I like flying Vader, but I think our current pilot card is starting to feel a bit stale in a game that has developed a lot. Two actions is great, but does not feel aggressive and Vader like enough. Also his pilot skill should be 10 and the only one to ever get that natively (Epsilon Ace being the wierd exception), he is the best pilot in the Galaxy right?

With pilots like Poe and Han getting new stats/abilities, I have hope for something different than our current very squishy Vader.

I was thinking about the pilot ability: Darth Vader does not get stressed.

You never apply a stress token to him, he is simply to cool or forsees events. You can then buy PTL for him, to make him feel like current Vader or try out other stuff. Rage for example but without the stress drawback. That would be very in character I think

Another ability could be the same as the Emperors, but only working on himself. So able to modify one green or red a turn.

I hope Rogue One brings out an opportunity for this.

Nope, the current Vader is a powerhouse no need for any fixes. The new versions of Han and Chewie reflect that they are some 30 years older. Vader in Rogue One would be about the same age as he is in A new hope, so no real difference.

How about Poe? He is showing off because his mom is comming to the game?

How about Poe? He is showing off because his mom is comming to the game?

Poe is getting rejiggered because they literally didn't know how freaking cool he was going to be in the movie until just the same time as the rest of us did, 6 months after they designed him.

I know, but getting a new Vader don't remove the old one, same as new Poe does not replace old Poe. It would just be nice with an update of Vader, personally I would like to see him become a more aggressive pilot to fly. I am not saying is current card does not work, just that another choice would be cool. Like with Han, Poe, Boba (soon Sabine I guess)

Vader had the highest PS when the game was new, but now there a more pilots with PS 9, so Vader could use some rejiggering I think !

What we need is Vader in a defender!

Maybe Poe was redone but was he really? He's got the exact same ability in the exact same ship it's just that now he gains +1 PS for +2 points. By that measure you really want to see a PS 10 Vader come in at 31 points?

Besides, who says Vader is the "best" pilot in the galaxy? IMPERIAL PROPAGANDA I say! He may be good but there are others that are just as good especially when you start looking at things in certain ways.

Having a Vader that ignores stress.... so you just want to put Tycho in a TIE Advanced unless you're talking about ignoring stress for EVERYTHING (granted Tycho comes pretty close with only one Red maneuver to worry about) which would make him cost more. If we say Vader can ignore Stress just like Tycho I don't think you'll be seeing him get any cheaper but now if you want to double up on actions you're going to be needing to spend 3 points and that valuable EPT slot for PtL and even that has some limits.

Maybe it could happen but as it stands now Vader is pretty strong in his pilot format. Maybe a different crew card but a new pilot card would be challenging unless your goal is to break things or make it unplayable.

Or Avenger. A Vader system upgrade card only, upgrading his advanced to an Avenger, adding boost to his actionbar and 1 extra red die. Points cost? No idea, It would give acces to Thrusters making him a little less squishy.

Steve O: of course his points would need to be adjusted, not trying to break anything, just wishlisting and making suggestions.

Vader in a new ship? That'd be nice. Vader with a new ability? Naw, his is solid as is.

The only way a pilot ability has been changed is if the change faction. So unless we're going alternate reality or making an Anakin card, I don't see any twicks to Vader.

Or Avenger. A Vader system upgrade card only, upgrading his advanced to an Avenger, adding boost to his actionbar and 1 extra red die. Points cost? No idea, It would give acces to Thrusters making him a little less squishy.

Now this may be something some have wanted for a long time but at what cost? The one example we have that boost Red dice so directly is unique and costs 12 points although it goes on a turreted ship. At that point you've probably pushed the Avenger past the Defender in terms of raw power as you'd be trading a Shield in for that Boost; maybe it's an even trade when it comes to upgrades but one you see the other you almost never see.

Edit: That is adding an Avenger title for the Advanced overall and NOT something specific to Vader.

Vader's perfect as is. You have to play well enough with ATC to recreate the "I have you now!" moment from the OT, but he's not the best star pilot in the galaxy just because "he knows a few maneuvers"'

you gotta earn your vader

Vader is good now... just get the ultra meta crap out of your head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCgjvI6VJeY

As Pilots go in the Rebellion Era, Vader is 2nd to pilots like Soontir Fel and Wedge.

(*Based on the EU where most of the content for this game comes from)

Sadly, due to the limits of game mechanics Wedge and Soontir, who are flying Aces, fly just the same as any other X-Wing/Interceptor Pilot.

If you want a new Vader then just hope they release an Imperial Eta-2 then, he would have the same PS and Ability but would be in a different ship.

What we need is Vader in a defender!

Good God... Vader in a Defender would be outrageous. The combinations are disgusting.

