General Weiss's any attack dice ability and focus

By ParaGoomba Slayer, in Imperial Assault Rules Questions

Since I cannot roll more than two of the same color, does this prevent me from choosing double green when I'm focused?

Nope. There's a good reason why, but the answer is nope. Focus acts outside of your deployment card's restrictions.

Edited by Boba Rick

The focus die isn't chosen by General Weiss, it does not count towards the Epic Arsenal limit.

Edit: Hmm, by RAW it might be correct that you can't roll three green when focused. So, if you choose 2 green while focused, you only roll the 2 green while having 3 in the attack pool.

Edited by a1bert

Checked the wording... I may have to change my opinion.

Wording? Of his card? I would say the focus doesn't affect it, otherwise what about those green green guns in the item deck, can't you roll your focus with them? If you can, then it would silly to eliminate it from Weiss.

That said, I don't see much point to rolling 3 greens, if he was focused, I'd rather roll a couple reds for damage, blue for range, or yellow to trigger that blast or pierce...

Epic Arsenal says "Your attack pool consists of any combination of 3 attack dice. You may not roll more than 2 dice of a single color". It refers to rolling, not selecting. The whole attack pool is rolled at once, and focused being a mission/core rule adds one green die to the attack dice pool first, before you choose the dice with Epic Arsenal (imperial ability).



Wording? Of his card? I would say the focus doesn't affect it, otherwise what about those green green guns in the item deck, can't you roll your focus with them? If you can, then it would silly to eliminate it from Weiss.

There is no component limitation, so you can roll 3 green when focused and attacking with a green-green-dice weapon.

That is not the same thing as the explicit limitation to maximum of 2 dice of a single color for Epic Arsenal. You get to choose your dice, but with a drawback.

Edited by a1bert

While we're at it, if Sorin uses Single Purpose in order to trigger his special action twice, can he order the same thing to attack twice?

Epic Arsenal says "Your attack pool consists of any combination of 3 attack dice. You may not roll more than 2 dice of a single color". It refers to rolling, not selecting. The whole attack pool is rolled at once, and focused being a mission/core rule adds one green die to the attack pool first, before you choose the dice with Epic Arsenal (imperial ability).

Wording? Of his card? I would say the focus doesn't affect it, otherwise what about those green green guns in the item deck, can't you roll your focus with them? If you can, then it would silly to eliminate it from Weiss.

There is no component limitation, so you can roll 3 green when focused and attacking with a green-green-dice weapon.

That is not the same thing as the explicit limitation to maximum of 2 dice of a single color for Epic Arsenal. You get to choose your dice, but with a drawback.

Hmm, but if we're going to say that the Focus die counts as part of the attack pool for the purposes of Epic Arsenal, then being Focus'd would not add a die. Because "Your attack pool consists of any combination of 3 attack dice."

Seems rather clear to me that Focus has to be indypendant (heh) of the dice pool choice, or else Weiss would be the only figure in the game that cannot benefit from the condition.

Hmm, but if we're going to say that the Focus die counts as part of the attack pool for the purposes of Epic Arsenal, then being Focus'd would not add a die. Because "Your attack pool consists of any combination of 3 attack dice."

Yes, that's a second way to look at it. There is a contradiction in the wording. Being from the core, that is not unusual. Wordings have gotten better.

You can't roll 3 green dice when attacking with Weiss.

And yes, Sorin can tell the same troops to attack again. It is not that troops activation and thus they are not limited to the one action to attack during their activation.

Weiss: your attack pool is 3 dice, can't be more than 2 of a color

focus: adds a green dice to your pool

you toss 4 dice, can't be more than 2 of a color. Not that hard.

Guess you'll just have to add a red die instead of a third green die if Weiss is focused.

Poor Weiss. ;)

The question is: "What's the Timing?".

Could it be: "Choose dice, then add focus." ?

If you take "You may not roll more than 2 dice of a single color" literally, the order of selecting dice and adding focus does not matter. If you choose two green and add a green from focus, you still can only roll 2 of those green.

O.K.

While we're at it, if Sorin uses Single Purpose in order to trigger his special action twice, can he order the same thing to attack twice?

Yes, it can. Two extra attacks from the same figure in one turn. Same with Kayn Somos and Leia.

Leia's Battleship Leadership lets herself perform an attack, so she can only perform it once per activation even if she played Single Purpose.

Firing Squad, Bombardment and Executive Order do not allow the activating figure to perform an attack, so they can be performed twice with Single Purpose.

Edited by a1bert

Could Leia use Battlefield Leadership (attack + ally attack), then Single Purpose, and not perform the attack but grant an attack to an ally?

No.

No.

Because the attack part of her special action isn't optional, correct?

Yes. "perform an attack" is not optional. The only way to skip the attack would be if she has no legal target. Then she could use Battlefield Leadership twice with Single Purpose.

Edit: See below for the usefulness and absurdity of this case.

Edited by a1bert

That figure may perform an attack with the same target .

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks that taking the RAW literally is absurd in this case...

I will remind everyone once again that by RAW rebel allies in the campaign can only attack once per turn as opposed to the one attack action of everything else.

I've queried FFG. Hopefully that will see this settled promptly.

Surely I can't be the only one who thinks that taking the RAW literally is absurd in this case...

That's why I qualified what I said with "If you take it literally"...

But I also don't see any issue in restricting the dice you actually roll to maximum of 2 of each color, because you can always choose just 1 green die into your attack pool if you're focused.

But I also don't see any issue in restricting the dice you actually roll to maximum of 2 of each color, because you can always choose just 1 green die into your attack pool if you're focused.

Well I might want to roll GGGR with focus (or RRR with explosive munitions for another example).