I have a feeling that no legends species will be included since Disney is running the show, which sucks since that means I won't get the Sith or any of the plethora of Lizardy species, Trandoshans are nice but I want more. Now if Disney makes more species canon then they might have a chance of appearing.

Well we've got Elom and Elomin showing up in Forged in Battle; pretty sure those are still Legends-only?

Legends did not mean purged from this plane of existence. It was about story continuity. They always said we'd likely see familiar names but shouldn't count on the backstory to remain the same.

I was specifically referring to "no more Legends species". I was (apparently mistakenly) under the impression that Elom and Elomin were Legends-only.

I, and they, never claimed everything/one would be back.

Nobody ever required anyone to do anything.

My point, that you missed, again, the name of Darth Bane is meaningless without his story. His story is great, and brings reasoning to the Rule of Two. It shows what made it needed and what it was before.

Without Darth Bane's story, making his NAME canon is as useful as making MY name canon. It has zero weight and is rude to the fans. It would be equivalent if they added Thrawn as a Storm Trooper, rather than Grand Admiral. In the little bit of clips for next season, they not only made his NAME canon, but they made his CHARACTER canon with all the back story (except Outbound Flight) canon in one fell swoop.

In other words, a rose may be a rose, but calling a dandelion a rose does not make a dandelion pretty.

Back on topic , I am excited about the new Adventure and hope it is amazing. =)

***shrugs***

I, and they, never claimed everything/one would be back.

Nobody ever required anyone to do anything.

My point, that you missed, again, the name of Darth Bane is meaningless without his story. His story is great, and brings reasoning to the Rule of Two. It shows what made it needed and what it was before.

Without Darth Bane's story, making his NAME canon is as useful as making MY name canon. It has zero weight and is rude to the fans. It would be equivalent if they added Thrawn as a Storm Trooper, rather than Grand Admiral. In the little bit of clips for next season, they not only made his NAME canon, but they made his CHARACTER canon with all the back story (except Outbound Flight) canon in one fell swoop.

In other words, a rose may be a rose, but calling a dandelion a rose does not make a dandelion pretty.

Back on topic , I am excited about the new Adventure and hope it is amazing. =)

However, in using his name, they did not, near as I recall, contradict his story. I find it hard to believe that they wouldn't have used the name without expecting it to invoke what some know of the story behind it. With his story being separated from the timeframe that we've seen in canon by such a large expanse, that suggests to me that it falls under the heading of, "until and unless directly contradicted on screen, you can assume the story happened largely as recorded in Legends."

While discussing Bane and Thrawn may be exciting, let's find a new home for that discussion, unless it's about how we may predict them in a product line.

On topic, I'd be curious to learn FFG's rubric on deciding any given species in any given splatbook. For example, how did two career books hit the Lannik species...in a short time...and yet have them be so different? Was there a FFG directive that Lannik need to be addressed, and both book teams secretly said "Sure?" In F+D, it seems a species may be included if an on-screen representative TALKED to a Jedi.

This week, it looks like we still have room at the table for 50+ more species, so there's still time for everyone to get what they most likely will want.

Well, Forged in Battle is finally out! On the 18th, as (recently) predicted. I'm gonna remove it from the first post.

I think I may be alone in this sentiment, but I'm actually not hoping the next career book announcement is the Bounty Hunter . While it feels long overdue and I would be glad of it, the information we glean from a new Age or Force career book is much more enlightening at this point.

Currently, the maximum variance that a career book has had from it place in the order of spec decks based on product codes is +/- 1, meaning if a career is (for instance) third in the order of specialization decks, the career book will be either second, third, or fourth in the order, but no further than that.

If the next book is the Engineer, this is given much stronger support, because the Engineer would have a variance of -1 and the Spy (by elimination) given a variance of 0, putting Edge at a total variance of 0 and Age at a total variance of 4 (using absolute values). It would also mean there's a strong preference towards the first and last careers of the spec deck order to have a variance of 0, meaning that the order of Force books is almost locked in (to my own chagrin ).

If the next book is the Spy, however, that throws this theory out the window by making Engineer last with a variance of -2, meaning that there's some play possible in the order of remaining Force books.

If the next book is a Force book (assuming it goes in the empty slot between Endless Vigil and Savage Spirits ), then it also gives very good information about the remaining order, no matter what it is.

So yeah - sorry Bounty Hunters out there, I'm hoping you have to wait a while longer ! It's for science, you see!

It's poetry in motion. Well then what's your new prediction on Endless Vigil.

If it is, that explains the record-setting gap: whatever it was that caused the delay in new book announcements for Age and Force in Q1-Q2 would likewise have delayed a new Edge announcement if they were waiting on new books from other lines first.

I bet it was the heavy-lifting needed for the TFA Beginner Game. That galaxy map didn't draw itself... ;P

No new prediction for EV. It's still October 13th. However, if we don't move on from the printer by the end of this week, I'll have to move that back. I was assuming 4 weeks at the printer, and we've already hit that, so...

I really hope the next AoR career book is Spy. Not that I don't like Engineer, but I think Spy is in desperate need of better specializations.

I really hope the next AoR career book is Spy. Not that I don't like Engineer, but I think Spy is in desperate need of better specializations.

I agree, the Spy needs some love. I'm hoping for three fresh specs and no reprints.

I agree completely, but the data against it being next is stacking up quickly .

I really hope the next AoR career book is Spy. Not that I don't like Engineer, but I think Spy is in desperate need of better specializations.

Yeah that was such an underwhelming set of specializations for a career that had some awesome potential.

