Hello guys ! Just a quick question ! Do you think that there are Admirals more suited for First player, and others more suited for Second player ?

Let's debate !

No.

No.

That's not enough Lyr, you can do better with an argument !

No.

That's not enough Lyr, you can do better with an argument !

There are situations that you. Can plan for and set up however that let's your Commander be better in one or the other but in all honesty that is on the player.

So far in Armada, there is no right and wrong thing to do. There are options and which option is the best for you at that moment

There are admirals which prefer to be on the front foot:

Screed,

Vader,

Dodonna,

Those who are happy to be on the back foot:

Rieekan,

Mothma,

Ozzel,

Madine,

Tagge,

Motti

And those who couldnt give two cents either way:

Tarkin,

Garm,

Cracken,

Ackbar,

The only things i can think of are Rieekan who is more likely to be encountered in a second player list and Screed who is most likely to be in a first player list.

The only things i can think of are Rieekan who is more likely to be encountered in a second player list and Screed who is most likely to be in a first player list.

Ackbar is ony who likes second as well. Ackbar wants the opponent to put themselves in the arcs of his ships so that he can do his work. The more side arcs that see the enemy ship the more damage that can be focused onto that ship.

The only things i can think of are Rieekan who is more likely to be encountered in a second player list and Screed who is most likely to be in a first player list.

Ackbar is ony who likes second as well. Ackbar wants the opponent to put themselves in the arcs of his ships so that he can do his work. The more side arcs that see the enemy ship the more damage that can be focused onto that ship.

I am hurt

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

But admirals are part of list building and tactics, aren't they ? Considering going second is more about the ability to perform well with the objectives to mitigate first player advantage, some Admirals can shine a bit more around here.

For example, let's take Tarkin and Garm, which both offer some reactivity to ships can probably get more mileage than other admirals in a second player list.

For first player, Motti might not bring as much damage as, for instance, Screed does, when comparing a similar points value. Same goes for Tarkin and Vader at a higher points level, where I'd actually prefer Tarkin when playing for the objectives.

I think the question should be, does an admiral aid at least one of each of the three missions types you are taking in your mission set ?

If the answer is yes it's fair to say that admiral specifically supports second player, it does not mean it's better as second player, it just specifically adds value to your mission pick. Remembering all admirals will add something to both first and second.

Take Ozzel:

Most wanted, that ability to change speed very quickly makes your objective ship harder to pin and theirs easier to catch.

Intel sweep, dangerous territory, that change in movement helps both of these

Hyperspace assault, helps you stay behind or keep in position.

Riek removes the disadvantage of getting nuked before activation, even if shrimps really like going first

I would say that the only admiral that perfers going second is Rieekan. One of the main advantages of activating first is being able to kill a ship before it activates, and Rieekan counters that perfectly.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Well, take a look at what you just said here:

Why do you think he wants first player with Ackbar shrimps?

At the same time, if you're dropping 3 Guppies with a ton of a hull and a certain strategy that does not involve threat position, then the need to go first becomes more watered down.

Or in my case and my AckbarBB, I absolutely do want first because of the huge damage potential a slash can deliver while being able to re-position because of Engine Techs. However, when GK said that all Admirals want to be first, I don't disagree with that statement. I think 9/10, regardless of who is picked, going first offers a huge advantage, especially mixed with last activation..

You could ask me? Crazy idea huh?

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Well, take a look at what you just said here:

Why do you think he wants first player with Ackbar shrimps?

At the same time, if you're dropping 3 Guppies with a ton of a hull and a certain strategy that does not involve threat position, then the need to go first becomes more watered down.

Or in my case and my AckbarBB, I absolutely do want first because of the huge damage potential a slash can deliver while being able to re-position because of Engine Techs. However, when GK said that all Admirals want to be first, I don't disagree with that statement. I think 9/10, regardless of who is picked, going first offers a huge advantage, especially mixed with last activation..

As nice as first player is, it is easy enough to counter. If you are running an AkbarBB you won't had too many ships. Or that great of a bid if you go with TRC90's.

Haven played against your list style, MattShadowlord's and Ginkapo's lists each has its strengths but each has its place. Take first away from Ginkapo or you and it becomes easy to take down. Of you can't get first, catch a couple of ships and force a kill next turn.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Well, take a look at what you just said here:

Why do you think he wants first player with Ackbar shrimps?

At the same time, if you're dropping 3 Guppies with a ton of a hull and a certain strategy that does not involve threat position, then the need to go first becomes more watered down.