I love it.

Vader's ability is already incredibly awesome. You could even argue it's nearly the best ability in the game--only hampered by the limitations of the TIE Advanced he flies. I wouldn't want to change his ability to anything, as I can't see how it could be any better.

Vader's ability is already incredibly awesome. You could even argue it's nearly the best ability in the game--only hampered by the limitations of the TIE Advanced he flies. I wouldn't want to change his ability to anything, as I can't see how it could be any better.

It would be better if it worked with Advanced Sensors.

What we need is Vader in a defender!

Also this! And an Avenger!

Personally i wouldnt mind a pilot skill 10 Vader, But him being the best pilot in the galaxy is definitely up for debate.

Two non force sensitive pilots challenge him heavily for that title. Soontir and Wedge.

Soontir Trained Tycho, and Tycho was never able to beat him in a simulator. Tychos own words- “Fel is the best Imperial pilot alive.” – Tycho Celchu

Wedge is the second. The only Rebel fighter to survive Both Death Stars, and also the only pilot to shoot down a rogue leader when he shot down lensi.

Tycho would be an honorable mention, But he would tell you himself the three mentioned above would kick his ass. I just really Love Tycho because he is as close to you or i in a fighter that you can get. Just a normal guy that rose to the occasion every time.

Vader really only is able to compete with Wedge and Soontir as a pilot because he is force sensitive. If he wasn't, Fel and Antilles would hand him his ass on a platter.

Personally i wouldnt mind a pilot skill 10 Vader, But him being the best pilot in the galaxy is definitely up for debate.

Two non force sensitive pilots challenge him heavily for that title. Soontir and Wedge.

Soontir Trained Tycho, and Tycho was never able to beat him in a simulator. Tychos own words- “Fel is the best Imperial pilot alive.” – Tycho Celchu

Wedge is the second. The only Rebel fighter to survive Both Death Stars, and also the only pilot to shoot down a rogue leader when he shot down lensi.

Tycho would be an honorable mention, But he would tell you himself the three mentioned above would kick his ass. I just really Love Tycho because he is as close to you or i in a fighter that you can get. Just a normal guy that rose to the occasion every time.

Vader really only is able to compete with Wedge and Soontir as a pilot because he is force sensitive. If he wasn't, Fel and Antilles would hand him his ass on a platter.

Personally i wouldnt mind a pilot skill 10 Vader, But him being the best pilot in the galaxy is definitely up for debate.

Two non force sensitive pilots challenge him heavily for that title. Soontir and Wedge.

Soontir Trained Tycho, and Tycho was never able to beat him in a simulator. Tychos own words- “Fel is the best Imperial pilot alive.” – Tycho Celchu

Wedge is the second. The only Rebel fighter to survive Both Death Stars, and also the only pilot to shoot down a rogue leader when he shot down lensi.

Tycho would be an honorable mention, But he would tell you himself the three mentioned above would kick his ass. I just really Love Tycho because he is as close to you or i in a fighter that you can get. Just a normal guy that rose to the occasion every time.

Vader really only is able to compete with Wedge and Soontir as a pilot because he is force sensitive. If he wasn't, Fel and Antilles would hand him his ass on a platter.

"If Vader wasn't force sensitive" is totally irrelevant, because he's been the universe's chosen force incarnate his entire life. It'd be like saying ' if Usain Bolt didn't have legs, you could run circles around him!' They are who they are, the culmination of their life experiences and innate personal strengths and desires.

Totally get your point, but you seem to miss mine.

Soontir and Wedge being what they were as pilots, and not being Force sensitive, gives them the edge over Vader in a three way tie in My book. Pure pilot skill, no force.

Personally i would place them as Soontir>Wedge>Vader is terms of pure pilot skill.

Vader is my favorite character period. But i personally feel Antilles and Fel were the better pilots.

Obviously any of my personal opinions on the pilots may be different from others, and totally up for Debate.

Also one should probably take into account what ships they flew. Soontir made a name for himself flying either a Tie or Interceptor, with no shields. There are no second chances in the ships Soontir flew.

Vader needs a Vader only upgrade that allows him to use stress in a positive way. Anger, fear, hate, agrression are things that fuel the dark side of the force. they should enhance him. but yeah, he's pretty good as he is now.

ETA-2 Actis Interceptor Vader.

No pilot skill 10 please. Not enough space on the card. Apart from that detail is the game designed with PS base max 9. A pilot with native 10 would also invalidate Roark.

As for giving Vader's Adv 3dice, with ATC he has 3d +guaranted crit. Further advancing the power creep.

Vader doesn't get stressed. The tokens represent the stress on the ship, which have to keep up with all the crazy things that Vader is using it to do.