Should the Aggressor be a small base ship?

By AdamGATX105, in X-Wing

K-wing is bigger? :blink:

I think there is way more plastic in the Aggressor model than the K-wing. The 'wingspan' is longer on the K... that's all.

Sensor Jammer on Ig's make them slippery as hell. In a recent team tourney, I kept my IG unscathed (no half-points and not destroyed) while my partner's IG was destroyed once and half points in another match.

In a juked IG88C a boost give you relocation, speed, reach, bonus to defense, bonus to offense. I hardly see it "frustrating". Way better than the TIE/V1 title of a prototype.

Without juke you could still think about the better action, a boost for relocation and/or defense, or a focus/target lock for offense.

It's frustrating because it locks you into taking specific actions, which makes you more vulnerable to stress and makes you significantly more predictable. The huge difference between IG-88C and TIE/V1 is that the latter gives you a boost to both offense AND defense at the same time (while also having combo potential). If you're boosting to get an evade every turn for Juke, then you're NEVER going to have a focused attack (unless Glitterstim etc.) and Target Locks will also be hard to come by. You're talking to a guy who's username is "ficklegreendice." You think someone as mistrusting of dice as him is going to feel comfortable rolling unmodifed attack dice the majority of the time? No. Juke would limit your freedom too much on an Aggressor. That's why Predator is so much cooler.

Edited by f0rbiddenc00kie

There's also no point

You'd be making the hwk, punisher, k and ARC bigger targets for no real gain

well, actually K and Punisher deserve a 1x2 base >_>

bt it's an imbalanced base because it has the benefit of large (broader arc) but not it's problem (longer butt that makes you flanked easier)

Kwing definitely has a wider wingspan but that means nothing.

The U-2 has a wingspan of over 100ft. It takes the space of two F15's to park it. But the fuselage (the airplane itself) is narrow as hell and believe me speaking as a former Avionics tech for that plane that cockpit is TIGHT to sit in lol. And its light enough to shove on your own (i am not joking...you can bounce that thing with 1 arm if its not loaded to the brim in fuel)

F-15 is still heavier by a large margin and they have a similar length from nose to engine.

Aggressors have a bit wider body and longer as well, since the little nose-spikes are hard to consider part of the ship's hull lol.

As has been mentioned, I also feel FFG missed out on an opportunity to introduce medium sized bases with the Aggressor or maybe even the Hwk or Firespray. Even if it doesn't add a ton to the ships that would fit in that size range, it would help keep my brain from itching every time I see a large base ship that seems too small for its base or a small base ship which seems too large for its base.

Yep.....hey look, there's water under the bridge.

Of course the biggest issue they have with being large base is the half-points ruling. In this day and age it does't seem that hard to strip the shields off one.

Yeah, that really should key off value, not base size. No, a lothal rebel is not a better point fortress than soontir.

Imagine this. In an alternate universe there is a ship. It is known as the Aggressor. And it made it into Xwing as a small base ship. Now the TIE/fo is released. And it happens to have a card called 'juke'. Which is a small base only upgrade. Now we have to deal with the HLC, FCS, Autothrusting, nonsense that is the small base IG.

Imagine this. In an alternate universe there is a ship. It is known as the Aggressor. And it made it into Xwing as a small base ship. Now the TIE/fo is released. And it happens to have a card called 'juke'. Which is a small base only upgrade. Now we have to deal with the HLC, FCS, Autothrusting, nonsense that is the small base IG.

Nah because it wouldn't have the big ship discount it'd be over 40 points base.

Aggressor is one of the best ships in the whole game, an even more manoeuvrable IG88C with access to Juke...

Is actually not that good

Juke without action independent means of evading (still gotta boost for C) is surprisingly just frustrating and underwhelming to use

The advantage of the small base would be that they'd give about 25℅ as much of a **** about obstacles and blockers as they do now

In a juked IG88C a boost give you relocation, speed, reach, bonus to defense, bonus to offense. I hardly see it "frustrating". Way better than the TIE/V1 title of a prototype.

Without juke you could still think about the better action, a boost for relocation and/or defense, or a focus/target lock for offense.

If it doesn't seem frustrating, you haven't played juke

Eating evades to enable it means you're not performing an offensive action

It also means that no action = no juke

All those swanky segnors? Yeah, no juke

No, there are two ships in the game that show you how juke is really done

These are the x7 defender and the Comm Relay FO

Though the FO isn't good because it's 22 points for two reds, Omega Leader (and Zeta to a lesser extent) overcome this limitation to make it awesome

I disagree with this, as it overlooks the other important thing about Juke: forcing your opponent to burn focus tokens, or bank them in the event of being juked.

In the case of IG-88, it's not only the Juke that will get you. It's that Juke would be backed by a 4-dice Heavy Laser Cannon and a built-in Gunner ability, likely with FCS, and the Aggressor pilot would be able to modify your defense dice with both attacks unless you force them to spend that evade token.

Edited by PhantomFO

I still say there should have been a third base size: Medium. Make it half way between a Small and Large ship base. It could have been used for the HWK-290 (which should really be a bigger model than it is, IIRC), Aggressor, K-Wing, Punisher, ARC-170, and maybe the MistHunter. Unfortunately, it's far too late to implement this idea now.

And ... truescale Firesprays ...

+1 to this.

Plus, the half-base increment could shake up the whole rule of 11.

Firespray's 21.5m long - doesn't the model fit with being in the same scale with the rest of the models?

Imagine this. In an alternate universe there is a ship. It is known as the Aggressor. And it made it into Xwing as a small base ship. Now the TIE/fo is released. And it happens to have a card called 'juke'. Which is a small base only upgrade. Now we have to deal with the HLC, FCS, Autothrusting, nonsense that is the small base IG.

PS6

You DO realize that PS6 is below the average? And that it's not infinite crackshot like it's on El Presidente?

No. The Aggressor should not be on a small base. It only seems smaller than a K-Wing if you factor in the wings on the K-Wing to crush that comparison.

Now you have a much better argument saying there should be a "medium" base size between the small and the large. The Aggressor, K-Wing, and a number of other ships would/should be using that instead but when it wasn't introduced at the appropriate time we can say that ship has sailed.

If it came to a medium base there would also be questions about how big it should be. "Between the small and large" is pretty simple but is that sided half way between them or should it have an area that is halfway between them? I'd say you should double the area of a small base and halve the area of the large base assuming a large is x4 the area of the small; this makes the sides a bit longer than on a small but doubling the base area still makes it harder to maneuver. The other argument is to make the base 1.5 moves long instead of 1 or 2 which keeps maneuvers somewhat close although it does make the base area an odd number. In either case it would be pretty much impossible to fly a medium base in any kind of formation with either larger or small bases which may be why we never say it.

Didn't the Senators shuttle in the original Core kinda set a precedent for a possible medium-base [at least, length-wise]...which has conveniently been ignored/forgotten ever since ??? :unsure:

There was a shuttle in the core? Whatever for.

There was a shuttle in the core? Whatever for.

Cardboard token for a mission

There was a shuttle in the core? Whatever for.

Cardboard token for a mission

Mis...sion? Quite talking gibberish man.

also try to remember that the large base ships are a slightly different scale

also try to remember that the large base ships are a slightly different scale

nope, they are mostly GROSSLY OUT of scale

it;s the Huges that have different scale. Larges are simply DERP-scale