Have we seen the end of EU ships in X-wing?

By Sabre 7, in X-Wing

The QuadHumper has more than 2-3 sec of screen time in Ep 7. It's also a random ship you can fly in Disney Infinity 3.0 :P

About as recognizable as a lot of the remaining EU ships.

Name me an EU ship not in the game.

I guarantee you I won't recognise it.

Ah, yes, the sky is falling. There are no EU ships in this wave thusly there will never be any EU ships ever again.

Maybe you should go back and read the OP before you dub me chicken little. I gave several reasons for my theory, not just a lack of EU ships in Wave 10. I have expanded on these arguments below.

1. Out of the last three waves, 9 out of the last 11 ships have been TFA or Rebels. The only two that weren't (G1a and Jumpmaster) where part of an effort started in wave 6 to get all of the bounty hunters shown in The Empire Strikes Back onto the table. We now have ships for all of the original bounty hunters.

2. Two of the three ships from Wave 10 (specifically the quad jumper and Sabine's tie) have little to no reference material for the designers to go off of; they seem to have beat out other contenders for inclusion in X-wing solely on the merit of having seen screen time (no matter how limited).

3. A fair argument could be made that points 1 and 2 can be attributed to FFG exhausting the pool of viable EU ships. I believe the Wave V Armada release disproves this argument, as they clearly had a wide list of capital ships from which to draw, but chose ships from Rebels.

I am by no means opining for a plummeting troposphere, but am merely interested to hear other people's take on whether we will see further EU ships.

Ah, yes, the sky is falling. There are no EU ships in this wave thusly there will never be any EU ships ever again.

Maybe you should go back and read the OP before you dub me chicken little. I gave several reasons for my theory, not just a lack of EU ships in Wave 10. I have expanded on these arguments below.

1. Out of the last three waves, 9 out of the last 11 ships have been TFA or Rebels. The only two that weren't (G1a and Jumpmaster) where part of an effort started in wave 6 to get all of the bounty hunters shown in The Empire Strikes Back onto the table. We now have ships for all of the original bounty hunters.

2. Two of the three ships from Wave 10 (specifically the quad jumper and Sabine's tie) have little to no reference material for the designers to go off of; they seem to have beat out other contenders for inclusion in X-wing solely on the merit of having seen screen time (no matter how limited).

3. A fair argument could be made that points 1 and 2 can be attributed to FFG exhausting the pool of viable EU ships. I believe the Wave V Armada release disproves this argument, as they clearly had a wide list of capital ships from which to draw, but chose ships from Rebels.

I am by no means opining for a plummeting troposphere, but am merely interested to hear other people's take on whether we will see further EU ships.

I don't think you're going to see EU ships just to throw them in any more the way the bounty hunters got featured. If they can, they will choose ships that are more recognizable from modern SW media rather than the EU. This is why I don't think you're going to see the Assault Gunboat/Tie Avenger in the near future because they don't really fill anything in that the game needs. I think this is the reason the Havoc was not chosen as well- scum didn't need another ship of that type.

There's going to be plenty more waves and there will probably be EU ships in some of them as the media isn't going to be able to fuel literally everything, but I don't think FFG is going to choose EU ships preferentially to anything else for the near future.

I imagine if they continue to release things for another two years you might finally see the assault gunboat as they trawl for material.

They still have a ton of canon ships they could use in the game. I'd take those over non-canon and increasingly obscure old EU ships.

and, at the same time, it really doesn't mean jack where the ship came from

I thought we hit EU bottom of the barrel with the K-wing, but FFG turned it into one of the most hilariously awesome and absolutely gorgeous ships in the game

and now here we are with the quad, a repulsive little vessel that's so ugly it's round right back around to being adorable, which is piloted by a blob with the single greatest pilot ability ever conceived

at this point, I'm convinced you could hand FFG a brick and they'd turn it into a beautiful model with engaging gameplay elements

I honestly wouldn't know a old EU ship if you handed me a painted model and data card. So I can't say I've a dog in this fight at all.

I grew up on the OT and as far as I'm concerned those are the only true "Star Wars" ships. Everything else is from the X-Wing Game. So I don't care where they come from. If they look cool and Star Warsy (fit the OT aesthetic) I'm good. So if the stuff from the EU is more like the OT ships I'll be sad if they don't use them. Because the stuff from Rebels....

But the TIE Avenger is in wave 10. I don't know what you're talking about OP.

It's simply inconceivable that the Assault Gunboat wouldn't also be released.

Ah, yes, the sky is falling. There are no EU ships in this wave thusly there will never be any EU ships ever again.

Maybe you should go back and read the OP before you dub me chicken little. I gave several reasons for my theory, not just a lack of EU ships in Wave 10. I have expanded on these arguments below.

