FYI, you can't be a pillar of the community without a community. I did my share to build it up, but it's moving way too slow for me to invest time, energy and money.

The NorCal and SoCal regions are actually one of the biggest and most active FFG-loving communities in the world. It was somewhere on the X-Wing forum that someone did a comparison and the areas that are within driving distance and the numbers across America and Europe on X-Wing list juggler and the numbers are truly astounding. Therefore, your analysis when comparing your area vs. my area is a completely moot point, especially when population is considered.

I don't need you to defend me on BoLS, lol where did this even come from? I write opinionated pieces on there, just like I do on my blog. It's also my opinion that you have FFG's **** so far down your throat you can't even choke up the raw numbers of X-Wing players vs. Armada. You can, like cactusman, provide some raw numbers instead of Wave releases. You know, metrics that actually matter, like player gain over time, or player retention over waves, or # of participants in store tournaments over time.

The only numbers that can I provide is that in both NorCal and SoCal, including Arizona and Nevada, have ~6:1 the amount of X-Wing events vs. Armada, 4:1 during Store Championship season, 6:1 the number of average participants (in the last couple of stores, we saw an average of ~10 player show whereas X-Wing was 60+), and the numbers keep growing (I have metrics on all our FB pages as well as locale store pages). My friends on the East Coast are reporting similar numbers, with one Store Champ having to be canceled because 2 players showed for Armada, whereas 45 showed for X-Wing.

I like this game, I really do, but to say this game has more going for it than X-Wing every release is just horseshit on fire. The numbers don't lie. You keep saying that I don't understand, but I honestly, the more you type, the more public it becomes that you are the one who's truly lost/confused/brainwashed/something.

Oh HERO. It was nice for a time while you were here. I am sad to see you go. I am sorry that you are having issues but alas I no longer care. You care not for facts, you care not to invest the time to build a community. Enjoy your games and may the dice gods always favor you.

Also, a Rogue X-Wing minus export is only one more point than a regular one!

Yeah, but gives up escort to do it.

Also, a Rogue X-Wing minus export is only one more point than a regular one!

Yeah, but gives up escort to do it.

I think that is a great thing. Running it with some YT-1300's I can use them to screen while Jan provides intel and I can use Rogue Squadron to jump out and snipe where I need to.

HERO- just trying to figure out your point. Are you saying FFG isn't doing a good job because they aren't supporting Armada as well right now as they do xwing right now (fewer releases) or that they aren't doing a good job because there aren't enough players? Can you give me a brief explanation of what you are upset about?

Thanks!

Also, a Rogue X-Wing minus export is only one more point than a regular one!

Yeah, but gives up escort to do it.

I think that is a great thing. Running it with some YT-1300's I can use them to screen while Jan provides intel and I can use Rogue Squadron to jump out and snipe where I need to.

I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, I dig it. I like that I can have regular escort X-Wings with my non-escort rogue one. Finally an X-Wing that doesn't have to die first!

I understand the point HERO is trying to bring with numbers and all the fact that is bringing but one thing is sure for me, X-Wing and Armada have the same "Origin" but that where it's finish. Stop trying to make comparaison, like it was already said in this tread, you try to compared two thing's that are different in so many aspect just because the came from the same place. The commitment to play a game of Armada is't the same that for X-Wing. We prefer the complexity for the strategy and the tactics and the time shreader (2-3 hours) versus a good tactic game that you can run in 30-45 minutes.

Different fun... that's it! If you love both, play both and enjoy it

<sarcasm> Yup, Armada is getting table scraps compared to XWing. All we get around here is a campaign against factions, with content that works both casually and for the tournament people. The XWing community hasn't wanted that and certainly aren't wishing for it right now. And it's too bad we don't have any announced ships on top of that... </sarcasm>

XWing and Armada aren't the same game, nor do they 100% overlap in their potential player base. XWing has been the hotness for FFG (along with Netrunner, for those keeping track) for the last few years - OF COURSE they have more interested people right now compared to Armada. FFG is not a charity - if they aren't happy with the revenue or profit from a product line, they'll start cancelling products.

Wtf is going on in this thread? Some thoughts;

1. I don't understand why we should care what is going on with X-Wing compared to Armada, provided Armada is both still fun to play and is continuing to be supported.

2. X-Wing is always going to have the wider playerbase, because it is simply a more accessible game. There are more people who I can get to sit down to play a game of Settlers then either, and I feel like thats just as relevant of a stupid ass comment to make on an Armada board. Armada appeals to a smaller niche of the gamer demographic, which is fine. As someone who has been to plenty of gaming events in my life, I appreciate the amount of people who actually shower I find at Armada events. Its been a pleasant change of pace.

