I thought the "rebel" heroes were supposed to just be scum in the skirmish game? IF that's the case, the lack of rebels for skirmish in that box does suck. I just hope we get another skirmish attachment that allows for more scum in rebel lists.

I still want that scum version of Lando and Leia. Slave Leia would be cool too but certain groups might complain about it nowadays.

Yea I think its been said that they(Disney/Lucasfilm) won't be releasing any more slave Leia products because it doesn't portray what they want or something, I remember seeing something about it a number of months ago.

I sure do miss the 80s.

Me to.

Hey maybe if we start refering to her as Hutt-slayer Leia we might get a figure?

I thought the "rebel" heroes were supposed to just be scum in the skirmish game? IF that's the case, the lack of rebels for skirmish in that box does suck. I just hope we get another skirmish attachment that allows for more scum in rebel lists.

I still want that scum version of Lando and Leia. Slave Leia would be cool too but certain groups might complain about it nowadays.

Yea I think its been said that they(Disney/Lucasfilm) won't be releasing any more slave Leia products because it doesn't portray what they want or something, I remember seeing something about it a number of months ago.

I sure do miss the 80s.

Yeah buddy! I know what you're talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/bYWAHuFbLoc?start=832&end=841

Maybe both Han and Leia will show up in the next boxed expansion or the support expansion that is not directly tied to a box.

I thought the "rebel" heroes were supposed to just be scum in the skirmish game? IF that's the case, the lack of rebels for skirmish in that box does suck. I just hope we get another skirmish attachment that allows for more scum in rebel lists.

I still want that scum version of Lando and Leia. Slave Leia would be cool too but certain groups might complain about it nowadays.

Yea I think its been said that they(Disney/Lucasfilm) won't be releasing any more slave Leia products because it doesn't portray what they want or something, I remember seeing something about it a number of months ago.

I sure do miss the 80s.

Me to.

Hey maybe if we start refering to her as Hutt-slayer Leia we might get a figure?

I am sure someone, somewhere would manage to get offended by that.

I thought the "rebel" heroes were supposed to just be scum in the skirmish game? IF that's the case, the lack of rebels for skirmish in that box does suck. I just hope we get another skirmish attachment that allows for more scum in rebel lists.

I still want that scum version of Lando and Leia. Slave Leia would be cool too but certain groups might complain about it nowadays.

Yea I think its been said that they(Disney/Lucasfilm) won't be releasing any more slave Leia products because it doesn't portray what they want or something, I remember seeing something about it a number of months ago.

I sure do miss the 80s.

Me to.

Hey maybe if we start refering to her as Hutt-slayer Leia we might get a figure?

I am sure someone, somewhere would manage to get offended by that.

Someone will always get offended by something.

Still, I'd pick up a Slave Leia. We even have an example.

If you miss the 80s, they made kung fury just for you

I thought the "rebel" heroes were supposed to just be scum in the skirmish game? IF that's the case, the lack of rebels for skirmish in that box does suck. I just hope we get another skirmish attachment that allows for more scum in rebel lists.

I still want that scum version of Lando and Leia. Slave Leia would be cool too but certain groups might complain about it nowadays.

Yea I think its been said that they(Disney/Lucasfilm) won't be releasing any more slave Leia products because it doesn't portray what they want or something, I remember seeing something about it a number of months ago.

I sure do miss the 80s.

Me to.

Hey maybe if we start refering to her as Hutt-slayer Leia we might get a figure?

I am sure someone, somewhere would manage to get offended by that.

What?!?. Slaying Hutts shouldn't be glorified in the manner it already is!

Hutts are slug-people too!!!

(/jk)

Regarding 'slave' Leia, it was always implied that Jabba had forced himself onto her and that was the fury from which she strangled him with her chain.

"You will learn to appreciate me" as he licks his lips; pretty icky stuff.

Leia is the strong one, and if she was properly trained would have kicked Luke's whiney butt.

If you miss the 80s, they made kung fury just for you

And Far cry: Blood dragon!

Regarding 'slave' Leia, it was always implied that Jabba had forced himself onto her and that was the fury from which she strangled him with her chain.

"You will learn to appreciate me" as he licks his lips; pretty icky stuff.

Leia is the strong one, and if she was properly trained would have kicked Luke's whiney butt.

Which is why I liked it in the EU that Hutts were androgynous so Jabba was more like the hutt with some weird fascination with humanoid women in the same way people like art. But now that in canon they have genders it does open it up to all kinds of squick I guess.

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

And for >30 years young men were able to see Slave Leia and not chain up real women (most of them anyway). Somehow, all of a sudden, this is a problem. She's wearing more clothing than He-Man! And this from the company that brought us Desperate Housewives , which certainly did not portray women in a less than ideal way.

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

Plus, he's clearly naked!

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

Plus, he's clearly naked!

Use green stuff to give him a bikini top too?

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

Plus, he's clearly naked!

Just like chewie.

In star wars the women wear very little, the men wear even less, the Jedi wear bath robes and boba has body issues.

I don't have a problem with bikini Leia, there are far less sensible outfits in star wars. But I don't think it belongs in IA. She wears it for Han on special occasions, not when she's going to a skirmish.

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

Plus, he's clearly naked!

Just like chewie.

In star wars the women wear very little, the men wear even less, the Jedi wear bath robes and boba has body issues.

