Why should people that hate Star Wars be allowed in?
Um.... people who like the prequels hate Star Wars?
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Prequel Ships With Prequel Factions
As a former Rebellion Era purist (snob) who saw A New Hope in the theater as a 7 year old kid in 1977 before it was even called A New Hope, I don't understand why Disney keeps the prequels as canon yet doesn't seem to want anything to do with them. I've been watching the Clone Wars show on Netflix and have been enjoying it. I tried The Rebels show and didn't like that so I stopped watching it. However, with the return of Thrawn, Ashoka Tano and Maul, it looks to be getting pretty interesting. Plus, I recently read the Tarkin book and liked it. I look forward the the Clone Wars and Rebels shows featuring him. I even read the first novel of the NJO series, Vector Prime, and liked that too. To me, it's all Star Wars - OT, Prequel Era, TFA, Rogue One, Episode 8, NJO, whatever. The more Star Wars, the better. Legends, canon, whatever. I don't care anymore. I opened my mind and exanded my universe and couldn't be happier for it. I say, bring on the Prequel Era ships. I'd even buy some Vong ships. In fact, I'm making my own Vong mission right now and plan to buy 6 skips from Mel's to run it. If you don't like it, fine. I'm not judging. But, don't come down on others if they do. The ARC-170 is the only wave 9 ship that interests me at the moment but I'm not on here railing about the ones I don't care for because I know others will like them.
I think one of the biggest things that stand kind of in the way of pre-quel material coming to X-Wing is, as odd as this might sound, marketability. As toyetic as the prequels were, there just has been no focus on them, from the business standpoint, for quite some time now. And looking back, the most iconic thing I can really come up with from the prequels is Maul's lightsaber.
Unless we see some sort of major resurgence of prequel era material coming out of Disney, I dont think we'll see much in X-Wing from that period beyond a trickle effect of a ship or two.
Marketability isn't an issue in the slightest. The arc-170 will sell well, and so will any other prequel ships that they add.
Why? Because they make well-made beautiful models, and add new play features and/or upgrades that most will want to incorporate into their x-wing games, especially if they play competitively.
In fact if FFG does have any worries about a ship, all the more likely they add a new upgrade that's must have. See TLT on k-wings or extra munitions on tie punishers for example.
Why should people that hate Star Wars be allowed in?
Um.... people who like the prequels hate Star Wars?
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Why are you engaging the troll? Never feed trolls.
I frankly would like to see the Republic and CIS as independent factions. They both easily have major archtypes that are different enough to the other factions.
Republic has elite Jedi pilots with many crazy abilities backed up by relatively disposable clones. They would have virtually no large ships.
CIS is a faction made up heavily of droids, which I can think up of many ways to make interesting. They also have some rather awesome ships like the Sith Infiltrator. We could also finally get a real Firespray fix by rereleasing Jango's Slave-I.
I can also see adding some kind of force upgrade for Force sensitive pilots, that would operate kind of like the tech slot does for FO and Resistance right now, which I would also like to see independent at some distant point in the future.
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I frankly would like to see the Republic and CIS as independent factions. They both easily have major archtypes that are different enough to the other factions.
Republic has elite Jedi pilots with many crazy abilities backed up by relatively disposable clones. They would have virtually no large ships.
CIS is a faction made up heavily of droids, which I can think up of many ways to make interesting. They also have some rather awesome ships like the Sith Infiltrator. We could also finally get a real Firespray fix by rereleasing Jango's Slave-I.
I can also see adding some kind of force upgrade for Force sensitive pilots, that would operate kind of like the tech slot does for FO and Resistance right now, which I would also like to see independent at some distant point in the future.
As much as I'm hesitant to add a bunch of new factions, I do like these ideas. Particularly the Force-upgrade. I've always wondered what the Prequel-era Jedi pilots would be like, and I also like the Jedi Starfighter designs.
There's not really a wealth of ships in the prequels to add, anyway. And with the franchise revitalized and disney-fied, there should be plenty of other things to add in further waves that are not I-III based.
As a former Rebellion Era purist (snob) who saw A New Hope in the theater as a 7 year old kid in 1977 before it was even called A New Hope, I don't understand why Disney keeps the prequels as canon yet doesn't seem to want anything to do with them. I've been watching the Clone Wars show on Netflix and have been enjoying it. I tried The Rebels show and didn't like that so I stopped watching it. However, with the return of Thrawn, Ashoka Tano and Maul, it looks to be getting pretty interesting. Plus, I recently read the Tarkin book and liked it. I look forward the the Clone Wars and Rebels shows featuring him. I even read the first novel of the NJO series, Vector Prime, and liked that too. To me, it's all Star Wars - OT, Prequel Era, TFA, Rogue One, Episode 8, NJO, whatever. The more Star Wars, the better. Legends, canon, whatever. I don't care anymore. I opened my mind and exanded my universe and couldn't be happier for it. I say, bring on the Prequel Era ships. I'd even buy some Vong ships. In fact, I'm making my own Vong mission right now and plan to buy 6 skips from Mel's to run it. If you don't like it, fine. I'm not judging. But, don't come down on others if they do. The ARC-170 is the only wave 9 ship that interests me at the moment but I'm not on here railing about the ones I don't care for because I know others will like them.
