Can an all out attack be made with lightning attack or two weapon wielder (Melee) or is all out attack only allow for one attack? I know the errata clarifies that swift/lightning attack and two-weapon wielder can be used together but what about Furious Assault? Could someone give up their dodge and parry to make an off-hand attack, reactionary attack and three main hand attacks?
Furious Assault, Two-Weapon, & Lightning Attack.
An All Out attack is exactly as it sounds: A haymaker, a single swing of a weapon designed to take a person out. By making this attack, you are already giving up your reaction.
The only time I've seen someone be able to attack during a reaction is my group's TechPriest, and thats cause he has a blaster mechadendrite.
And no, unless you are using guns with burst 3 minimum, or don't have the Swift/Lightning attack abilities, you CANNOT, to my knowledge, make more then one attack a turn, unless someone is breaking off from melee with you.
Two Weapon Weilding allows you to make an offhand attack at a penalty to both attacks (Negated to a -10 with Ambi, and Ballistic has an extra negation if you get Gunslinger). You STILL can't make extra attacks with out Swift/Lightning Attack.
Gonna have to refresh myself on Furious Assult though.
EDIT: Furious Assult gives you ONE extra attack if you give up your reaction, apperantly, even though a normal Full Out doesn't give you the ability to do either. I am confused personally
Kylen said:
And no, unless you are using guns with burst 3 minimum, or don't have the Swift/Lightning attack abilities, you CANNOT, to my knowledge, make more then one attack a turn, unless someone is breaking off from melee with you.
Actually as per the errata you can use the multiple attack action (as used for Swift/Lightning attack) can be used to make a single attack with each weapon being held at -20 and -40.
As for the original question, afaik, since the multiple attack action is distinct from the all out action you cannot combine the two to gain +20 on the two attacks and then use your reaction to gain another attack with Furious Assualt.
okay thank you was kind of confused our group is very big on the wording of talents and rules so somtimes is confusing since that's not always the best way to determine if things interact I was hoping there was some sort of errata or another book that might have clarified it a little more ^^. That's the conclusion we came to on it too.
Khouri said:
Kylen said:
And no, unless you are using guns with burst 3 minimum, or don't have the Swift/Lightning attack abilities, you CANNOT, to my knowledge, make more then one attack a turn, unless someone is breaking off from melee with you.
Actually as per the errata you can use the multiple attack action (as used for Swift/Lightning attack) can be used to make a single attack with each weapon being held at -20 and -40.
As for the original question, afaik, since the multiple attack action is distinct from the all out action you cannot combine the two to gain +20 on the two attacks and then use your reaction to gain another attack with Furious Assualt.
Huh. I didn't actually know you could use Swift/Lightning to make an offhand attack, even from the Errata. I just know that you can only make one off hand attack, but the max with the ability (2/3 on hand attacks)
Kylen said:
Huh. I didn't actually know you could use Swift/Lightning to make an offhand attack, even from the Errata. I just know that you can only make one off hand attack, but the max with the ability (2/3 on hand attacks)
Yeah, even with all of the discussed talents you can only attack once with your off-hand and (with lightning attack) 3 times with your on hand.
Without any talents you can use the multiple attacks action to make two attacks; one with your on hand at -20 and one with your off hand at -40. If you have swift attack you can make two attacks with one weapon at no penalty. If you so wished you could use two weapons with switft attack to get three attacks on your turn; two with your primary weapon and one with your off hand (or vice versa) but at the usual penaties of -20 and -40 respectively. Add in TWW(Melee) and the off hand penatly would drop to -20 and both would drop to -10 if you also have the ambidextrous talent.
Kylen said:
EDIT: Furious Assult gives you ONE extra attack if you give up your reaction, apperantly, even though a normal Full Out doesn't give you the ability to do either. I am confused personally
Furious Assault is basically the poor mans version of swift/lightning attack. It enables you to give up your reaction, which you already do when making an 'All-out Attack', and get another attack at +20 if you actually hit with the first one. If you miss with your 'All-out Attack', including the blow being dodged/parried, not only do you not get a second attack, but you still lose your reaction.
To answer the original question, Furious Assault is another type of Full Attack Action than Swift/Lightning Attacks. While you can wield 2 weapons with 2 Weapon Wielder and gain the benefits of Swift/lightning Attacks talents, you can't also add in Furious Assault since it is a talent specifically designed to be used with the All-Out Attack option, which is one wild swing, not several.
IIRC All-Out Attack does not cause you to "give-up" your reaction, it simply prevents you from using a reaction to dodge or parry.
Thus you cannot use the 'extra reaction" from Step-Aside or Wall of Steel, but can still use your normal reaction for Balistic Mech, Logis Implants, or Furious Assault.