3. The fact there are people bemoaning the "lack of support" Armada gets given the releases announced over the past two months is excellent proof that you cannot please everyone. I'm on these boards all the time and they've given us pretty much all the most requested toys. And for the folks complaining about fighter upgrades only in the campaign box, take heart that there was no squadron pack for you to buy in waves 3/4.

4. Telling people to build their community is silly. I'm pretty sure we all have jobs. We don't need a second one nobody is paying us for. The people who make the money are in charge of getting the community hyped. Not being able to find a game is a legitimate concern if one is frequenting gaming stores. I haven't been able to find a game of "Give Mad A Million Bucks" yet and its really making it hard to have faith it will ever be supported. But I'm gonna hang in cuz I'm sure if I can just find one other player it will be worth the wait.

5. Waves 3 and 4 are seperate waves. Close proximity does not make them the same thing. For example, my right and left testicles are distinctly different despite being right the **** next to each other. One is where I get my courage, the other does most of my thinking. Neither have worked in some time. Actually you know what, maybe it is one wave.

I do understand some of the wave frustration, I just think it is fruitless to complain. It's clear to me that there were production/shipping issues with some of FFG's product, and they probably wanted to make sure X-Wing got all of their stuff because it is easier to ship/easier to stock/has a larger player base due to being a quicker game and from being older. It sucks, but FFG is a business and had to make a hard choice (anyone who has ever played with an AFmkII and had an exhausted brace and an exhausted redirect knows what I mean by hard choices) and made their decision based on what would make the most bang for their buck, so to speak. I highly doubt the powers at be at FFG are like muahahahahah! Let's release this Armada game, and then only support it slowly! To make the players angry!

It seems, at least from the most recent good news, that their production/distribution/shipping issues have been resolved, and we are probably going to see a more regular stream of product. I could be wrong, but it seems that way to me, and there are still so many ships to explore. So while I understand previous frustration, I just don't get why people are frustrated NOW, when we've received the most amount of cool news ever.

In before anyone says "Of course you're happy Cal, they are about to send you a whole truckload of loot"

I understand the point HERO is trying to bring with numbers and all the fact that is bringing but one thing is sure for me, X-Wing and Armada have the same "Origin" but that where it's finish. Stop trying to make comparaison, like it was already said in this tread, you try to compared two thing's that are different in so many aspect just because the came from the same place. The commitment to play a game of Armada is't the same that for X-Wing. We prefer the complexity for the strategy and the tactics and the time shreader (2-3 hours) versus a good tactic game that you can run in 30-45 minutes.

Different fun... that's it! If you love both, play both and enjoy it

<sarcasm> Yup, Armada is getting table scraps compared to XWing. All we get around here is a campaign against factions, with content that works both casually and for the tournament people. The XWing community hasn't wanted that and certainly aren't wishing for it right now. And it's too bad we don't have any announced ships on top of that... </sarcasm>

XWing and Armada aren't the same game, nor do they 100% overlap in their potential player base. XWing has been the hotness for FFG (along with Netrunner, for those keeping track) for the last few years - OF COURSE they have more interested people right now compared to Armada. FFG is not a charity - if they aren't happy with the revenue or profit from a product line, they'll start cancelling products.

Wtf is going on in this thread? Some thoughts;

1. I don't understand why we should care what is going on with X-Wing compared to Armada, provided Armada is both still fun to play and is continuing to be supported.

2. X-Wing is always going to have the wider playerbase, because it is simply a more accessible game. There are more people who I can get to sit down to play a game of Settlers then either, and I feel like thats just as relevant of a stupid ass comment to make on an Armada board. Armada appeals to a smaller niche of the gamer demographic, which is fine. As someone who has been to plenty of gaming events in my life, I appreciate the amount of people who actually shower I find at Armada events. Its been a pleasant change of pace.

3. The fact there are people bemoaning the "lack of support" Armada gets given the releases announced over the past two months is excellent proof that you cannot please everyone. I'm on these boards all the time and they've given us pretty much all the most requested toys. And for the folks complaining about fighter upgrades only in the campaign box, take heart that there was no squadron pack for you to buy in waves 3/4.

