Yes, you must buy each and every expansion pack if you want to play the corresponding upgrade card.

It is absolutely illegal to play any type of proxy or copy of a card in a normal, casual game. Which is why ffg has an undercover shadow army patrolling game stores and gamers' homes across the globe. This is why there are no images of any of the upgrade cards available anywhere online and certainly not on the FFG website. Every copier and printer has been programmed to never reproduce ffg x-wing cards, just like paper currency.

If you try to proxy, the ffg police will ram down your door, confiscate your all your x-wing material and probably your opponents. You may also be detained at their maximum security facility in Minnesota where you may be water boarded or forced to watch Xanadu nonstop.

Proxying will not be tolerated. You will be found. You cannot hide. And you will be persecuted to the fullest extent.

I traded an auto-thrusters card for a Twin Ion Engine mkII.

Just think of upgrade cards like pokemon. Gotta catch em all!!!

The upgrade cards & pilots with epic ships definitely crosses a line though. If the starviper buff comes with an epic ship, I'll create an illicit black market of near perfect forgeries that will pass intense Imperial scrutinization.

What is your secret to equip 8 crackshots to a 8 11 point ship?

It's no secret. I own 8 crack shots

And in which list you fit those 8 crackshot cards? Crackhot is one point, the cheapest ship in the game is twelve points and does not come with an ept slot. Even than, 12 + 1 = 13, 13x8 is 104,

I am just curious what I am missing that I ever can use 8 crackshots in a crack shot swarm of 100 points or less. Because in all honesty, I am not against flying a such a crack shot swarm, even when most I have seen are usually 6 TIEs, which is one of each expansion, + one extra vet (which you need for the extra title as there are only two and not three defender titles in that package), one extra party bus and one extra k-fighter. Not really excessive.

And yeah, the cards in the epic ship cards are clearly a **** move from FFG and I will forever hate them for that and not give them a single cent extra ever. It's amazing how hard the brand got tainted by that for me. Second hand FFG stuff is the best FFG stuff btw. ;-)

I traded an auto-thrusters card for a Twin Ion Engine mkII.

Just think of upgrade cards like pokemon. Gotta catch em all!!!

The upgrade cards & pilots with epic ships definitely crosses a line though. If the starviper buff comes with an epic ship, I'll create an illicit black market of near perfect forgeries that will pass intense Imperial scrutinization.

I would just stop playing FFG sanctioned events. Hurray for proxy cards for everyone. It would literally motivate me to host tourneys again, something I have not done on regular base in like 15 years or so. ;-)

FFG know how to get the money out of your wallet. X-Wing is their cash cow at the moment

FFG know how to get the money out of your wallet. X-Wing is their cash cow at the moment

I was so pissed about the whole raider issue that I bought a lot less models because of it. It's not that the disposable income of the average 30+ year old geek is not sufficient to buy one of each from wave 1 to 9 in one go. But we want to feel good about it. So instead of buying more I literally waited for sales and ones I saved that way more money than the epics cost … I still will not forgive FFG. Overall making me buy Palpatine that way lost them money. And will continue to do so.

FFG would not be the first company that is losing money over being too greedy *coughgamesworkshopcough*

Frictional heat needs to feel like cozy nest warmth when you pull someone over the barrel. The CR90 and Imperial Raider feel more like getting flayed.

I buy the ships not the cards. I went through a phase of making my own upgrade caards, which turned out pretty good but at my club we mostly play with x-wing builder printouts!

I like driving my car. I can't stand the Porsche company, their cars are too expensive.

Because of Porsche being a business and needing to make money, I can only afford to drive a crappy Ford.

Why can't Porsche sell their cars cheaper so we can all have fair access to them?

/end rant about the lamentations of paying to play.

It's more like having to buy a Nissan to get the radio for your Ford.

Overall making me buy Palpatine that way lost them money. And will continue to do so.

They made you buy Palpatine?

And it's not complicated that everyone has to make that decision for themselves. The game is still amazingly fun if you make sub tier 1 builds.

That's tantamount to heresy on this forum.

And it's not complicated that everyone has to make that decision for themselves. The game is still amazingly fun if you make sub tier 1 builds.