1. Out of the last three waves, 9 out of the last 11 ships have been TFA or Rebels. The only two that weren't (G1a and Jumpmaster) where part of an effort started in wave 6 to get all of the bounty hunters shown in The Empire Strikes Back onto the table. We now have ships for all of the original bounty hunters.

2. Two of the three ships from Wave 10 (specifically the quad jumper and Sabine's tie) have little to no reference material for the designers to go off of; they seem to have beat out other contenders for inclusion in X-wing solely on the merit of having seen screen time (no matter how limited).

3. A fair argument could be made that points 1 and 2 can be attributed to FFG exhausting the pool of viable EU ships. I believe the Wave V Armada release disproves this argument, as they clearly had a wide list of capital ships from which to draw, but chose ships from Rebels.

I am by no means opining for a plummeting troposphere, but am merely interested to hear other people's take on whether we will see further EU ships.

Yes, and NO.

Look to Rebels season 3. Thrawn was drawn out of the spiraling depths of the EU due to popular demand. So yes, Thrawn is pulled out of the EU, but Thrawn is now Cannon. Anything Thrawn does in season 3 will be cannon.

Likewise, The assault gunboat could be brought back in the same fashion. (like what they did with the YT-2400.... sort of.)

Corran shows up with the new Armada squadrons and he is totally EU, so don't count them out.

With the previews of Wave 10 up, I believe that my suspicions have been confirmed true; it seems very likely that FFG is done releasing EU ships for X-wing. This is the second consecutive wave where the only new ships have been from the Rebels TV show, or the new movies. It's hard to argue against this when we now have the quad-jumper tug boat, whose single qualification for inclusion in X-wing is 2-3 seconds of screen time in TFA.

To those of you who would argue that FFG has simply run out new ships to model, take a look at the new Armada ships as well. As a (relatively) new game, Armada has probably hundreds of untapped capital ships from the EU, some of which are very iconic or extremely recognizable. Instead, they got two capital ships which aired in Rebels.

Anyone think differently? I would love to be proven wrong, as I grew up reading books from the EU and have little to no attachment to Rebels.

I agree with you they are working on movies and shows now and the old stuff will only make it in the game if it is featured in NEW Cannon. The ONLY Reason the cool ARC 170 is in the game is because it is an old retrofit ship that was the choice of a pair of Space MILFs ships in a couple of very popular novels and so forth.

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I don't think we have. It wasn't that long ago, even after the acquisitions, that one of the Devs said in an interview that they were still going to borrow from the EU.

Well, by that definition, anyone who hasn't played the old video games won't recognize the EU ships, either. And like it or not, that is a large majority of Star Wars fans...

If that's the case, why do Star Wars fans go wild whenever EU ships and characters get re-canonized? It's not like the EU is something completely obscure.

At any rate, it's a non-issue if FFG is going canon only from now on, because most if not all prominent EU ships will be back in canon eventually. A lot already are (though many of those are already in the game, like the HWK, TIE Defender, and Decimator.). Honestly I'd be very surprised if ships like the Skipray blastboat and the Action VI transport restored to canon, especially with Zahn getting to write a canon novel.

(Actually, the Action VI is already at least semi-canon, since an Action-series bulk transport had a background appearance during Attack of the Clones.)

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My own, personal purchases:

Wave 6: 3 x Mist Wanted, 2 x StarViper, 2 x IG200, 2 x Scyk.
Wave 7: 5 x Kihraxz, 1 x Hound's Tooth, 1 x K-Wing
Wave 8: 2 x Jumpnaster 5000, 2 x Mist Hunter, 1 x T-70 X-Wing
Wave 9 (planned): 1 x ARC-170
Wave 10 (planned): -

Also in that time there's been two Imperial Assault Carriers and an Imperial Veterans set picked up.

That's a lot of money spent on X-Wing in the last 18 months, but in rapidly diminishing amounts. The trend in my purchases at least is pretty clear.

Now, maybe FFG have moved away from producing the kind of Star Wars ships that I'm interested in (and the kind of ships that got me invested in the game in the first place), but that doesn't mean I'll stop playing. Just that I'll stop spending.

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I played the flying games. I still never knew what the other bounty hunter ships looked like...

I read the Thrawn trilogy, I had no idea what star vipers looked like, or even that there were generics outside of Xixor's.

I didn't mind. But please don't consider them recognisable to ordinary fans.

I saw the wave ten release article. I thought... "Scum get a tug! Interesting, but cool." I had no recollection of it until I read on. I din't mind.

The only thing that matters is more ships and more variety. I am happy they have included the tug!

Four seconds of screen time means the Quadjumper is literally millions of times more recognizable than the gunboat everyone is always talking about on these forums. How many people saw The Force Awakens? Now, how many people are familiar with the EU and, more specifically, the gunboat? I don't know the numbers but my vague math tells me the Quadjumper is an infinitely more marketable product. Something tells me FFG's marketing analysts told them the same thing. Personally, I'd rather have a ton of EU ships before anything in waves 9 & 10 but I understand marketing and why it's not happening.

