So smooth. I might have to try that.

I'm a very clumsy player, and honestly, to think that's all this was is naive. He has a smooth, practiced movement to bump them out of range one, and then a perfect movement on the third.

The telling move on this is his second ship. Its very obvious he is deliberately sliding back the template. Its also pretty telling how quickly he removes the template from the play surface.

The initial bump back when [placing the template i could say could possibly be an oops. The backwards slide of the template after the ship moves is deliberate. On the second move, you can even tell he is not even "bumping" it backwards. Instead, he is actively sliding the template back with the hand in possession of the template.

The first move is a little more "bumpy" and i would not e willing to call that deliberate, but after watching the second move several times i have drawn my own conclusion.

Deliberate.

He doesn't cheat well enough to play SCUM!

Out the airlock with him!

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

I don't take orders from you.

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

I think this had been quite a good discussion, no OTT ranting just people posting their opinions.

For what happened I think in retrospect a ban is harsh I do think he's standing in the Jakku event should be voided and he should be watched much closer in the future.

As for this being a witch hunt, I've seen no evidence of that...

A suspension is the usual treatment. It's is an official event after all!

Yet the manipulation is not that obvious than with the other cases which had been put on the black list. (With one of them being a maniac who pretty much wanted to get caught on camera - for reasons only known to himself!)

A suspension is the usual treatment. It's is an official event after all!

Yet the manipulation is not that obvious than with the other cases which had been put on the black list. (With one of them being a maniac who pretty much wanted to get caught on camera - for reasons only known to himself!)

Naaa he didn't want to get caught, he just fü*ked up... I know him, he must have the larges balls in the world as he still turns up at non official tournaments. He got a hard time for ages about it but now that kind of died down people just get on with the game. That said people do keep a close eye on him. But IMHO he has suffered enough for what he did

I know why one of the guys is on there (Warhammer 40k conquest) but what about the others?

I know why one of the guys is on there (Warhammer 40k conquest) but what about the others?

One guy on the black list got caught on video cheating in an ffg card game tournament, and another (the one I mentioned above) posted a video of his own game in a regional tournament where you can see him changing his dial while the other player isn't looking.... All water under the bridge now though

The third one changed his dial, while his opponent (the resident TO) was away from the board and solving a rules dispute at another table.

All while being on camera!

Jesus.. Tournament or not I just don't get cheating.. Pretty sad really.

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

Rebel lies the empire may be forced occasionally to use force to stop quarreling factions but the majority of the galaxy welcomes our presence as peace keepers and law officers.

This sort of stuff happens, no one is Vassel perfect.

In fact, it actually makes me really anxious about having any of my matches recorded for fear of having an entire thread dedicated to how someone uses their templates/rolls their dice/what tokens they use to represent what.

I am messy dice roller and I often nudge my ships slightly, especially in a fur ball or when I am having to reach all the way across the table, the fact that there are some people that would actually think I am doing that on purpose to gain an advantage is a little bit ridiculous.

Talk about sucking the fun out of something.

You make a very valid point but it just seems (with the joys of modern technology) the he knowingly or unknowing got a minor advantage from an imperfect manoeuvre..... I often bump ships and asteroids but that's because I'm a giant bumble foot..... This wont be the first lynch mob here that hunts down an accused cheat.

<insert popcorn icon>

I dread the time I end up on stream for exactly this reason.

"CHEATING!!!1one"

No, just clumsy AF.

part of the reason I say i don't want my games recorded ..... people dont like that and get suspicious straight off the bat. but it is getting kind of stupid that at a normal tournament every 3rd game is being recorded (probably in attempts just to catch a cheat).

Wow, you must yourself be very suspicious person, if you think that recording games are for catching cheaters. The only reason games are being recorded/streamed is that players can watch/rewatch games that they otherwise wouldn't be able to. It's for the good of the community, as you may meet some foreign player at a premium event, whom you recognize from a stream. Or you might find it exciting to watch players from your local community.

It looks clearly cheating to me.

Seems like an incredible risky and stupid way to cheat though. With any knowledge of the rule of 11 the palp aces player could have known that the jumpmaster player was cheating. With these starting positions, they are about 18 bases apart. The ships moved 2x6 +4 = 16 bases. Which leaves less then 2,5 bases between the ships, so clearly R1.

I agree. I did the same measurements at home and either there's something really odd about the length of his templates or he knowingly moves his ships and templates a total of 2 cm. It seems too calculated to be sloppiness.

. But I have as shaky of hands as anybody, and little scoots either closer, or further happen all the time because I have trouble keeping my hands steady.

That wasn't the product of shaky hands. My hands sometimes shake too (I really should drink less soda), and it never looks like what that guy did. Steady, smoothly, quickly sliding his ships and templates straight back as he moved them. No wobble to speak of. And then, yeah, it didn't happen with the third ship.

There is no slippery slope where we correctly identify this as cheating and then someone burns down your house because you have shaky hands. Really.

But you can still perform maneuvers incorrectly steadily and smoothly simply by just being nervous or, perhaps more likely, by being inattentive.

I feel like there would need to be a lot more evidence for something like this. If we have another video or two of him playing and we see similar illegal movements of the ships at closely contested ranges, the call would be easier to make.

Here's a little more evidence from the final:

At around 3:32 he moves his two first ships really fast, maybe nudging the first one, but visibly nudging the second twice and the template moves as well. Accidently or not, that second ship gets a better arc from that nudge. Then he proceeds to move his third ship perfectly, carefully making sure the knobs fits around the template. The manner of how he holds the two front ships, compared to the third is also different.

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

Rebel lies the empire may be forced occasionally to use force to stop quarreling factions but the majority of the galaxy welcomes our presence as peace keepers and law officers.

FOR A FREE RYLOTH.....

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

No discussion allowed on topics i'm not personally interested in!

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

Rebel lies the empire may be forced occasionally to use force to stop quarreling factions but the majority of the galaxy welcomes our presence as peace keepers and law officers.

FOR A FREE RYLOTH.....

That's rich given how you sell your women.

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

Rebel lies the empire may be forced occasionally to use force to stop quarreling factions but the majority of the galaxy welcomes our presence as peace keepers and law officers.

FOR A FREE RYLOTH.....

That's rich given how you sell your women.

Any ewes for sale?

Just asking....

Cheers

Baaa

The rules committee has been made aware of it. The witch hunt brewing here serves no purpose other than to generate bile and mistrust. Move along, people.

Actually a good witch hunt does play an interesting roll .... Its kind of like how the Empire rules through fear and control.

Rebel lies the empire may be forced occasionally to use force to stop quarreling factions but the majority of the galaxy welcomes our presence as peace keepers and law officers.

FOR A FREE RYLOTH.....

That's rich given how you sell your women.

I wonder if there is a loop hole in the regs to allow a pole to be installed on the bridge of my Star Destroyer...

Finally got a good look at the video and I'm leaning towards the "he was cheating" camp. I'll be keeping an eye out for stuff like this at my tournaments. Usually the first few rounds are the ones you pay least attention to as you take a breath from the chaos of setup.

Do you think it would be possible to do a 1-forward with TIE fighters using this technique?

Do you think it would be possible to do a 1-forward with TIE fighters using this cheat ?

Fixed that for you