4. Telling people to build their community is silly. I'm pretty sure we all have jobs. We don't need a second one nobody is paying us for. The people who make the money are in charge of getting the community hyped. Not being able to find a game is a legitimate concern if one is frequenting gaming stores. I haven't been able to find a game of "Give Mad A Million Bucks" yet and its really making it hard to have faith it will ever be supported. But I'm gonna hang in cuz I'm sure if I can just find one other player it will be worth the wait.

5. Waves 3 and 4 are seperate waves. Close proximity does not make them the same thing. For example, my right and left testicles are distinctly different despite being right the **** next to each other. One is where I get my courage, the other does most of my thinking. Neither have worked in some time. Actually you know what, maybe it is one wave.

I agree with all of you. Like i said prior, grapes to watermelons.

Armada is there for those gamers who want an indepth, high tactical game. These are usually 40k, Warmachine, Dropzone Commander, etc. X-WIng has a bigger draw because it is a faster game and there is already a large community established.

I don't know how many times I have pitched Armada but have had people go, "but my friends play X-Wing". That happens to me more than people bemoaning the core set's price. That is fine, out of the dozen or so X-WIng players I have taught the game to many have bought into Armada. Seems like an overall win to me.

I do understand some of the wave frustration, I just think it is fruitless to complain. It's clear to me that there were production/shipping issues with some of FFG's product, and they probably wanted to make sure X-Wing got all of their stuff because it is easier to ship/easier to stock/has a larger player base due to being a quicker game and from being older. It sucks, but FFG is a business and had to make a hard choice (anyone who has ever played with an AFmkII and had an exhausted brace and an exhausted redirect knows what I mean by hard choices) and made their decision based on what would make the most bang for their buck, so to speak. I highly doubt the powers at be at FFG are like muahahahahah! Let's release this Armada game, and then only support it slowly! To make the players angry!

It seems, at least from the most recent good news, that their production/distribution/shipping issues have been resolved, and we are probably going to see a more regular stream of product. I could be wrong, but it seems that way to me, and there are still so many ships to explore. So while I understand previous frustration, I just don't get why people are frustrated NOW, when we've received the most amount of cool news ever.

See, I don't understand the issue. We have more product than X-WIng did in the same span of life. Of course they are not going to release 7 waves to catch us up to X-Wing, that would be irresponsible of them and kill their game all that the same time.

I am with Madaghmire on this. . . of course you're happy lucky dog. . .

Did FFG ever do a contest like that for X-Wing?

I do understand some of the wave frustration, I just think it is fruitless to complain. It's clear to me that there were production/shipping issues with some of FFG's product, and they probably wanted to make sure X-Wing got all of their stuff because it is easier to ship/easier to stock/has a larger player base due to being a quicker game and from being older. It sucks, but FFG is a business and had to make a hard choice (anyone who has ever played with an AFmkII and had an exhausted brace and an exhausted redirect knows what I mean by hard choices) and made their decision based on what would make the most bang for their buck, so to speak. I highly doubt the powers at be at FFG are like muahahahahah! Let's release this Armada game, and then only support it slowly! To make the players angry!

It seems, at least from the most recent good news, that their production/distribution/shipping issues have been resolved, and we are probably going to see a more regular stream of product. I could be wrong, but it seems that way to me, and there are still so many ships to explore. So while I understand previous frustration, I just don't get why people are frustrated NOW, when we've received the most amount of cool news ever.

See, I don't understand the issue. We have more product than X-WIng did in the same span of life. Of course they are not going to release 7 waves to catch us up to X-Wing, that would be irresponsible of them and kill their game all that the same time.

I am with Madaghmire on this. . . of course you're happy lucky dog. . .

Did FFG ever do a contest like that for X-Wing?

I am incredibly lucky, for sure. I guess what I mean is, I get why people (note: I am not one of these people. I started playing at the end of Wave I and therefore haven't had to wait as long as some) are annoyed at the release schedule, as X-Wing's stuff came out much faster than Armada, but this, I am sure, was due to things outside of FFG's control. I just think complaining now is stupid now that those issues appear to be resolved.

I personally couldn't be happier with this game and am so jazzed to be playing it. I've waited forever for a game that scratches that capital ship fighting itch and this is certainly it.

I do understand some of the wave frustration, I just think it is fruitless to complain. It's clear to me that there were production/shipping issues with some of FFG's product, and they probably wanted to make sure X-Wing got all of their stuff because it is easier to ship/easier to stock/has a larger player base due to being a quicker game and from being older. It sucks, but FFG is a business and had to make a hard choice (anyone who has ever played with an AFmkII and had an exhausted brace and an exhausted redirect knows what I mean by hard choices) and made their decision based on what would make the most bang for their buck, so to speak. I highly doubt the powers at be at FFG are like muahahahahah! Let's release this Armada game, and then only support it slowly! To make the players angry!

