My guess is production delays, or out right errors with molds, likely forced them to resort releases.

I have serious doubts that they intended to release Flotillas on their own.

Oh, they almost certainly did not.

The flotillas are clearly the same models released as components in the Rebellion board game. Rumors were circulating that the Interdictor was being beta tested as far back as last year.

I'm guessing (educated guessing, but still) that with production issues driving back the release of Wave 3 (now Wave 4) someone looked around, saw Rebellion over in the corner, and suddenly thought "why don't we find a way to use these really small ship models that were already producing?"

Queue several weeks of beta testing and finding that they brought some interesting changes to the game if given unique non-combat roles as their main game contribution. Suddenly, they had an easy way to add two products, didn't have to spend a ton of money on research or design of the new sculpts, and as a smaller release could announce it and possibly even release it earlier when store owners began asking when the new wave of product is coming out (and they were).

So you're saying there's a chance (that the hiatus and lack of releases was due to production failure more so then questionable business strategy)?!

/sigh

You have yet to prove any lack of releases. Stop spouting nonsense.

It does not matter what the intent was. It is just as possible that they did not want to push too many things at once and the higher ups decided to split it up. X-Wing had releases of 2 ships so it is not uncommon for us to get the same.

???

X-Wing Wave 2 --> Wave 3

Feb 28, 2013 --> September 12, 2013: ~7 months

Armada Wave 2 --> Wave 3/4

November 26, 2015 --> End of August is it? ~9 months

Therefore, the hiatus or dryspell is indeed true, especially when you consider recent releases. Even back in X-Wing Wave 2, they got their product faster. Therefore, there is nothing wrong with my statement

In fact, if their initial intentions was to release the Flotillas earlier, then that would have been technically, a faster wave than X-Wing But it didn't..

Source:http://xwing-miniatures.wikia.com/wiki/X-Wing_Miniatures_Wikihttp://starwars-armada.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Armada_Wiki

Sure, then we have wave 4 which you left out.

X-Wing

Wave 3 September 12 2013 --> June 26, 2014

9 months.

Overall length for X-Wing release to Wave 4 release: 21 months

Overall length for Armada release to wave 4 release: 17 months.

What's your point again?

Good thing you brought that up.

X-Wing Wave 3 --> Wave 4

Released September 12, 2013 ---> Released June 26, 2014 = ~9 months

We still don't have Wave 3 for Armada GJ supporting my point further, unless of course, you want to talk about how X-Wing got 8 ships in Waves 3/4 where Armada only has 4 (counting Flotillas as ships obviously). That's another story I'd be happy to explain if you really need it.

Wow. . . It's like you can't read. We have to have the same argument because you are as dense as a rock.

Armada has 13 releases right now while when X-Wing was in wave 2 it only have 9. Wave 3 will make that 15 to 13 and wave 4 will be 17 to 17 in wave releases.

Stop acting obtuse. Yes we don't have wave 3 yet but we are still on the schedule average so get off your high horse.

Dear lords, this fight is now going on in two thread. Would you guys just Stop! Take it to pms or something. Please for sanity.

Hahaha, that's funny what ever the thread I'm going, I can find a debate between you two guy's (HERO who's allways mad at our game and Lyraeus who's pissed by HERO).

HERO if you like the game, stop arguying against it. The majority of us are happy with the rythme and the number of release. This is not X-Wing, it's god **** Armada, the best game ever. If you prefer X-Wing, go a head, nobody will blame you but we understand your point. We don't need to think your way.

Lyr, you are maybe one of the best leader on this forum, we all know your commitment to the game. You don't need to brake someone who just don't get it. We know that Armada is here to stay ans is healthy.

It's time for peace you two

For the pleasure of the game

Dear lords, this fight is now going on in two thread. Would you guys just Stop! Take it to pms or something. Please for sanity.

Utter rubbish in my opinion. I don't have to be a fan boy or anything to quote the facts. Historical trends are my expertise.

Dear lords, this fight is now going on in two thread. Would you guys just Stop! Take it to pms or something. Please for sanity.

How do you think I feel. I have to reply because some random person who does not read every thread is going to listen to this person and take his word as gospel and that can turn a person off from the game when in fact HERO is wrong and is refusing to acknowledge that. He would rather complain and not quote any fact that is not in line with his faulty opinion.

Utter rubbish in my opinion. I don't have to be a fan boy or anything to quote the facts. Historical trends are my expertise.

Except I'm not wrong, because what I stated in this thread is that 1. there has been a hiatus (as indicated in the 2nd post I made in this thread), and 2. if Wave 3 was supposed to come out earlier but got delayed, then we would indeed have faster release than X-Wing when it was early in their development cycle.

Here, I made a graph just for you, because apparently you're a 27-year old man who has trouble visualizing data when it's written. If you read the first post that I made in this thread, I speak specifically about the hiatus, nothing more. Keep the tangents and ad hominems at home when you're trying to talk data.

Honestly though Ly, you act like an emotional child every time you respond. Stop throwing a tantrum. Also, please put me on ignore because I can't stand to have you respond to every single one of my posts with a crybaby response. You're just trolling me at this point, in every thread, so I think it would be best if you stopped

I'd disagree about the majority of players being happy about the release pace of Armada bit I do agree that if users are going to have a heated argument they should at least try to keep it contained to one thread.

burp

Holy crap I'd ban you both! For Fel's sake enough

I'm certainly not happy with how long it takes for ships to get released, But there's no reason to argue about it. Some people will be happy with time it takes, some will think it takes too long and there might be a few people who think the releases are coming out too fast. I'll still buy them whether hey come out with a wave every 3 months or every 6 months. The game will still be fun with what we already have so I try to remember that and have patience. Both hero and lyr should concede their argument. Neither of them is going to change the others mind. Both of them have valid points i think.