Or in my case and my AckbarBB, I absolutely do want first because of the huge damage potential a slash can deliver while being able to re-position because of Engine Techs. However, when GK said that all Admirals want to be first, I don't disagree with that statement. I think 9/10, regardless of who is picked, going first offers a huge advantage, especially mixed with last activation..

You must not face a lot of opposition that bids under or player for first.

As nice as first player is, it is easy enough to counter. If you are running an AkbarBB you won't had too many ships. Or that great of a bid if you go with TRC90's.

Haven played against your list style, MattShadowlord's and Ginkapo's lists each has its strengths but each has its place. Take first away from Ginkapo or you and it becomes easy to take down. Of you can't get first, catch a couple of ships and force a kill next turn.

I must not bid under the player for first lol. Sure.

I'm not understanding what you're saying with your second sentence there; are you saying that TRC90s runs smaller bids or a desire not to bid first? And the last sentence, Haven't or having?

Also, having been underbid before by some player running an insane 379 bid in my second store champs last season, I just deployed my TRC90 so it jammed up his most important ship while my MC80 got to shoot once it gets into range. As you said, you can play around it, but it doesn't soften up the fact that having first shot/first move offers a ton to maximize certain lists' potential.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Well, take a look at what you just said here:

Why do you think he wants first player with Ackbar shrimps?

At the same time, if you're dropping 3 Guppies with a ton of a hull and a certain strategy that does not involve threat position, then the need to go first becomes more watered down.

Or in my case and my AckbarBB, I absolutely do want first because of the huge damage potential a slash can deliver while being able to re-position because of Engine Techs. However, when GK said that all Admirals want to be first, I don't disagree with that statement. I think 9/10, regardless of who is picked, going first offers a huge advantage, especially mixed with last activation..

You must not face a lot of opposition that bids under or player for first.

As nice as first player is, it is easy enough to counter. If you are running an AkbarBB you won't had too many ships. Or that great of a bid if you go with TRC90's.

Haven played against your list style, MattShadowlord's and Ginkapo's lists each has its strengths but each has its place. Take first away from Ginkapo or you and it becomes easy to take down. Of you can't get first, catch a couple of ships and force a kill next turn.

I must not bid under the player for first lol. Sure.

I'm not understanding what you're saying with your second sentence there; are you saying that TRC90s runs smaller bids or a desire not to bid first? And the last sentence, Haven't or having?

Also, having been underbid before by some player running an insane 379 bid in my second store champs last season, I just deployed my TRC90 so it jammed up his most important ship while my MC80 got to shoot once it gets into range. As you said, you can play around it, but it doesn't soften up the fact that having first shot/first move offers a ton to maximize certain lists' potential.

Such a pointless act. Enjoy your own private world.

Ackbar wants first, like they all do.

Only objectives, list building and tactics can make 2nd player good. Not admirals.

How true and sad at the same time.

I still say you are all wrong. Being on both sides, Ackbar is dangerous as either first or second

Spot on! Perfect examples of this are Ginkapo, who is aggressive with his Acbar shrimps as first player...and Matt Shadowlord, who plays his Acbar triple guppies to perfection as second player.

Well, take a look at what you just said here:

Why do you think he wants first player with Ackbar shrimps?

At the same time, if you're dropping 3 Guppies with a ton of a hull and a certain strategy that does not involve threat position, then the need to go first becomes more watered down.

Or in my case and my AckbarBB, I absolutely do want first because of the huge damage potential a slash can deliver while being able to re-position because of Engine Techs. However, when GK said that all Admirals want to be first, I don't disagree with that statement. I think 9/10, regardless of who is picked, going first offers a huge advantage, especially mixed with last activation..

You must not face a lot of opposition that bids under or player for first.

As nice as first player is, it is easy enough to counter. If you are running an AkbarBB you won't had too many ships. Or that great of a bid if you go with TRC90's.

Haven played against your list style, MattShadowlord's and Ginkapo's lists each has its strengths but each has its place. Take first away from Ginkapo or you and it becomes easy to take down. Of you can't get first, catch a couple of ships and force a kill next turn.

I must not bid under the player for first lol. Sure.

I'm not understanding what you're saying with your second sentence there; are you saying that TRC90s runs smaller bids or a desire not to bid first? And the last sentence, Haven't or having?

Also, having been underbid before by some player running an insane 379 bid in my second store champs last season, I just deployed my TRC90 so it jammed up his most important ship while my MC80 got to shoot once it gets into range. As you said, you can play around it, but it doesn't soften up the fact that having first shot/first move offers a ton to maximize certain lists' potential.

Such a pointless act. Enjoy your own private world.

What does this even mean? Another emotional and hollow statement by the Ly. GJ dude, making yourself look greater every day