It seems, at least from the most recent good news, that their production/distribution/shipping issues have been resolved, and we are probably going to see a more regular stream of product. I could be wrong, but it seems that way to me, and there are still so many ships to explore. So while I understand previous frustration, I just don't get why people are frustrated NOW, when we've received the most amount of cool news ever.

See, I don't understand the issue. We have more product than X-WIng did in the same span of life. Of course they are not going to release 7 waves to catch us up to X-Wing, that would be irresponsible of them and kill their game all that the same time.

I am with Madaghmire on this. . . of course you're happy lucky dog. . .

Did FFG ever do a contest like that for X-Wing?

I am incredibly lucky, for sure. I guess what I mean is, I get why people (note: I am not one of these people. I started playing at the end of Wave I and therefore haven't had to wait as long as some) are annoyed at the release schedule, as X-Wing's stuff came out much faster than Armada, but this, I am sure, was due to things outside of FFG's control. I just think complaining now is stupid now that those issues appear to be resolved.

I personally couldn't be happier with this game and am so jazzed to be playing it. I've waited forever for a game that scratches that capital ship fighting itch and this is certainly it.

X-Wing stuff did not come out faster. . . at the time for where X-Wing was it came out faster but in the beginning it was slower than armada was. The BIGGEST differnce was that they were able to do wave 1 and the core at the same time while Armada had dock issues.

I am ridiculously excited for this. Almost as much as I am for the Interdictor.

I had literally been pondering my desire for an official campaign framework mere hours before I learned that this was in production. As one who is taking baby steps in to Heroes of the Arturi Cluster for X-Wing, I hope it means we'll see more official campaign content for both games.

In fact, I really wish FFG would work with HAC's authors for an official release.

Ask me if I can wait a little bit to have more stuff from the best game I had ever play?

Yes, for sure!!! I understand all the mechanisme that FFG put to give us the best cutomer experience possible. I'm from the old school who is able to wait for it's birthday or Christmas to have a present! (maybe that's the biggiest issue here for some persons)

If you are giving everything to quickly, the price tag will be present and the interest in the product will not being keep for long. So for me, no problem with the way FFG is planing is way with Armada.

And the Campaign, just wonderfull at the rigth time

Keep the good work!

Totally fine with the release schedule. I am older than most here and am not use to seeing releases every quarter like magic gets. (Hell when Magic Started the release schedule would have made most here quit the second year because nothing new came out.) And when X-Wing started it's release schedule was not only not faster but there were delays, I know I was playing it.

So I have to ask why people think that this game that has been out for 1 year and 3 months should have a more aggressive release schedule especially since we got just about 90% of the known Capital Ships from the canon out by the end of wave 4? I would love to see more Admirals and Captians of course but as for Ships we have almost hit the whole fleet from the Empire and the Rebels have more variations but all the most well known are represented. Now we can talk about the EU but I think FFG is going to wait for ships to slowly become canon before releasing them because Disney is making good on their promise to bring back Some EU elements from here on out, but we will have to wait. But until then you have almost every ship from the Canon during this time period.

And again, the game has only been out for One Year and Three Months, it's still very very new by industry standards and to have it selling so well in such a short time is amazing. Give FFG some massive credit there.

Totally fine with the release schedule. I am older than most here and am not use to seeing releases every quarter like magic gets. (Hell when Magic Started the release schedule would have made most here quit the second year because nothing new came out.) And when X-Wing started it's release schedule was not only not faster but there were delays, I know I was playing it.

So I have to ask why people think that this game that has been out for 1 year and 3 months should have a more aggressive release schedule especially since we got just about 90% of the known Capital Ships from the canon out by the end of wave 4? I would love to see more Admirals and Captians of course but as for Ships we have almost hit the whole fleet from the Empire and the Rebels have more variations but all the most well known are represented. Now we can talk about the EU but I think FFG is going to wait for ships to slowly become canon before releasing them because Disney is making good on their promise to bring back Some EU elements from here on out, but we will have to wait. But until then you have almost every ship from the Canon during this time period.

And again, the game has only been out for One Year and Three Months, it's still very very new by industry standards and to have it selling so well in such a short time is amazing. Give FFG some massive credit there.

HERO- just trying to figure out your point. Are you saying FFG isn't doing a good job because they aren't supporting Armada as well right now as they do xwing right now (fewer releases) or that they aren't doing a good job because there aren't enough players? Can you give me a brief explanation of what you are upset about?

