Most of them look absolutely horrific as well

The raider is better than anything left in the EU and watt better than anything I've seen in this new fangled canon cartoon show.

The raider is nice, but I personally still would have prefered the Vigil Stardestroyer instead.

Maybe, maybe not. Is there any guarantee the Quadjumper will be used in other stories?

Thanks! I've been trying to think up an idea for a Star Wars short story recently and as soon as I read your post it got me thinking about uses for the quadjumper. I think I can make an excellent pirate ship out of them. This is going to be fun.

http://www.mrskathyking.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/12374747_956526294441268_3816823998068415645_o.jpg Kylo Ren seems to be on a thrilling adventure in a Quadjumper here!!!

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

Moreover,the ship largely doesn't exist outside the movie either. If you go to wookiepedia to look for a given EU ship from the game, you usually get a significant amount of more-or-less memorable stories.

Man, what's your point with all this? What are you trying to get at? That some ships 'deserves' to get made before some other ship?

It's their game, they are going to make the ships they want to make, for any reason and in any order. That is solely their prerogative. Nothing 'deserves' to be done first. You don't 'deserve' to get your preferred ship. It doesn't matter how recognizable it is, because the only way 'recognizable' factors into a discussion is people on the forums surmising that more recognizable equals more profitable, but there is no actual to reason think that this is true to their thinking. Maybe this just better introduces gameplay elements they want to highlight. Maybe someone at FFG just loves the look of it. The point is, it doesn't matter why they made the choice, because its their choice to make.

Just ... relax, everybody. There's no clandestine ploy to prevent your favourite ships from appearing. There's no sinister plot to kiddy-fy or disney-fy the game. If they don't pull from the EU ever again, its not because they hate you and it.

Enjoy the things you enjoy, don't fret over the things you don't. You'll live longer and happier.

This will be the first wave without a ship from SWG.

I still want everything coming out, but it means it'll be that much longer before the rest of the SWG ships are in my collection.

Honestly they've tapped everything worth taping from Legends, all that's left are weird/ridiculous ships from random places that may or may not have small but obnoxiously obsessed cult followings. Bring on the new blood!

It depends on what Disney puts in the EU. Now Disney has been more of revising the old EU, (Dark Forces, Shadows of the Empire, Empire at War ect..) with their movies and cartoons. After all they did put G Admiral Thrawn back in the cannon. So EU is not dead, it is just slowly getting reintegrated. Although the Vong is out, they're pretty much dead to existence. Good bye Yuzzahan Vong!

I prefer the Vong War NJO over the Thrawn trilogy. It's what brought me back into Star Wars besides Kotor and the first Battlefront.

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

Moreover,the ship largely doesn't exist outside the movie either. If you go to wookiepedia to look for a given EU ship from the game, you usually get a significant amount of more-or-less memorable stories.

Man, what's your point with all this? What are you trying to get at? That some ships 'deserves' to get made before some other ship?

It's their game, they are going to make the ships they want to make, for any reason and in any order. That is solely their prerogative. Nothing 'deserves' to be done first. You don't 'deserve' to get your preferred ship. It doesn't matter how recognizable it is, because the only way 'recognizable' factors into a discussion is people on the forums surmising that more recognizable equals more profitable, but there is no actual to reason think that this is true to their thinking. Maybe this just better introduces gameplay elements they want to highlight. Maybe someone at FFG just loves the look of it. The point is, it doesn't matter why they made the choice, because its their choice to make.

Just ... relax, everybody. There's no clandestine ploy to prevent your favourite ships from appearing. There's no sinister plot to kiddy-fy or disney-fy the game. If they don't pull from the EU ever again, its not because they hate you and it.

Enjoy the things you enjoy, don't fret over the things you don't. You'll live longer and happier.

The raider is better than anything left in the EU and watt better than anything I've seen in this new fangled canon cartoon show.

The raider is nice, but I personally still would have prefered the Vigil Stardestroyer instead.

This was the ship that I called along with Gon Gon Zillah... a year and some months ago for our IMP-Huge-Babies. We did kind of get V-Baby... just slimed down from a Spade to a Spike, and the guns got tiny.

I own one and it is fine, just not great.

The consolation is that a certain badass 3D Artist actuality makes a Vigil for Dat MARDA and I am going to have this wonderful Battling-Bastard in that game... for Joe Joe's X-Mas!

Not feeling it, but it reminds me of that pocket Super Star Destroyer that was pretty sexy. It basically boils down to disneytards and people who never liked the EU repeating that they want to move on, when there is very little to move on to without reclying.

I personally want scum to get uglies in and Nym's Havoc, the Imps to get gunboats and TIE Aggressors, and rebels to get T-wings and XJ3s/StealthXs. Far more original, and still have a host of opportunities then shoehorning a shiny reskin or new trilogy design which doesn't really cut it.

