Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

The deal is that if you formalize the Force to the point of it being a chemical reaction in your blood, it rips the entire spiritual framework of the movies. Every wise thing Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah ceases to be wise and becomes deliberate misdirection. The Jedi teachings become smoke and mirrors that conceal simple chemical and biological processes. The Light and Dark side cease to be about morality and choice, they become different and equally valid schools of applied science. The Force literally becomes a hokey religion of parlor tricks like Han Solo said.

I'll bet there's some interesting connections to the changing perspectives on science and religion that were occurring in the late 20th century. I'm sure there's a philosophy paper on that somewhere

Der Baer, Kirk or Picard?

Kirk.

To Der Baer's point. I think it violates internal consistency that Leia would have the strength to kill Jabba. Not that she wasn't a strong woman, that's not the point. I don't think any human would have had that kind of strength. It was a plot dependent moment, and the effects budge wasn't there for him to throw her across the room where she could have then grabbed a blaster. I'm not saying I hated the scene, I didn't. That doesn't mean I think there needs to be a Leia in bikini mini that has that one ability that simulates a small moment in one film.

If you read the book, you'll see that she used the force.

Everyone hates on midichlorians. I don't understand what the big deal is. We knew people were force-sensitive or not, and we knew it was hereditary. So he threw in a concept about what it is that allows SOME people to feel the force and others not. "Testing positive for Jedi"? That concept was around from Ep IV on, it just wasn't formalized as a blood screening test. The Jedi still didn't rely on the test to look at aptitude, and there is no evidence that they tested every baby to find force-sensitives. They sense a child is strong in the force, they may or may not do the test. It was a plot point to demonstrate Anakin's potential to be the most powerful Jedi ever. That is all.

(My only problem with the concept is that midichlorians, as described, sound like they are based on mitochondria... which are passed through maternal lines rather than paternal lines. So Padme was really the force-sensitive one... only not... Don't do science-ish stuff if you are gonna mess it up.)

The deal is that if you formalize the Force to the point of it being a chemical reaction in your blood, it rips the entire spiritual framework of the movies. Every wise thing Yoda tells Luke on Dagobah ceases to be wise and becomes deliberate misdirection. The Jedi teachings become smoke and mirrors that conceal simple chemical and biological processes. The Light and Dark side cease to be about morality and choice, they become different and equally valid schools of applied science. The Force literally becomes a hokey religion of parlor tricks like Han Solo said.

I'm not sure we saw the same Episode I scene. Qui-Gon explains the force as being exactly what Yoda and Obi-Wan say... an energy field created by all living things. The midichlorians were described as the pathway through which a Jedi sensed the force, not the force itself. Those with high midchlorian counts who are focused and have the desire to listen are able to sense the force and it's "will" through the midichlorians. The midichlorians are not even said to be involved in using or manipulating the force. There is no chemical reaction described. It is still spiritual. The Jedi still needs to choose to listen to the Force, they still need to be calm and at peace, and they are still luminous beings. The only thing added is that midichlorians formalized the reason why some people are naturally force sensitive and others are not, again, a concept that was present from the very beginning. Otherwise, why did Han never get trained? Why not Chewie? It was always familial.

If you are able to dispel Hyperspace as a plot device that allows people to get from place to place (which is still an unnecessary problem unless you are concerned that your audience will actually know that traveling from one system to another should take a reaalllyyy long time), then why get hung up on a blood test that is only used to clearly show that Anakin is objectively super-special. You're less concerned with the virgin birth aspect than the blood test!

P.S. Not trying to be aggressive or antagonistic, sometimes internet comes off that way.

The entire Empire could've been prevented if they just gave Palpatine a blood test.

The entire Empire could've been prevented if they just gave Palpatine a blood test.

That's funny. At the same time you've highlighted another one of those horrible plot contrivances in the prequels. That this super powered force user could operate in plain sight of the Jedi, and the best explanation GL could come up with was that the dark side had clouded their vision.

The entire Empire could've been prevented if they just gave Palpatine a blood test.

That's funny. At the same time you've highlighted another one of those horrible plot contrivances in the prequels. That this super powered force user could operate in plain sight of the Jedi, and the best explanation GL could come up with was that the dark side had clouded their vision.

I don't know, it kind of made sense to me. The dark side is based on deception, and there was SOOOO much of the dark side surrounding him that they could not discern the focus of it. They do say, "the dark side surrounds the chancellor". They knew he was involved, but simply could not pin him down as the Master - due to his own ability to divert and deceive.

To me it spoke more to HIS power, rather than the Jedi's lack of power.

Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses

Stuff like this didn't come up in the original trilogy. Hutt originally was not a race, but an honorific title for a crime Boss like Don . At first, Jabba the Hutt was a fat human crime Boss by the Name Jabba the Hutt (see the Episode 4 original footage). By the way ... what a stupid name that would be. Like Han the Human, Chewbacca the Wookie, Greedo the Rodian, Jabba the Hutt ... who's named like that?

To be fair, the original way makes just as much sense.