I don't have a problem with bikini Leia, there are far less sensible outfits in star wars. But I don't think it belongs in IA. She wears it for Han on special occasions, not when she's going to a skirmish.

What makes you think she and Han don't 'skirmish?'

I think the issue with 'Slave Leia' merchandise is that they *were* taking advantage of it, they were producing more merchandise of her in the outfit because they knew sex sells. Personally, I feel it's fine selling products that have her in the bikini - at the same level they sell products in the ANH costume, the Hoth outfit, Endor etc. But intentionally taking advantage of it does start to become an issue.

Having said that, it really doesn't belong in IA (Which I guess is kind of a win because they didn't force it?)

Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses

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This idea is so absurd, so boring, ... this is so Star Trek ... all Klingons are warriors, all Vulcans live by logic, all Romulans are liars, ... all these "racist" stereotypes.

Stuff like this didn't come up in the original trilogy. Hutt originally was not a race, but an honorific title for a crime Boss like Don . At first, Jabba the Hutt was a fat human crime Boss by the Name Jabba the Hutt (see the Episode 4 original footage). By the way ... what a stupid name that would be. Like Han the Human, Chewbacca the Wookie, Greedo the Rodian, Jabba the Hutt ... who's named like that?

This rubbish came up in the expanded universe, where some uncreative authors watched to much Star Trek before writing Star Wars novels. It's a pity, that George L. adopted so much of this crap for the prequels.

[/grumble]

Having said that, it really doesn't belong in IA (Which I guess is kind of a win because they didn't force it?)

[grumble]

There is so much that doesn't belong in Star Wars, e.g. Midi-chlorians. The force was a much cooler concept, when it still was a mysterious, unexplained power. Again, this is so Star Trek. Star Wars wasn't about, how Hyperspace works, how a lightsaber works or how the Force works. These were plot devices, not the plot itsself. In contrast to other science fiction, Technobabble was not the main reason for having a plot.

[/grumble]

But a strong woman , who can hold her own against a fat alien crimeboss, that has 20 times her weight and doesn't even fear a Jedi, ... I think, that such a strong woman belongs in Star Wars. To me. this scene redefined the strong heroic woman in movies ...

And for sure I would like to see her in IA.

>> Strangle: Remove one adjacent figure from Play.

Der Baer, Kirk or Picard?

I like how Carrie Fisher in a bikini is considered offensive, but Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses, is a-okay.

Plus, he's clearly naked!

Use green stuff to give him a bikini top too?

Stop that.

Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

Der Baer, Kirk or Picard?

Kirk.

To Der Baer's point. I think it violates internal consistency that Leia would have the strength to kill Jabba. Not that she wasn't a strong woman, that's not the point. I don't think any human would have had that kind of strength. It was a plot dependent moment, and the effects budge wasn't there for him to throw her across the room where she could have then grabbed a blaster. I'm not saying I hated the scene, I didn't. That doesn't mean I think there needs to be a Leia in bikini mini that has that one ability that simulates a small moment in one film.

Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

The problem is that it was a horrible method, made worse by the protagonists, if you will, being forced through a series of illogical scenarios with illogical conclusions in order to get them to meet Space Jesus. As you said, it would have been better if a Jedi could just feel the force working in them, like Vader did in Star Wars when he was chasing Luke.

Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

The deal is that if you formalize the Force to the point of it being a chemical reaction in your blood, it rips the entire spiritual framework of the movies. Every wise thing Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah ceases to be wise and becomes deliberate misdirection. The Jedi teachings become smoke and mirrors that conceal simple chemical and biological processes. The Light and Dark side cease to be about morality and choice, they become different and equally valid schools of applied science. The Force literally becomes a hokey religion of parlor tricks like Han Solo said.

Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

The deal is that if you formalize the Force to the point of it being a chemical reaction in your blood, it rips the entire spiritual framework of the movies. Every wise thing Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah ceases to be wise and becomes deliberate misdirection. The Jedi teachings become smoke and mirrors that conceal simple chemical and biological processes. The Light and Dark side cease to be about morality and choice, they become different and equally valid schools of applied science. The Force literally becomes a hokey religion of parlor tricks like Han Solo said.

I'm not sure we saw the same Episode I scene. Qui-Gon explains the force as being exactly what Yoda and Obi-Wan say... an energy field created by all living things. The midichlorians were described as the pathway through which a Jedi sensed the force, not the force itself. Those with high midchlorian counts who are focused and have the desire to listen are able to sense the force and it's "will" through the midichlorians. The midichlorians are not even said to be involved in using or manipulating the force. There is no chemical reaction described. It is still spiritual. The Jedi still needs to choose to listen to the Force, they still need to be calm and at peace, and they are still luminous beings. The only thing added is that midichlorians formalized the reason why some people are naturally force sensitive and others are not, again, a concept that was present from the very beginning. Otherwise, why did Han never get trained? Why not Chewie? It was always familial.

If you are able to dispel Hyperspace as a plot device that allows people to get from place to place (which is still an unnecessary problem unless you are concerned that your audience will actually know that traveling from one system to another should take a reaalllyyy long time), then why get hung up on a blood test that is only used to clearly show that Anakin is objectively super-special. You're less concerned with the virgin birth aspect than the blood test!

P.S. Not trying to be aggressive or antagonistic, sometimes internet comes off that way.