Or we can choose to make storyboard and squadron formations a form of release.

With new ships showing up in future movies and TV, there's no reason to dip into the EU for future waves. The ARC-170, instead of a more galactic civil war ship, like the NTB-630 naval bomber, is a pretty clear indicator they'd rather go old canon than non-canon.

The Xg-1, however, could very well find itself on the shelf, since it's such a fan favorite.

Other than that, there plenty more canon ships from the comics, Clone Wars and prequels to pull from.

8) GX-1 Short Hauler

To answer the original Poster's comment, I really hope they are not done yet. Disney's walking a very thin line on their investment. They want to make a return on a big purchase, but if the quality and quantity of their material sucks they stand to lose a lot of money. Alienating the fans of the original trilogy and the original expanded universe could trigger such a loss. This is not Star Trek where they had a TV series to build from. This is an established fan base with a moderate amount of content (some more solid than others) that sustained them for nigh on 30 years. S*** on that and kids will be turned off against a product their parents are disgusted with.

The quadjumper is certainly more recognizable to almost every mainstream fan than the assault gunboat. I don't even understand why that ship is so insanely popular.

dsul413, on 07 Aug 2016 - 9:44 PM, said:

The quadjumper is certainly more recognizable to almost every mainstream fan than the assault gunboat. I don't even understand why that ship is so insanely popular.

Define mainstream fan? That has more to do with the flaming that surrounds the gunboat than anything else. This is a franchise that has been around for longer than a lot of the fans have been alive. For me it is more iconic than Vader's tie advanced. I spent hours in the virtual cockpit of a gunboat. Vader's was his private prototype that was shot down and held little interest to me.

Getting old EU ships isn't going to end until we stop supporting X-Wing, the sales drop off and it's no longer profitable to continue. It takes a considerable amount of time to make these ships, especially when it's something to do with one of the new movies, all the secrecy around the movies. FFG probably has their production planned out well over a year in advance. It takes time to design the prototypes, get them approved by LFL/Disney and then get the tooling made and then wait in line to use the factory. I'd say the factory wait time is what takes the longest. Thats what alot of companies say anyhow.

Keep supporting X-Wing, don't get too whiny about not getting your favorite whatever yet. Give FFG time, movies and tv will always take priority over old and new EU. Hell if this game goes long enough, we'll end up seeing everything from Alephs to Zebras. Yes that is a lame A to Z pun lol.

The EU is dead. Disney killed it.

Disney never killed the EU. They stated they are putting it all in "non-canon" and will be grabbing what they want from it to re-write in new stuff. Just look at Thrawn. He's been included into Rebels and made canon. Will they eventually remake the Thrawn Trilogy? Maybe, but it will surely be a re-write and not exact. I'm fine with that.

Whether or not you personally like the new material, do you honestly expect FFG to NOT make ships that appear on screen and are recognizable to current Star Wars fans, regardless of age?

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

and yet...we all recognized it

weird how that works, eh?

I've seen the movie several times and I don't recognize it. Which scene is it in? I'll have to look for it in particular next time.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSjkUzlHxK4

Seriously guys. This scene is so great.

I would love to know how many unreleased prototypes FFG has in R&D.. I bey they have at least a couple of dozen prototypes and rulesets sat there in development, waiting for the Mouse to give them the thumbs up...

I would love to know how many unreleased prototypes FFG has in R&D.. I bey they have at least a couple of dozen prototypes and rulesets sat there in development, waiting for the Mouse to give them the thumbs up...

I would be surprised if Disney need to sign off every release. FFG have a license to produce SW products and as long as they do not violate the fluff, I think they are allowed to go an maximise the profits from the license however they see fit.

I seriously doubt Disney are going to be bothered by approving or rejecting individual ship designs on the basis that they are "Legends" rather than "NewSW". Why would they? Disney are a studio and are out to make films (and associated tie-ins). I am sure they would be the first to insist that they are not a wargames miniatures company and would rather leave release decisions to someone who understands the needs and wants of that market (i.e. FFG).

I doubt the release slate owes anything to Disney stipulations. More likely FFG are making calculated guesses on what they think will sell well. It's not in their interest to produce unpopular ships that don't sell (not that I am saying further EU ships would fall into that category). But the Ghost seems to have sold well and been very popular (it probably helps that it came with good rules and cards) so you cannot blame them for looking at more Rebels stuff for future releases. I think FFG are just making what they think will sell and look cool.

Remember that Lucas Arts is still it's own company under Disney. It's a lot of the same people as before.

Lucas Arts had to approve the Imperial Raider before FFG could release it. That's why it was delayed.