"Mister Jabba the Hutt, my name is Boba Fett the Bounty Hunter, could I present you with Han the Smuggler, frozen in carbonite by Lando the Gambler? Afterwards, we can watch Oola the Dancer... dancing, I guess."

Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses

Stuff like this didn't come up in the original trilogy. Hutt originally was not a race, but an honorific title for a crime Boss like Don . At first, Jabba the Hutt was a fat human crime Boss by the Name Jabba the Hutt (see the Episode 4 original footage). By the way ... what a stupid name that would be. Like Han the Human, Chewbacca the Wookie, Greedo the Rodian, Jabba the Hutt ... who's named like that?

To be fair, the original way makes just as much sense.

"Mister Jabba the Hutt, my name is Boba Fett the Bounty Hunter, could I present you with Han the Smuggler, frozen in carbonite by Lando the Gambler? Afterwards, we can watch Oola the Dancer... dancing, I guess."

Afterward, you can watch Oola the dying too.

Afterward, you can watch Oola the dying too.

Muh feels were hurt when Aayla died.

You're less concerned with the virgin birth aspect than the blood test!

The virgin birth was the worst part of that movie.

It made no sense to me until the scene where Palpatine mentioned that a Sith Lord had created life using the force.... it sort of made sense that Palpatine created Anakin and left him to grow up a slave on a desert planet thinking that such a harsh childhood would drive him to the dark side.

You're less concerned with the virgin birth aspect than the blood test!

The virgin birth was the worst part of that movie.

It made no sense to me until the scene where Palpatine mentioned that a Sith Lord had created life using the force.... it sort of made sense that Palpatine created Anakin and left him to grow up a slave on a desert planet thinking that such a harsh childhood would drive him to the dark side.

I expect Rey to have been made by the Force as well. I could be wrong, but that is my expectation.

Also posted in another thread, but here's the best representation I've seen of its actual size:

Helps to see it in someone's hand, and it makes me want it all the more!

This is some real rancor discussion over here

Also posted in another thread, but here's the best representation I've seen of its actual size:

Helps to see it in someone's hand, and it makes me want it all the more!

The Mandalorian wins, even if we don't know her skirmish stats yet. She's so gonna shiv that rancor till he falls.

Also posted in another thread, but here's the best representation I've seen of its actual size:

Helps to see it in someone's hand, and it makes me want it all the more!

The Mandalorian wins, even if we don't know her skirmish stats yet. She's so gonna shiv that rancor till he falls.

It'd be awesome if there was a campaign mission where your heroes get thrown in the Rancor pit and they all get eaten and that's just the end of the campaign. You gave it an epic go but he was just too much for your team

It'd be awesome if there was a campaign mission where your heroes get thrown in the Rancor pit and they all get eaten and that's just the end of the campaign. You gave it an epic go but he was just too much for your team

And then FF forgets it's massive and it can't leave the tile it starts on and you just stand on the next tile and shoot it.

It'd be awesome if there was a campaign mission where your heroes get thrown in the Rancor pit and they all get eaten and that's just the end of the campaign. You gave it an epic go but he was just too much for your team

And then FF forgets it's massive and it can't leave the tile it starts on and you just stand on the next tile and shoot it.

You assume there's a way out if the Rancor pit! Silly prisoners! The Rancor will devour you before you can destroy the door!

I like Patrick Stewart.

Jabba the Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Boss stereotype, that spawned the idea of an entire civilization of nothing but Fat Obnoxious Italian Mob Bosses

Stuff like this didn't come up in the original trilogy. Hutt originally was not a race, but an honorific title for a crime Boss like Don . At first, Jabba the Hutt was a fat human crime Boss by the Name Jabba the Hutt (see the Episode 4 original footage). By the way ... what a stupid name that would be. Like Han the Human, Chewbacca the Wookie, Greedo the Rodian, Jabba the Hutt ... who's named like that?

To be fair, the original way makes just as much sense.

"Mister Jabba the Hutt, my name is Boba Fett the Bounty Hunter, could I present you with Han the Smuggler, frozen in carbonite by Lando the Gambler? Afterwards, we can watch Oola the Dancer... dancing, I guess."

I think you're comparing apples and oranges here. If "the Hutt" is a title or the rank of a crime boss, you should rather compare it to "Don" Corleone, "Sir" Alec Guiness or "General" Sorin.

RANCOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Today I (finally) picked up Jabba's realm, and that means:

I GOT MAH RANCOR!!!

Ahem... That is all.

I love the Rancor model, what's more his stats and abilities seem good but he barely ever survives past round 2. God forbid he ever comes up against eRangers. Anyone have any Rancor lists they had success with?

I love the Rancor model, what's more his stats and abilities seem good but he barely ever survives past round 2. God forbid he ever comes up against eRangers. Anyone have any Rancor lists they had success with?

I mean, you're gonna get that with a lot of the big guys. Just gotta try to hit hard, hit fast, and soak up that damage while your other units can be relatively safe from attacks.