I agree, more Star Wars is better.
As for Rebels, how far did you get? Because the show is getting better the farther along it goes, particularly the end of Season 1 and... pretty much all of season 2. I thought Clone Wars was really rough at the start, but got waaaaaay better as it went along. Rebels is doing the same thing. It started safe and clearly targeting kids, but it's since found room to grow on try new things.
I'd personally highly recommend you get through all the episodes. It's become something special, IMO.
Fair. It's a slippery slope.I like it. But that does raise the question of who then gets the Republic. Themeticly, I think they'd fit in best with the rebels, but the Republic turned into the Empire, so...
Yeah, I've thought about that. I don't have an answer.
Why couldn't it be both? Some pilots stayed with republic when it became The Empire, others didn't like what it turned into and joined the Rebellion. I think it would fit the theme of the factional split that became what we loved in Star Wars.
Why should people that hate Star Wars be allowed in?
Um.... people who like the prequels hate Star Wars?
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I have learnt to skim anything from PGS. Sometimes he? has some good insight on things, grown from experience within the game. Other times it's as if he? has left the computer on and a monkey has come to the keyboard. Most the time ignore the post and move on.
I have learnt to skim anything from PGS. Sometimes he? has some good insight on things, grown from experience within the game. Other times it's as if he? has left the computer on and a monkey has come to the keyboard. Most the time ignore the post and move on.
I'm noticing. Any time I need to respond with "what the f*ck am I reading," any conversation there may have been has ended.
Myself and a few others have mentioned it before, but I think the most ideal solution if they would ever add prequel factions, is to create new main factions of Light Side, Dark Side, and Scum.
Light Side would have subfactions of Rebels, Resistance, and Republic.
Dark Side would have subfactions of Empire, First Order, and CIS.
Scum would stay the same. They seem to have already passed the point of adding subfactions (a black sun one would have been cool though).
The Republic forces we see in the prequels are under the control of Palpatine so I think are dark side. Arguably even the Jedi were unwittingly working for the dark side. Unlike the original trilogy I don't see clear factions in the prequels just a whole load of dark side created chaos.
Fair. It's a slippery slope.I like it. But that does raise the question of who then gets the Republic. Themeticly, I think they'd fit in best with the rebels, but the Republic turned into the Empire, so...
Yeah, I've thought about that. I don't have an answer.
Why couldn't it be both? Some pilots stayed with republic when it became The Empire, others didn't like what it turned into and joined the Rebellion. I think it would fit the theme of the factional split that became what we loved in Star Wars.
Subfactions worked perfectly for sequel trilogy content. The First Order and the Resistance are simply continuations of the Empire and the Rebels. But it's nowhere near that clean and simple for prequel factions. The whole "Separatists as a Scum subfaction" had honestly never occurred to me (the idea of something as catch-all as Scum & Villainy having subfactions never occurred to me, actually), but it really does fit pretty well given that the Separtist military comes largely from groups like the Trade Federation and the Commerce Guild.
The problem of course comes with the Republic. The Galactic Empire is the direct successor state of the Galatic Republic, but on the other hand the Rebels are formally the "Alliance to Restore the Republic". And thematically it's also a mixed bag, with equipment and troops that are obvious forerunners of both the Empire and the Rebels. I can't really see the Republic working as anything other than a faction in its own right. And it certainly has enough X-wing scale ships to be a complete faction.
Edited by Red XIVFly Casual (as defined by Star Wars canon): Appear to be friendly. Sneak into their forest moon base and shut down their shields. Blow up their things and kill thousands.
Can we please stop bleating that stupid phrase as if it means something important?
There's not really a wealth of ships in the prequels to add, anyway. And with the franchise revitalized and disney-fied, there should be plenty of other things to add in further waves that are not I-III based.
There are enough ships from the prequels to put out an equal amount of ships each faction has currently. I'd kind of prefer a whole new Republic and CIS faction added to the game, but if they don't want to do that I'd be fine with them making a CIS subfaction for scum, a Jedi subfaction for the Rebels, and I guess the Empire will just get more and more obscure Tie variants.
The Rebel ARC 170 kinda messes things up a little bit though, seeing as its title isn't Rebel only, I think it might be a little safe to say they don't plan to go with a Republic faction.