I think they love each other too much, but they're too proud to admit it.

The real question both of you are failing to answer is why KFC keeps changing the colonel...

He's like the Doctor, whenever he should have died from all the cholesterol in his bloodstream, he just changes into a new form.

Hang on. The Colonel changes?

Literally every single time.

Confirmed...The Colonel is a time lord and Ewoks are Illuminati.

The real question both of you are failing to answer is why KFC keeps changing the colonel...

He's like the Doctor, whenever he should have died from all the cholesterol in his bloodstream, he just changes into a new form.

Hang on. The Colonel changes?

Literally every single time.

Confirmed...The Colonel is a time lord and Ewoks are Illuminati.

Dude, don't talk about the Ewok Illuminati. That **** will get you killed.

Yub yub mother ******.

I'm certainly not happy with how long it takes for ships to get released, But there's no reason to argue about it. Some people will be happy with time it takes, some will think it takes too long and there might be a few people who think the releases are coming out too fast. I'll still buy them whether hey come out with a wave every 3 months or every 6 months. The game will still be fun with what we already have so I try to remember that and have patience. Both hero and lyr should concede their argument. Neither of them is going to change the others mind. Both of them have valid points i think.

Right now it is 13 to 13 in product releases but what your likely complaint is on the release of 2015 when they dropped a ton of products because of a new faction

Just because it matches what X-wing put out in the same timeframe does not mean that is a good thing.

X-wing had bad delays between certain waves. Imperial Aces was lost for months. One of the most harped on criticism of X-Wing, especially within the first few waves, was the slow (and constantly delayed) release schedule.

It's not a flattering comparison.

Just because it matches what X-wing put out in the same timeframe does not mean that is a good thing.

X-wing had bad delays between certain waves. Imperial Aces was lost for months. One of the most harped on criticism of X-Wing, especially within the first few waves, was the slow (and constantly delayed) release schedule.

It's not a flattering comparison.

Agreed but at the same time it shows a trend which is good for analysis. You have to also factor in that those extra expansions were just that, extra fixer expansions which armada has not needed yet.

... the slow (and constantly delayed) release schedule....

I think we are on par with X-Wing there.

Wave 3 has been on the boat for 10 weeks. As such it has reached an average speed of about 6.5km/hour during the 11,700km trip from China. Which is about a fast walk.

With Rebellion our stores got product the same day as the US, so it will be interesting to see if we continue that trend or being another half way around the world have our usual 4-5 week extra waiting time. 14-16 weeks really isn't a great target for delivery.

I don't really see the point in comparing Armada to X-Wing, anyway, since they are not really aimed at the exact same market as one another. Sure, there is a solid chunk of overlap, but X-Wing is a bit more "casual", for lack of a better term.

X-Wing minis are cheaper, and the game has a significantly lower cost of entry with a starter set that - locally, at least - costs less than half that of the Armada core. Many small sales are easier to make than fewer large ones, after all, and X-Wing is simply more popular than Armada - both for the lower entry cost and for the simpler, faster gameplay.

So the argument that Armada has less product than X-Wing did at the same time of release, regardless of accuracy or lack thereof, means... pretty well jack all. Armada isn't dead, the sky isn't falling, the Interdictor is a wedge of pure, unadulterated beauty, etc.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if wave 3 and 4 were supposed to be one wave originally, but the reasons for the split are unlikely to be simple.

TL;DR - Apples and oranges, let's be excited for new spaceship models, and look forward to wave 5

Just because it matches what X-wing put out in the same timeframe does not mean that is a good thing.

X-wing had bad delays between certain waves. Imperial Aces was lost for months. One of the most harped on criticism of X-Wing, especially within the first few waves, was the slow (and constantly delayed) release schedule.

It's not a flattering comparison

On a positive note, these threads have finally been enough to inspire me to learn how the "ignore poster" function works!!

On a positive note, these threads have finally been enough to inspire me to learn how the "ignore poster" function works!!

Wake Up! You can't ignore the Ewok Illuminati!

I am happy to say I was wrong with thinking Nov. So more ships to play with.

I don't really see the point in comparing Armada to X-Wing, anyway, since they are not really aimed at the exact same market as one another. Sure, there is a solid chunk of overlap, but X-Wing is a bit more "casual", for lack of a better term.

X-Wing minis are cheaper, and the game has a significantly lower cost of entry with a starter set that - locally, at least - costs less than half that of the Armada core. Many small sales are easier to make than fewer large ones, after all, and X-Wing is simply more popular than Armada - both for the lower entry cost and for the simpler, faster gameplay.

So the argument that Armada has less product than X-Wing did at the same time of release, regardless of accuracy or lack thereof, means... pretty well jack all. Armada isn't dead, the sky isn't falling, the Interdictor is a wedge of pure, unadulterated beauty, etc.

All that said, I wouldn't be surprised if wave 3 and 4 were supposed to be one wave originally, but the reasons for the split are unlikely to be simple.

TL;DR - Apples and oranges, let's be excited for new spaceship models, and look forward to wave 5

Interesting point, the website for firestorm games in Cardiff, Wales (uk) has an expected date for wave 3 of 27th of July (tomorrow) and for wave 4 goodies as August 6th.

Not sure how accurate it is but it's got me hoping!

Interesting point, the website for firestorm games in Cardiff, Wales (uk) has an expected date for wave 3 of 27th of July (tomorrow) and for wave 4 goodies as August 6th.

Not sure how accurate it is but it's got me hoping!

Whatever is going on (and I'm sure we will never know) by all rights and by previous observation, wave 3 SHOULD be off the boat by now but it isn't. Or, more accurately, the status has not been advanced on the upcoming tab. If nothing else this super extended on the boat phase is eyebrow raising.