That's tantamount to heresy on this forum.

https://geordanr.github.io/xwing/?f=Scum%20and%20Villainy&d=v4!s!103:-1:-1:15:;103:-1:-1:15:;133:144,-1,29,-1,122,-1:24:-1:&sn=Unnamed%20Squadron

Then I shall heresy away.

Ive got a friend who ended up losing interest and no longer plays x-wing for the very same reason, I think we got to about wave 4 or 5 before he lost his faith in the game. Which ultimately worked out for me as I bought all the stuff he owned for the game nice and cheap

I like driving my car. I can't stand the Porsche company, their cars are too expensive.

Because of Porsche being a business and needing to make money, I can only afford to drive a crappy Ford.

Why can't Porsche sell their cars cheaper so we can all have fair access to them?

/end rant about the lamentations of paying to play.

It's more like having to buy a Nissan to get the radio for your Ford.

Overall making me buy Palpatine that way lost them money. And will continue to do so.

They made you buy Palpatine?

Yeah, someone from FFG came to my house, put lighter fluid over my illegal palp shuttle and burned the whole shuttle and half my playmat with it.

Afterwards the put kerosene on my wife and made me an offer to save her when I would buy Palpatine or light her up.

So, yeah, technical you have a point, it was my own choice, but what kind of choice it was when I enjoy flying Palpatine and Vader, yet don't give a **** about the raider.

Oh. and saving my wife was sure looked like a plus … until she said that she wants C3PO for her fat han. **** rebel scum …

… speaking of trash. The packing is as well super anti-environmental. I mean, ok, that card is sure worth what they are asking for, but the amount of packing is excessive. There is even this cute, little promo toy in the Palpatine package, must be some silly stardestroyer for Armada or something …

Are we clear now? ;-)

Not to fan the flames of SEApocalypse's wrath, but my favourite ship is the Raider and I have very little use for Palpatine.

We mostly play 30pt dogfights or 400pt team epic.☺

I traded a mate a ton of my old skaven stuff about £130 worth at current prices but I paid less in the early 00's, he got me the raider.

A different friend got me the carrier for my birthday.

So I really have no grounds to moan about epic ship upgrades but I can see the side of those that do.

Split it with a friend who wants to play Epic and sucks horribly at deathmatch? (cuz, lets be honest, we all know that dude from the LGS.)

Not to fan the flames of SEApocalypse's wrath, but my favourite ship is the Raider and I have very little use for Palpatine.

We mostly play 30pt dogfights or 400pt team epic.☺

I actually like the Raider as well. Which makes the whole issue so funny. In the long run I would have bought it anyway, but the business practise annoys me to really no end. It's not like I have issues with donating money for pretty stuff,

I doubt anyone's x-wing collection is more expensive than my league of legends skin habits, which are basically donations to the company as all the skins would be avaible via modding as well.

But here we are, and patching a 13.50€ ship up with a fix in a 90€ package. Something which by all means should be done as cheap as possible for players as it is essential a balance patch.

The packing is as well super anti-environmental. I mean, ok, that card is sure worth what they are asking for, but the amount of packing is excessive. There is even this cute, little promo toy in the Palpatine package, must be some silly stardestroyer for Armada or something …

Are we clear now? ;-)

Oh, I agree. The packaging is ridiculous and the model is super anti-consumer.

However, I understand why the packing is how it is: they make it look bigger in line with its perceived value: LEGO do the same thing. It's more a problem with marketing in general than FFG specifically.

As for the business model, it made a lot of sense in Wave 1 (sell ships, ships have upgrades, their upgrades are interchangable so a new ship also adds more options to your old ships) but eight waves later it's a problem. I doubt the model was designed with tournament metagames in mind.

unless you are playing in competitions proxy the card.... print out a list and play that.

x wing is still a lot cheaper then a lot some other table top games. and ffg put a lot of effort into making it (as well as a large licence fee to Disney)

End of the day this like all the card only threads in this forum is a first world problem

Wave 1 (sell ships, ships have upgrades, their upgrades are interchangable so a new ship also adds more options to your old ships) but eight waves later it's a problem. I doubt the model was designed with tournament metagames in mind.

I would say the tournament metagame design was build around the business model. It not like they are the first ones with that idea either. And to be fair there are plenty of powerful combos and powerful list for a cheap dollar.