There's a reason why every FFG announcement cones with a "pending approval from licensor" notice.

I would love to know how many unreleased prototypes FFG has in R&D.. I bey they have at least a couple of dozen prototypes and rulesets sat there in development, waiting for the Mouse to give them the thumbs up...

I would be surprised if Disney need to sign off every release. FFG have a license to produce SW products and as long as they do not violate the fluff, I think they are allowed to go an maximise the profits from the license however they see fit.

I seriously doubt Disney are going to be bothered by approving or rejecting individual ship designs on the basis that they are "Legends" rather than "NewSW". Why would they? Disney are a studio and are out to make films (and associated tie-ins). I am sure they would be the first to insist that they are not a wargames miniatures company and would rather leave release decisions to someone who understands the needs and wants of that market (i.e. FFG).

I doubt the release slate owes anything to Disney stipulations. More likely FFG are making calculated guesses on what they think will sell well. It's not in their interest to produce unpopular ships that don't sell (not that I am saying further EU ships would fall into that category). But the Ghost seems to have sold well and been very popular (it probably helps that it came with good rules and cards) so you cannot blame them for looking at more Rebels stuff for future releases. I think FFG are just making what they think will sell and look cool.

I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Disney and LucasArts are way more involved than might appear on the surface. they have over-arching sales and marketing strategies and having all vendors aligned with what is on their schedule is pretty much a given. I'm not saying they are necessarily micromanaging, but I can absolutely see them wanting "a Rebels and TFA focus, except by exception" approach.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SSjkUzlHxK4

Seriously guys. This scene is so great.

Huh. I'm not sure I would classify a ship in such a short clip, which is only pictured from one angle (which doesn't really even show any of its unique features very well), which shares every shot it's in with main actors who draw the focus away from it (not to mention all the action-y stuff happening around) as being "iconic" or even "recognizable".

That's not saying I think it's a bad idea to include it, but I just find the "because it's in the new movie, fans will immediately recognize it!" argument to be a bit lacking.

Whether or not you personally like the new material, do you honestly expect FFG to NOT make ships that appear on screen and are recognizable to current Star Wars fans, regardless of age?

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

and yet...we all recognized it

weird how that works, eh?

We did?

I just read the description.

Are you sure you didn't just see the logo, read the description that went with it and said "Oh, yeah, that thing"?

Because I'm positive that was the reaction of the majority of people, lol.

I'd like to get a head count on the liars people who had immediate, unassisted visual recall on that ship.

Whether or not you personally like the new material, do you honestly expect FFG to NOT make ships that appear on screen and are recognizable to current Star Wars fans, regardless of age?

Do you genuinely think the Quadjumper is recognizable? That if you showed a Star Wars fan just the model he'll immediately be able to say 'this is a Quadjumper'? The ship appears on screen for the grand total of about 4 seconds, and never up close.

and yet...we all recognized it

weird how that works, eh?

We did?

I just read the description.

Are you sure you didn't just see the logo, read the description that went with it and said "Oh, yeah, that thing"?

Because I'm positive that was the reaction of the majority of people, lol.

I'd like to get a head count on the liars people who had immediate, unassisted visual recall on that ship.

Honest to God, I feel like people are trying to push so hard on the idea that this is unrecognizable that they're about to go through the wall.

I absolutely recognized this without ANY hesitation - a whole lot quicker than I recognized 80% of the crap from the EU like the K-Wing - no matter what you might say. I watched the TFA trailer probably 1063 times with my daughter and the quadjumper is blown up in the trailer. Sure, you don't see the model but having seen that explosion over and over, seeing the ship that was blown up to create that absolutely stuck with me - particularly as it evoked a "oh THAT ship versus the falcon?" moment.

After the movie was released and I had watched it a bunch, not only could I have drawn you a picture of it from memory, but it was also in one of the many Star Wars books I bought, so it's as real and familiar to me as ANY ship in the cross-sections books. Which, by the way, hardly include ANY of the crap left over in the EU to say nothing of E-Wings, K-Wings, TIE Punishers, et al.

Which is really the crux of all this. This whole argument is so inconsistent. EU ships - which is HARDLY a marker for Star Wars fandom, by the way - aren't very recognizable to most but so many want to keep mining their imaginations and yet you believe that Star Wars fans wouldn't actually recognize a ship that was in the most recent movie? As others have said, you could apply this logic to an A-wing or Interceptor, given the amount of screentime they enjoyed.

the delight of a forum is the exchange of ideas, but you calling people liars because they don't agree with you on what they can and can't remember is pretty silly.

EU is far from its end, but it is at the back of the line. They will actively publish ships that support the IP as it grows over anything EU. However the IP may well tap the EU when convenient. No reason not to bring in elements that are already designed and you already own.