you watched a trailer 1000 times. I'm going to guess there's only a limited number of people like you. I actually confused it with the ship Finn tries to get on later in the film and thought the model for X-Wing was too small, that's how much of a non-entity the Quadjumper is to The Force Awakens.

For the rest of us, even the people who have watched TFA multiple times, the ship has only slightly more screen time than the potato asteroid, and unlike the potato, never even made it to space.

I'm not even hating on it. It's a cool looking little ship and . Certainly better than the TIE Punisher, split turbines, or TIE Fighters with white solar panels. But that doesn't make it "recognizable" in any sense of the word. And especially not to "we all".

Whether or not you personally like the new material, do you honestly expect FFG to NOT make ships that appear on screen and are recognizable to current Star Wars fans, regardless of age?

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

and yet...we all recognized it

weird how that works, eh?

We did?

I just read the description.

Are you sure you didn't just see the logo, read the description that went with it and said "Oh, yeah, that thing"?

Because I'm positive that was the reaction of the majority of people, lol.

I'd like to get a head count on the liars people who had immediate, unassisted visual recall on that ship.

Honest to God, I feel like people are trying to push so hard on the idea that this is unrecognizable that they're about to go through the wall.

Not at all. Just throwing the BS Flag on the "We all recognized it" fantasy, lol.

You already admitted you only recognized it because you watched a trailer 1000 times. I'm going to guess there's only a limited number of people like you. I actually confused it with the ship Finn tries to get on later in the film and thought the model for X-Wing was too small, that's how much of a non-entity the Quadjumper is to The Force Awakens.

For the rest of us, even the people who have watched TFA multiple times, the ship has only slightly more screen time than the potato asteroid, and unlike the potato, never even made it to space.

I'm not even hating on it. It's a cool looking little ship and . Certainly better than the TIE Punisher, split turbines, or TIE Fighters with white solar panels. But that doesn't make it "recognizable" in any sense of the word. And especially not to "we all".

A position I have never taken - however, I would still dispute the idea that an obscure EU ship is either inherently more recognizable or valuable than a ship in current canon (regardless of the amount of screen time).

My argument has not been that everyone should know the quadjumper (and point of clarification, I was actually aware of what it was from the cross-sections book more than the trailer, watching that repeatedly just caused the quadjumper to make more of an impression on me than on others, perhaps) but that saying it was a worthless inclusion OVER stuff yet to be mined from the EU was a personal viewpoint and not something that deserved to be stated as fact.

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

Approval is one thing, but I don't think that means Disney or even Lucas Arts are dictating which ships to release.

It does however mean that Disney and LFL could looks at the line-up and say, "Hey, that's a Legends ship, we want to milk canon first to bring new people in, come up with something that's canon". Or say, "We want this ship in first since it was in the movie vs. the new comics".

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

Approval is one thing, but I don't think that means Disney or even Lucas Arts are dictating which ships to release.

While the relationship is good, that does not mean that LFL isn't able to dictate such things. They have before, and I would be shocked if they license agreement doesn't give them that power.

Tie Fighter, as a 1995 flight-sim videogame, has been played by a tiny fraction of the modern star wars audience.

Force Awakens, as the newest main-line entry in the series, has been seen by basically everyone who calls themselves a star wars fan, by this point.

The question is, is the tiny fraction of people who watched are remembered the ship that got blown up, more or less than the number of people who fell in love with the gunboat from a niche game 20 years ago?

The question is, is the tiny fraction of people who watched are remembered the ship that got blown up, more or less than the number of people who fell in love with the gunboat from a niche game 20 years ago?

LOL @ "niche game". The X-Wing Miniatures Game is itself a "niche game", and one that was inspired by those 1990's "niche games" in the first place.

Quite a lot of the players I know bought into the X-Wing Miniatures Game in the first place due to the very fact that it was inspired by those 1990's PC games of the same name. The fact that the games came out in the 90's doesn't inherently mean that their audience was limited to people who played PC games in the 90's either - people of all ages have been playing them for over 20 years now.

But as to your the point; I'd imagine the number of people who can recognise and can name the Quadjumper are probably very similar to the number of people who can recognise and name the Gunboat - or at least closer than you'd imagine. They've got something in common, after all; they're Star Wars fans.

I feel like this discussion may be missing the point a little. The Gunboat has a small and vocal following that, as Gecko just pointed out, are part of a key demographic drawn to Xwing. The Quadjumper is a background detail that had a "blink and you miss it" role in the new blockbuster movie. Both represent the lifeblood of Legends/Canon stories: small background details or evolutions of familiar designs that help fill in the Star Wars universe and allow our imaginations to play within it.

The difference is that FFG has a chance to help write the story associated with the Quadjumper. The way they implement it in game may allow it to have an identity of its own in future stories. The story of the Gunboat is already written. It's no less deserving to be included, but if FFG want to participate in the telling of new (canon) stories, which I think is healthy for the game, it makes sense for them to include the Quadjumper.

The Quadjumper has many problems: the briefest of cameos, the charm of a TIE Punisher with its wings torn off by a curious child but its main problem is that it completes with a fair few EU craft that look miles better.

The merits of the Gunboat have been done to death. It has a role in the faction, has a place in the faction, it has a sizeable demographic that'll spend a fair bit of money on it. But someone in the design team thinks that people will keep buying iterations of TIE so we're unlikely to see it.

Once again though, which one had a bigger or smaller impact is entirely irrelevant.

They choose what ships to release based on their own internal reasoning. If you think that profitability for them equals recognizability, then they have already made clear which one they feel is more recognizable. More likely their choice has to do with asset management and design space management, but I don't know, and you don't know.

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

Approval is one thing, but I don't think that means Disney or even Lucas Arts are dictating which ships to release.

While the relationship is good, that does not mean that LFL isn't able to dictate such things. They have before, and I would be shocked if they license agreement doesn't give them that power.

I must have missed it. What did they force FFG to release in X-Wing?

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

Approval is one thing, but I don't think that means Disney or even Lucas Arts are dictating which ships to release.

While the relationship is good, that does not mean that LFL isn't able to dictate such things. They have before, and I would be shocked if they license agreement doesn't give them that power.

I must have missed it. What did they force FFG to release in X-Wing?

We don't know (and probably never will), but absence of proof should not be considered proof of absence.

Personally, while I highly doubt LFL and Disney micromanage FFGs release schedule, I think broad stroke,like 'please promote Rebels more' or 'please have Rogue One tie-in products ready for movie premiere' aren't outside the realm of possibility.