Some co-effected question

By edcy, in Descent: Journeys in the Dark

1.Can Overlord use this combo to keep a monster on the map like a hunting and powerful ghost that can move 5 space + 1 move and 3 attacks(lol) ?

Raise Again > Blood Rage > Raise Again > Blood Rage ...

(Use some ability can pick these two cards)

2.Will Lifeline prohibit to knight's skill "Stalwart" or One Fist Feat(new version)?

3.If One Fist(knight) was defeated during overlord's tunr, Can he use Stalwart firstly to move and then use his feat?

4.Can Knight use "Advance" during "Stalwart" ?

Edited by edcy

1) You cannot play Blood Rage twice on the same monster during the same end of turn (as that is using two OL cards with the same name for the same triggering condition). Although, the combo could work over multiple rounds.

2) Yes. Lifeline would keep him from being defeated, since it triggers when a hero "would be" defeated. Thus, those abilities never trigger.

3) No. Those two abilities do not combine. Stalwart will KO the knight, the feat cannot be used.

4) Yes. Advance triggers when a monster is defeated, while Stalwart defeats the knight after the attack resolves. The monster being defeated precedes the resolution of the attack.

thx !

If during One Fist feat , can I use "advance" ?

It seemt to be triggered. and if this advance attack defeats a enemy , it would be counted to add bonus attack from feat ?

Edited by edcy

I think Advance could probably trigger, but Advance is not an attack granted by the feat, so it wouldn't grant an additional attack. One Fist's feat is pretty clear- attack and repeat as long as you kill your target... but then you are KO.

Edit: this may have been answered already. I need to check older topics.

EDIT AGAIN: Thank you, Atom4geVampire!

Edited by Zaltyre

can The Grasping Grave(From Merick plot deck) and Life Stone activate at the same time ?

What will the result be ?

Edited by edcy

can The Grasping Grave(From Merick plot deck) and Life Stone activate at the same time ?

What will the result be ?

Would you kindly direct me to more information about the Life Stone? It's not an item I'm familiar with- is it quest specific?

P.S. If you're referring to "The Living Heart", I think the answer would be "yes, but you can only affect the revival of one of the heroes, not all of them."

Edited by Zaltyre

Oh , sorry , Living Heart is correct . I am busy on something all day , Thanks for your information !

and the effected hero by The Grasping Grave will use 1 to replace 3 red dice?

Another question , if a monster moves into a space adjacent 2 trap tokens , will it suffer 1 or 2 dmg ?

Edited by edcy

Oh , sorry , Living Heart is correct . I am busy on something all day , Thanks for your information !

and the effected hero by The Grasping Grave will use 1 to replace 3 red dice?

Another question , if a monster moves into a space adjacent 2 trap tokens , will it suffer 1 or 2 dmg ?

Let's say there were 3 heroes who were going to be picked up by "The Living Heart". The overlord may exhaust "The Grasping Grave" in response to 1 of those heroes being revived. That hero (only that hero) will roll 1 red dice. The other heroes will roll 3.

The monster would suffer 1 damage for each token, all tokens would be discarded. (linked an older BGG thread where charmy and I explained in a bit more detail).

Wouldn't one hero roll 2 dice instead of 1?

2 (default) + 1 (living heart: adds one to default) - 1 (Grasping Grave: substracts one from default) = 2

Wouldn't one hero roll 2 dice instead of 1?

2 (default) + 1 (living heart: adds one to default) - 1 (Grasping Grave: substracts one from default) = 2

I don't think so. Neither card has wording to suggest that there is addition or subtraction involved. One says "roll 3", the other says "roll 1". Not "roll an additional" vs. "roll 1 fewer". That is, The Grasping Grave triggers off of the action of the Living Heart and simply replaces the "revive pool" with 1 red die.

In my opinion, this is different than a case where the interacting abilities talk about adding or subtracting things from the normal (for example, the interaction of Befuddle with the Prophet's Sage's Tome. In the case of those two, the +1 shield and -1 shield do in fact cancel out.

Edited by Zaltyre

Well, if that is the case, can Grasping Grave even trigger? Since hero is rolling 3 dice, but the text on the Grasping Grave card speaks of 'instead of 2' so, technically, that condition isn't met..

Edited by Atom4geVampire

Well, if that is the case, can Grasping Grave even trigger? Since hero is rolling 3 dice, but the text on the Grasping Grave card speaks of 'instead of 2' so, technically, that condition isn't met..

We are now squarely in the realm of my opinion, but I would say "yes, it can trigger." The "instead of 2" is there to clarify that the 1 die that is rolled replaces what the hero would normally roll, and is not somehow additional or related to a different effect. If it just said, "Exhaust this card when a hero performs a stand-up action or is revived by another hero. That hero rolls 1 red power die" you might be left wondering if there was missing text. (He rolls 1 and suffers the wound after standing up? He rolls an extra 1 to recover more - why would the OL ever do that?) "instead of 2" makes it abundantly clear that what's being done is the number of red dice is being altered to be only 1. That is, I think the card could more accurately say, "Exhaust this card when a hero performs a stand-up action or is revived by another hero. That hero rolls 1 red power die instead of the dice he would otherwise roll when performing this action," but what is on the card says it well briefly.

Edited by Zaltyre

The "instead of 2" to me just further indicates that other effects can apply.

If it said "Exhaust this card when a hero performs a stand-up action or is revived by another hero. That hero rolls only 1 red power die (to recover)." then I'd agree.

In my opinion Living Heart makes it 2 + 1, Grasping Grave makes it 1 + 1.

By the way, I think you bring up valid points that show it could also work the other way, I just see no reason why it couldn't also be interpreted this way. That, and a bit of discussion keeps you on your toes as go-to-guy for rules stuff :D

Edited by Atom4geVampire

The "instead of 2" to me just further indicates that other effects can apply.

If it said "Exhaust this card when a hero performs a stand-up action or is revived by another hero. That hero rolls only 1 red power die (to recover)." then I'd agree.

In my opinion Living Heart makes it 2 + 1, Grasping Grave makes it 1 + 1.

By the way, I think you bring up valid points that show it could also work the other way, I just see no reason why it couldn't also be interpreted this way. That, and a bit of discussion keeps you on your toes as go-to-guy for rules stuff :D

Oh, absolutely. If people always took my opinions as correct I'd be a bit worried. And as stated, I have no rules response or FAQ judgment to base my interpretation on as opposed to yours. All I'm using is the difference in the way this card is worded to abilities that explicitly add or subtract a dice in a pool (or add or subtract results).

Is this worth submitting to FFG?

Is this worth submitting to FFG?

Can't hurt. I know how it would be played at our table, if edcy is happy with either answer that may work as well, so I don't know if it's necessary .