This wave means nothing. for the past several waves Xwing has been catching up on Disney material, but between 1 movie a year, and both the new movie and the TV show moving into OT era, the number of new disney designs are set to drop off and be replaced with revisits of OT era craft.

The Inquisitor Tie, the Tie SF, and Upsilon Shuttle were inevitabe, but it's merely unfortunate that it took 3 waves to clear the Imperial canon backlog. Then wave 11 has the Tie Striker, leaving nothing for imperial wave 12 until Ep8 comes out, which wont be part of the main wave. They can delay matters with the Sentinal landing craft, at which point Ep8 movie gets to show off new craft, and the Han Solo movie will show off his smuggler backround. Which means any imperials it shows will be customs craft. Which, in my mind, will be the last, best chance for a Gunboat recanonization.

Have we seen the end of EU ships in X-wing?

It's certainly starting to feel that way. But I really hope that's not the case.

And if it is, than I have to turn to the Rebels writers to use more awesome EU stuff in their show.

Have we seen the end of EU ships in X-wing?

It's certainly starting to feel that way. But I really hope that's not the case.

And if it is, than I have to turn to the Rebels writers to use more awesome EU stuff in their show.

well, it's easier than designing new things for sure

Thrawn and the YT-2400 in season 3 show us that they're certainly willing to do just that

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Have we seen the end of EU ships in X-wing?

It's certainly starting to feel that way. But I really hope that's not the case.

And if it is, than I have to turn to the Rebels writers to use more awesome EU stuff in their show.

well, it's easier than designing new things for sure

Thrawn and the YT-2400 in season 3 show us that they're certainly willing to do just that

In all fairness the YT-2400 was added to A New Hope when Lucas did the Special Edition. It can be seen taking off from Mos Eiseley in the background. So the YT-2400 has been canon.

GUNBOAT for rebels!!! There's still hope.

Four seconds of screen time means the Quadjumper is literally millions of times more recognizable than the gunboat everyone is always talking about on these forums. How many people saw The Force Awakens? Now, how many people are familiar with the EU and, more specifically, the gunboat? I don't know the numbers but my vague math tells me the Quadjumper is an infinitely more marketable product. Something tells me FFG's marketing analysts told them the same thing. Personally, I'd rather have a ton of EU ships before anything in waves 9 & 10 but I understand marketing and why it's not happening.

Did you catch ET in the prequels?

No? What does that do to your argument?

Ps: ET crew pilot now

ET "phone home" crew allows you to run off the table without destroying the ship he's on

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With new ships showing up in future movies and TV, there's no reason to dip into the EU for future waves. The ARC-170, instead of a more galactic civil war ship, like the NTB-630 naval bomber, is a pretty clear indicator they'd rather go old canon than non-canon.

The Xg-1, however, could very well find itself on the shelf, since it's such a fan favorite.

Other than that, there plenty more canon ships from the comics, Clone Wars and prequels to pull from.

1) Delta-7 Aethersprite-class light intercepter starfighter

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2) N-1 Naboo Starfighter

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3. Tatooine Shuttle (Star Wars #1)

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4) Diplomat Shuttle (Princess Leia 1)

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5) Ark Angel (Darth Vader #3)

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6) Volt Cobra (Star Wars #5)

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7) Rebel Troop Transport (Shattered Empire #1)

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8) GX-1 Short Hauler

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9) Melcrawler II (Shattered Empire #3)

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10) SS-54 Assault Ship

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11) HH-87 Starhopper

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12) G9 Rigger freighter

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13) Braha'tok-class gunship (the most canon playable ship still not in X-Wing)

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My own, personal purchases:

Wave 6: 3 x Mist Wanted, 2 x StarViper, 2 x IG200, 2 x Scyk.

Wave 7: 5 x Kihraxz, 1 x Hound's Tooth, 1 x K-Wing

Wave 8: 2 x Jumpnaster 5000, 2 x Mist Hunter, 1 x T-70 X-Wing

Wave 9 (planned): 1 x ARC-170

Wave 10 (planned): -

My own purchases:

Wave 6: 4x Auto Thruster

Wave 7: -

Wave 8: Inquisitor's TIE, TIE/FO, Ghost, still one, maybe two Jumpmasters5k planned. Dengaroo looks okish and I need Manaroo for my planned scum aces lists anyway.

Wave9 (planned): 2 Arcs (Minimum), 2 Fang Fighters (Minimum), 1-2 Shadowcasters

Wave10 (planned): Two Sabin's TIE's, maybe an ugly ups.

Does not look to bad if you ask me.