As a former Rebellion Era purist (snob) who saw A New Hope in the theater as a 7 year old kid in 1977 before it was even called A New Hope, I don't understand why Disney keeps the prequels as canon yet doesn't seem to want anything to do with them. I've been watching the Clone Wars show on Netflix and have been enjoying it. I tried The Rebels show and didn't like that so I stopped watching it. However, with the return of Thrawn, Ashoka Tano and Maul, it looks to be getting pretty interesting. Plus, I recently read the Tarkin book and liked it. I look forward the the Clone Wars and Rebels shows featuring him. I even read the first novel of the NJO series, Vector Prime, and liked that too. To me, it's all Star Wars - OT, Prequel Era, TFA, Rogue One, Episode 8, NJO, whatever. The more Star Wars, the better. Legends, canon, whatever. I don't care anymore. I opened my mind and exanded my universe and couldn't be happier for it. I say, bring on the Prequel Era ships. I'd even buy some Vong ships. In fact, I'm making my own Vong mission right now and plan to buy 6 skips from Mel's to run it. If you don't like it, fine. I'm not judging. But, don't come down on others if they do. The ARC-170 is the only wave 9 ship that interests me at the moment but I'm not on here railing about the ones I don't care for because I know others will like them.
I agree, more Star Wars is better.
As for Rebels, how far did you get? Because the show is getting better the farther along it goes, particularly the end of Season 1 and... pretty much all of season 2. I thought Clone Wars was really rough at the start, but got waaaaaay better as it went along. Rebels is doing the same thing. It started safe and clearly targeting kids, but it's since found room to grow on try new things.
I'd personally highly recommend you get through all the episodes. It's become something special, IMO.
I only made it through a few shows of Rebels. I plan to watch it after Clone Wars. I just started season 3 of Clone Wars and it's really picking up steam. I agree season 1 of Clone Wars was a tough watch and I almost bailed on it. I'm glad I didn't. I was initially upset when Disney canned the old EU but most of it was garbage anyway. If they continue to cherry-pick the best parts, like Thrawn, I'm OK with that. I just hope they don't alter his character too much and that Captain Pallaeon comes along for the ride as well.
and that Captain Pallaeon comes along for the ride as well.
Just this *^*
There's not really a wealth of ships in the prequels to add, anyway. And with the franchise revitalized and disney-fied, there should be plenty of other things to add in further waves that are not I-III based.
Remember, prequels also means TCW. So yes, there's plenty that could be added. Here's what would be available for a Republic faction, without going into Legends material at all.
Small ships:
Delta-7B Aethersprite-class light interceptor
Eta-2 Actis-class light interceptor
Large ships:
Huge ships:
Stealth ship (Disney, give this thing a name already.)
And for a Separatist faction, these would be available.
Small ships:
Belbullab-22 starfighter/Soulless One
Ginivex-class fanblade starfighter
Nantex-class territorial starfighter
Large ships:
Sheathipede-class transport shuttle
Huge ships:
Punworcca 116-class interstellar sloop
Sadly the Separtists are lacking in Huge ships that are still small enough to fit in an X-Wing game, and I have my doubts about how workable Dooku's solar sailer would be, but with the sail extended it's way too big to be anything else.
The prequels are a cancerous blight on star wars.
The sith control the seperatist military directly. Thus separatist should be empire.
The jedi lead the republic army, thus they should be Rebellion.
And while we are at it, we could rename the two of main factions into Jedi and Sith. Though I don't see that much potential for those ships, one or two waves max. They would be interesting for armada though.
The prequels aren't good, and they don't count as Star Wars.
And here he goes he NPE again. Some people just want the see the world burn.
Look, if it helps any, think of it as a separate game, with the same rules, and some compatable cards.
The prequels are a cancerous blight on star wars.
People like you are a cancerous blight on the Star Wars community.
I don't like the idea of light side/dark side fractions, it just doesn't work with more complicated political situation in the prequels. If Resistance and FO get separated from Alliance and Empire, which might happen in a few waves, assuming people responsible for new canon material will hire competent ship designers, it would open a possibility of introducing Republic and CIS fractions.
Arguments about timeline and fluff don't work at all since we have pilots and ships from alternative universe (Legends) and the gap between the end of the Galactic Civil War and the Backyard Skirmish of TFA is greater than between the end of the Clone Wars and the start of the GCW.
We can field Poe with goddamn Biggs, who died years before Poe was born.
Technological progress also doesn't seem to be an issue as it looks like it exists when it suits the author and doesn't when it doesn't. See: (Ko)TOR.
I also don't see how Anakin fighting Vader is any more dsiturbing than Vader fighting Vader in a mirror match.
The number of ships is not a problem at all, there is MUCH more (on-screen) canon ships for each of the prequel fractions than for Scum. And there are also some in legends.
We can field Poe with goddamn Biggs, who died years before Poe was born.
The longest-dead character will be Ventress with her Lancer-class ship Banshee (same type of ship as the Shadow Caster), who died before Luke was born - before the Clone Wars ended, in fact. We could say that, like Moralo Eval (at least so far), she's a purely "prequel-era" character.
Edited by IronlordWith the Arc-170 comming "retrofitted" to the Rebels so could the rest of the Republic clonearea ships, and it would make sense to let the Sith/Geonosian seperatist ships enter into the "service of the Empire", while some of the Tradefederation droidships could be "salvaged" by Scum (here perhaps as a subfaction).
I doubt the empire will take shoddy craft
As frail as the TIE is, it's supposedly super advanced in its era. It's VERY high performance for being a disposable assembly line deathtrap piloted by lemmings
So any prequel ship not heading to rebs are almost invariably going to Scum