We all know it to be true: The StarViper has never really been a top choice for Scum lists due to its high cost and not-green-enough dial. Occasionally Xizor is used in a swarm type list, but really needs a list built around him to use his ability effectively. The generics are nowhere to be seen with their excessive cost and the ship's unique title. That has left Guri as the popular choice if you were going to fly the StarViper. But now we have the Fang Fighter that seems to come in and successfully beat out the StarViper in every category. Vipers have a shield and unique systems slot, but the Fang pilots have higher PS, a non-unique title, and are supposed to have a greener dial. The real kicker is the cost comparison. The most expensive of the Fangs come in around the low to mid-30s. A popular Fenn build that has been going around comes in at 34. Guri is 38 at least, usually, and sometimes gets up to the low 40s. The abilities are comparable but the cost and PS difference is substantial. So I'm wondering if there is anything you would take a StarViper for instead of a Fang Fighter? Are StarVipers now completely obsolete, pending a fix? Have we seen the last StarViper in a semi-serious setting? Please share your thoughts.

The next Epic ship is supposed to be for Scum and the Starviper is supposed to be in it with some fixes.(rumored)

Sensor+lone Wolf+Autothruster Guri is still substantially tougher than a Fang.

to be fair the Fang can do AT+LW but Sensor Jammer and the 25% health bonus work very well

Alternatively LW+SJ+CD+SPA for 5 greens, evade+focus+reroll+force attacker to spend focus

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I READ YOUR BOOK!

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Eh

The fangs not a dedicated jouster no matter what the article says

And the starviper isn't a dedicated arc dodgers no matter who tries to square peg ptl into the round insert of that dial

So...no they don't overlap even a little bit

Unless you're talking generics but viper generics made themselves obsolete on release

Terrific. I'm about to get killed a million miles from nowhere, with a gung ho iguana whot tells me to relax.

The next Epic ship is supposed to be for Scum and the Starviper is supposed to be in it with some fixes.(rumored)

I prefer the rumour that claims a 3-ship* Scum Aces and a no-small-included Huge Pack.

* = and since I've already started inflicting my personal opinion on you - I'd like to see a TPV scheme Scyk, a Black Sun K-fighter and a Vigo variant SV with the red BS icon (although, I've only just realised the contradiction of a high ranking Black Sun member using a red sun on their ship... but wouldn't expect 2 BS in the same pack anyway... unless it was a BS themed box, but then no TPV )

Starvipers have easy ways to be fixed. Unlike the Syck. I'm not worried yet.

However, I've not been happy with the recent design team. Their ideas don't seem to be well balanced and they're increasing within-ship synergy too much. Also too wordy.

Easiest Starviper fix atm for generics and uniques:

Advanced Shield Refit

Torpedo slot, 1 point

Starviper only

At the start of the round, you may recover 1 shield, up to your shield value.

Terrific. I'm about to get killed a million miles from nowhere, with a gung ho iguana whot tells me to relax.

What do we do now?

Terrific. I'm about to get killed a million miles from nowhere, with a gung ho iguana whot tells me to relax.

"I'll have it all figured out by the time we reach the frontier."

(wooo wooo wooo wooo wooo)

"What's that?"

"The frontier."

Eh

The fangs not a dedicated jouster no matter what the article says

And the starviper isn't a dedicated arc dodgers no matter who tries to square peg ptl into the round insert of that dial

So...no they don't overlap even a little bit

Unless you're talking generics but viper generics made themselves obsolete on release

You're right in that neither ship fits either category completely. But there is significant overlap in the ships, starting with stats, maneuverable dials, and actions. Even their abilities hint at similar playstyles. Guri could practically be a Fang pilot with her ability and visa versa. So I definately don't agree that there's no overlap.

"MOST WANTED II"

I would love to see the Scum Aces Expansion box be more like Most Wanted- with added cards, tokens & dials for certain existing ships (but no re-purpose stuff). It could come with 2 ship models (StarViper, Scyk) then add game gear for the Kihraxz and even a few new pilots for the Z-95 or other Scum ships. Of course there would be a bunch of awesome Illicits, Mods and Titles too.

Then Jabba's Yacht could have deployment rules for docking Z-95's, and FFG doesn't need to include any Headhunter models... 'cause everyone and their sister has half a dozen anyway.

My competitive list has Guri in it, and with the release of the new ship I intend to fly it WITH Guri. Your argument is invalid. Just because YOU can't find a use for the starviper doesn't mean others havnt either. Getting kinda tired of everyone saying it's worthless. You just don't know how to fly it

"MOST WANTED II"

Moster Wanted? Most Wanteder? More Wanted? Ultra Mega Super Wanted Turbo?

Comes with 2 Scyks and 1 Starviper, new proper titles and unique pilots for each.

Eh

The fangs not a dedicated jouster no matter what the article says

And the starviper isn't a dedicated arc dodgers no matter who tries to square peg ptl into the round insert of that dial

So...no they don't overlap even a little bit

Unless you're talking generics but viper generics made themselves obsolete on release

You're right in that neither ship fits either category completely. But there is significant overlap in the ships, starting with stats, maneuverable dials, and actions. Even their abilities hint at similar playstyles. Guri could practically be a Fang pilot with her ability and visa versa. So I definately don't agree that there's no overlap.

doesn't matter if you can see guri as a fang; she isn't

she has a completely different playstyle and operates in a completely different manner

Xizor especially has a defensive utility and a unique playstyle that the fangs cannot replicate

in turn, Xizor is not going to be farting out 5 dice at range 1 and dodging arcs as if he were soontir

Starvipers have easy ways to be fixed. Unlike the Syck. I'm not worried yet.

However, I've not been happy with the recent design team. Their ideas don't seem to be well balanced and they're increasing within-ship synergy too much. Also too wordy.

Easiest Starviper fix atm for generics and uniques:

Advanced Shield Refit

Torpedo slot, 1 point

Starviper only

At the start of the round, you may recover 1 shield, up to your shield value.

Id totally use that on guri or xizor, but doesnt help the already-way-overpriced generics

My competitive list has Guri in it, and with the release of the new ship I intend to fly it WITH Guri. Your argument is invalid. Just because YOU can't find a use for the starviper doesn't mean others havnt either. Getting kinda tired of everyone saying it's worthless. You just don't know how to fly it

This isn't that kind of situation though. I've flown Guri, she's effective and one of my favorite ships. But if another ship can do the same job better or even as good for significantly less, then the StarViper naturally takes a blow.

I wouldn't mind seeing the list you put together, because I'd like to fly Guri with at least one Fang as well.

I've been doing quite well with Guri [AT, Attanni].

33 points, amazing stats, and great action economy.

She can get up to 3 focuses (friendly Attanni, action, ability) if necessary.

Sensor+lone Wolf+Autothruster Guri is still substantially tougher than a Fang.

Yeah I've been finding this surprisingly effective given her PS of 5.

Starvipers have easy ways to be fixed. Unlike the Syck. I'm not worried yet.

However, I've not been happy with the recent design team. Their ideas don't seem to be well balanced and they're increasing within-ship synergy too much. Also too wordy.

Easiest Starviper fix atm for generics and uniques:

Advanced Shield Refit

Torpedo slot, 1 point

Starviper only

At the start of the round, you may recover 1 shield, up to your shield value.

This thread needs more death blossom.

Every thread needs more death blossom

put talonbane cobra in a starviper and starviper is fixed

put talonbane cobra in a starviper and starviper is fixed

Heh. No kidding.