Thanks!

I think when you look at the raw numbers and metrics of a game like X-Wing vs. Armada, the signs are not very promising from a business need perspective. I work in data and metrics all the time and when I see these trends, it's very worrisome. If the supply and demand of the playerbase for a game is much larger than another while pulling from the relative playerpool e.g. people interested in Star Wars, this can result in one product cannibalizing the other in terms of resources (from a business perspective). There's actual proof in that both games share the same playerbase, as even Lyraeous will tell you that most players either stay, or leave for X-Wing, both all share the same crowd of predominately fans interested in the Star Wars franchise.

I just see worrying trends, and it gets more worrisome when the velocity of product releases for X-Wing increases whereas the scope of the overall release for Armada it not nearly as impressive. When Wave 2 came out, I was not nearly as doom and gloom because the data that I needed to be worried about wasn't quite there. The product was still relatively fresh and I was still very much empathetic for FFG's business model. However, this year, I'm not as thrilled first because of "Wave 3" loljoke.jpg, and now Wave 4, which should actually just be called Wave 3. Overall, just not very happy with how FFG's business strategy with X-Wing. If I was them, I'd be riding the franchise hype train as hard as I can because the next couple of years are literally loaded with SW movies.

X- Wing:

Core set released Sept. 4th, 2012

Wave 1 released Sept 14th 2012

Wave 2 released Feb 28 2013

Wave 3 released Sept 13 2013

Armada:

Core set released March 27 2015

Wave 1 released May 15 2015

Wave 2 released November 26 2015

Wave 3 tentatively August 2016

To say that X-Wing stuff didn't come out faster is wrong. I myself have no issue with Armada's release schedule, but X-Wing stuff did come out faster, so I can empathize with some of the folks who had issues earlier as they probably (unreasonably or not) expected a similar release schedule. I don't agree, but I can understand their feelings.

X- Wing:

Core set released Sept. 4th, 2012

Wave 1 released Sept 14th 2012

Wave 2 released Feb 28 2013

Wave 3 released Sept 13 2013

Armada:

Core set released March 27 2015

Wave 1 released May 15 2015

Wave 2 released November 26 2015

Wave 3 tentatively August 2016

To say that X-Wing stuff didn't come out faster is wrong. I myself have no issue with Armada's release schedule, but X-Wing stuff did come out faster, so I can empathize with some of the folks who had issues earlier as they probably (unreasonably or not) expected a similar release schedule. I don't agree, but I can understand their feelings.

If people feel hard done by, it's because in Armada, waves 1 and 2 brought loads of new stuff, and waves 3 and 4 are smaller, where X wing was more spaced out. I think it more likely that people just expect more from Armada because they forget that X wing is now a highly developed game. But to say that X wing grew quicker in terms of content, or that Armada isn't getting comparable treatment, just ignores the facts of the matter.

X- Wing:

Core set released Sept. 4th, 2012

Wave 1 released Sept 14th 2012

Wave 2 released Feb 28 2013

Wave 3 released Sept 13 2013

Armada:

Core set released March 27 2015

Wave 1 released May 15 2015

Wave 2 released November 26 2015

Wave 3 tentatively August 2016

To say that X-Wing stuff didn't come out faster is wrong. I myself have no issue with Armada's release schedule, but X-Wing stuff did come out faster, so I can empathize with some of the folks who had issues earlier as they probably (unreasonably or not) expected a similar release schedule. I don't agree, but I can understand their feelings.

Sure it came out faster but in far less overall product, less diversity, and less flexibility.

X-Wing released like it plays, fast paced and not very memorable thus why many people forget and think it was far more than it really was.

In X-Wing waves Core to 3 there are a total of what, 13 SKU's while Armada has 14 by wave 3.

Oh, look at wave 4. That was almost a whole year later in June 2014. We are likely to get our 4th wave before then AND no need for a fixer expansion like Imperial/Rebel Aces.

I say Armada is off to a great start.

HERO- just trying to figure out your point. Are you saying FFG isn't doing a good job because they aren't supporting Armada as well right now as they do xwing right now (fewer releases) or that they aren't doing a good job because there aren't enough players? Can you give me a brief explanation of what you are upset about?

Thanks!