I don't think this will ever get really excessive as FFG seems to keeping an eye on it and put their design space in areas which allow to build relatively cheap and competitive lists. And with cheap I mean below $200. Which is perfectly reasonable for adults and even accessible for teenagers. Suits their target audience perfectly.

What is your secret to equip 8 crackshots to a 8 11 point ship?

It's no secret. I own 8 crack shots

And in which list you fit those 8 crackshot cards? Crackhot is one point, the cheapest ship in the game is twelve points and does not come with an ept slot. Even than, 12 + 1 = 13, 13x8 is 104,

I am just curious what I am missing that I ever can use 8 crackshots in a crack shot swarm of 100 points or less. Because in all honesty, I am not against flying a such a crack shot swarm, even when most I have seen are usually 6 TIEs, which is one of each expansion, + one extra vet (which you need for the extra title as there are only two and not three defender titles in that package), one extra party bus and one extra k-fighter. Not really excessive.

And yeah, the cards in the epic ship cards are clearly a **** move from FFG and I will forever hate them for that and not give them a single cent extra ever. It's amazing how hard the brand got tainted by that for me. Second hand FFG stuff is the best FFG stuff btw. ;-)

I didn't say anything about a 100pt list

There's an escalation tournament tomorrow. 8 crack blacks and inquisitor sounds like a fun plan to me.

Forgive me for not understanding your original question. But, you know, it was gibberish

Wave 1 (sell ships, ships have upgrades, their upgrades are interchangable so a new ship also adds more options to your old ships) but eight waves later it's a problem. I doubt the model was designed with tournament metagames in mind.

I would say the tournament metagame design was build around the business model. It not like they are the first ones with that idea either. And to be fair there are plenty of powerful combos and powerful list for a cheap dollar.

I don't think this will ever get really excessive as FFG seems to keeping an eye on it and put their design space in areas which allow to build relatively cheap and competitive lists. And with cheap I mean below $200. Which is perfectly reasonable for adults and even accessible for teenagers. Suits their target audience perfectly.

At the end of the day $200 for a competitive hobby list cheap. try other hobby like photography when 3k for a camera and a lens is acceptable or dancing where the shoes will cost you more or mountain biking or etc etc etc.

Also, if you come from a game background like me that includes Warhammer Fantasy/40k, you are used to dropping up to $500 on a competition army easy, and then spending at least a 150 bucks to get the codex/rules to keep it updated every new addition. X-wing, and Armada, are quite reasonable in comparison.

To be fair, a $500 Warhammer army will usually get you 50+ models and a box of bits.

My issue is that it just seems so wasteful. How many 1000s of starvipers are there sitting in boxes unused because people wanted autothrusters for their A-wings and Interceptors? Those ships took time, energy and materials to produce.

I intend to to buy the ships I actually want to fly, then either make do with the cards from those packs or make printouts using pictures from the internet. I'll only buy a starviper or a raider if I want to use the ship.

I started the game just after the release of Most Wanted. While it was annoying to seemingly have to buy certain ships to get upgrades, when you play long enough you want all the ships anyway lol.

Between my lovely partner who plays Scum and nothing but Scum and I we have 1 of every ship so mucch cardboard and 3 playmats.

Oh and acrylics lol, seriously once you start its like an ADDICTION!

Wave 1 (sell ships, ships have upgrades, their upgrades are interchangable so a new ship also adds more options to your old ships) but eight waves later it's a problem. I doubt the model was designed with tournament metagames in mind.

I would say the tournament metagame design was build around the business model. It not like they are the first ones with that idea either. And to be fair there are plenty of powerful combos and powerful list for a cheap dollar.

I don't think this will ever get really excessive as FFG seems to keeping an eye on it and put their design space in areas which allow to build relatively cheap and competitive lists. And with cheap I mean below $200. Which is perfectly reasonable for adults and even accessible for teenagers. Suits their target audience perfectly.

At the end of the day $200 for a competitive hobby list cheap. try other hobby like photography when 3k for a camera and a lens is acceptable or dancing where the shoes will cost you more or mountain biking or etc etc etc.

Absolutely. X-Wing being cheap was never really disputed. At least I think nobody tried to make the claim that X-Wing would be a expensive hobby.

There are player in my group that only use their tablet and phone to make lists and play them with out any cards on the table ....