I think when you look at the raw numbers and metrics of a game like X-Wing vs. Armada, the signs are not very promising from a business need perspective. I work in data and metrics all the time and when I see these trends, it's very worrisome. If the supply and demand of the playerbase for a game is much larger than another while pulling from the relative playerpool e.g. people interested in Star Wars, this can result in one product cannibalizing the other in terms of resources (from a business perspective). There's actual proof in that both games share the same playerbase, as even Lyraeous will tell you that most players either stay, or leave for X-Wing, both all share the same crowd of predominately fans interested in the Star Wars franchise.

I just see worrying trends, and it gets more worrisome when the velocity of product releases for X-Wing increases whereas the scope of the overall release for Armada it not nearly as impressive. When Wave 2 came out, I was not nearly as doom and gloom because the data that I needed to be worried about wasn't quite there. The product was still relatively fresh and I was still very much empathetic for FFG's business model. However, this year, I'm not as thrilled first because of "Wave 3" loljoke.jpg, and now Wave 4, which should actually just be called Wave 3. Overall, just not very happy with how FFG's business strategy with X-Wing. If I was them, I'd be riding the franchise hype train as hard as I can because the next couple of years are literally loaded with SW movies.

There are far more converts to Armada from X-Wing than the other way around. It does occur but it is rare. The UK is the worst thigh with this. They are so hardcore X-Wing that they go crazy over there (slight exaggeration).

I still say you are wrong HERO. The number of products released for Armada is more than X-Wing at the same point. You are choosing to ignore the numbers.

Don't ignore those Flotillas. They are making waves in the Vassal tournament.

Let's see how many attend GenCon this year. I believe 96 was their number last year so we shall see.

HERO, set up SE events. Mikemcmann (where did he run off to. . . Is he going to pillage hothagry?) set up a HUGE event in February so why don't you do something like that? If you are so passionate about Armada you can try every available avenue.

I have faith in you. Be a pillar and have less doom and gloom.

X- Wing:

Core set released Sept. 4th, 2012

Wave 1 released Sept 14th 2012

Wave 2 released Feb 28 2013

Wave 3 released Sept 13 2013

Armada:

Core set released March 27 2015

Wave 1 released May 15 2015

Wave 2 released November 26 2015

Wave 3 tentatively August 2016

To say that X-Wing stuff didn't come out faster is wrong. I myself have no issue with Armada's release schedule, but X-Wing stuff did come out faster, so I can empathize with some of the folks who had issues earlier as they probably (unreasonably or not) expected a similar release schedule. I don't agree, but I can understand their feelings.

Sure it came out faster but in far less overall product, less diversity, and less flexibility.

X-Wing released like it plays, fast paced and not very memorable thus why many people forget and think it was far more than it really was.

In X-Wing waves Core to 3 there are a total of what, 13 SKU's while Armada has 14 by wave 3.

Oh, look at wave 4. That was almost a whole year later in June 2014. We are likely to get our 4th wave before then AND no need for a fixer expansion like Imperial/Rebel Aces.

I say Armada is off to a great start.

Our fourth wave is clearly the other part for our third wave. but I agree, the schedule is fine, and Armada is off to a fantastic start..

X- Wing:

Core set released Sept. 4th, 2012

Wave 1 released Sept 14th 2012

Wave 2 released Feb 28 2013

Wave 3 released Sept 13 2013

Armada:

Core set released March 27 2015

Wave 1 released May 15 2015

Wave 2 released November 26 2015

Wave 3 tentatively August 2016

To say that X-Wing stuff didn't come out faster is wrong. I myself have no issue with Armada's release schedule, but X-Wing stuff did come out faster, so I can empathize with some of the folks who had issues earlier as they probably (unreasonably or not) expected a similar release schedule. I don't agree, but I can understand their feelings.

Sure it came out faster but in far less overall product, less diversity, and less flexibility.

X-Wing released like it plays, fast paced and not very memorable thus why many people forget and think it was far more than it really was.

In X-Wing waves Core to 3 there are a total of what, 13 SKU's while Armada has 14 by wave 3.

Oh, look at wave 4. That was almost a whole year later in June 2014. We are likely to get our 4th wave before then AND no need for a fixer expansion like Imperial/Rebel Aces.

I say Armada is off to a great start.

Our fourth wave is clearly the other part for our third wave. but I agree, the schedule is fine, and Armada is off to a fantastic start..

If that had been the case, then we'd have had the same amount of content in 15 months and three waves as X wing got in 21 months and four waves. So, as pointed out, whether wave 3/4 were meant to be one wave is irrelevant; we're still matching x wing blow for blow on products, and beating them on speed of release.

It's probably just that no-one expected as much of Xwing at that point, because no-one had anything to compare it to.