To the Spy's credit, you may notice that no career that has it's full six specializations has more than 2 repeats:

The Ace has the Driver and Pilot;

The Explorer has the Driver and Scout;

The Hired Gun has the Heavy;

The Smuggler has the Pilot;

The Soldier has the Heavy;

and the Technician has the Mechanic and Slicer.

So, because the Engineer has the Mechanic, I feel confident that there will be no more than 1 repeated spec in the Engineer book, and since the Spy already has the Scout and the Slicer, there should be no repeats at all. Of the three career books with potential repeats, the Bounty Hunter is the only one vulnerable to a double-repeat, although I doubt it. There would be rioting in the street if that happened!

Sure, the riots would only be maybe a dozen people at most, but still! Riots!

Absol would the FAD careers have any repeats or is it unlikely?

Absol would the FAD careers have any repeats or is it unlikely?

I'm not Absol, but I think that would be hard, given that every (IIRC) F&D career includes some Force-related talents. I suspect that what they'll have is some very similar careers, with many of the same talents, and a couple of Force talents thrown in.

There is not a single spec that has been repeated within it's own line. No Edge career has a spec that is in another Edge career, and the same goes for Age and Force (at least with what we've seen so far).

So I can very confidently say that there will be no repeats in the F&D careers.

So i am thinking the sector book for edge that is likely soon will be the Arkanis sector. This covers both tatooine and geonosis. It is also the sector the death star was made in. Jedha is the moon the death star orbits. Which in the Tarkin Book is known as sentinel.

Races would likely be jawa, sand people, geonosians, maybe a 4th.

So i am thinking the sector book for edge that is likely soon will be the Arkanis sector. This covers both tatooine and geonosis. It is also the sector the death star was made in. Jedha is the moon the death star orbits. Which in the Tarkin Book is known as sentinel.

Races would likely be jawa, sand people, geonosians, maybe a 4th.

Probably reprint Neimoidian.

While some of the 'locale' books (such as Suns of Fortune and Lords of Nal Hutta) have covered specific areas, others (such as Strongholds of Resistance and Nexus of Power) have covered planets which are scattered all over but which share certain qualities. Rather than covering the Arkanis Sector, the book which includes Tatooine might instead cover a variety of the so-called "shadow ports" around the galaxy. Personally, that would actually be my preference; given that I've already done a lot of 'fill in the blanks' development of the Arkanis Sector on my own.

So i am thinking the sector book for edge that is likely soon will be the Arkanis sector. This covers both tatooine and geonosis. It is also the sector the death star was made in. Jedha is the moon the death star orbits. Which in the Tarkin Book is known as sentinel.

Races would likely be jawa, sand people, geonosians, maybe a 4th.

Probably reprint Neimoidian.

Cato Neimoidia is in the Quellor Sector so that don't make sense.

So i am thinking the sector book for edge that is likely soon will be the Arkanis sector. This covers both tatooine and geonosis. It is also the sector the death star was made in. Jedha is the moon the death star orbits. Which in the Tarkin Book is known as sentinel.

Races would likely be jawa, sand people, geonosians, maybe a 4th.

Probably reprint Neimoidian.

Cato Neimoidia is in the Quellor Sector so that don't make sense.

For some reason I had always thought a large population of Neimoidian lived on Geonosis, it would seem I was just making **** up in my head! Oh well.

We would get more on Rodian even if we don't need them included.

To the Spy's credit, you may notice that no career that has it's full six specializations has more than 2 repeats:

The Ace has the Driver and Pilot;

The Explorer has the Driver and Scout;

The Hired Gun has the Heavy;

The Smuggler has the Pilot;

The Soldier has the Heavy;

and the Technician has the Mechanic and Slicer.

So, because the Engineer has the Mechanic, I feel confident that there will be no more than 1 repeated spec in the Engineer book, and since the Spy already has the Scout and the Slicer, there should be no repeats at all. Of the three career books with potential repeats, the Bounty Hunter is the only one vulnerable to a double-repeat, although I doubt it. There would be rioting in the street if that happened!

Sure, the riots would only be maybe a dozen people at most, but still! Riots!

The problem with the Spy isn't repeats specs but that the specs given to it are kinda underwhelming and flat for the concept of Spy as a career. Slicer is really the only one that fits the Spy motif well.

To the Spy's credit, you may notice that no career that has it's full six specializations has more than 2 repeats:

The Ace has the Driver and Pilot;

The Explorer has the Driver and Scout;

The Hired Gun has the Heavy;

The Smuggler has the Pilot;

The Soldier has the Heavy;

and the Technician has the Mechanic and Slicer.

So, because the Engineer has the Mechanic, I feel confident that there will be no more than 1 repeated spec in the Engineer book, and since the Spy already has the Scout and the Slicer, there should be no repeats at all. Of the three career books with potential repeats, the Bounty Hunter is the only one vulnerable to a double-repeat, although I doubt it. There would be rioting in the street if that happened!

Sure, the riots would only be maybe a dozen people at most, but still! Riots!

The problem with the Spy isn't repeats specs but that the specs given to it are kinda underwhelming and flat for the concept of Spy as a career. Slicer is really the only one that fits the Spy motif well.

Yeah, I think the Spy needs a combative career, for the James Bond or Jason Bourne types - maybe just repeating the assassin career would work; and it needs a social monster career, for the charm-the-info-out-of-them type spy. That could also perhaps double as a a career for more realistic actual spies (the kind of people that recruit locals to do the actual espionage, knowingly or willingly or not). But you can't make James Bond, Morrigan Corde, or Jahan Cross with the current spy career.

Yeah, I think the Spy needs a combative career, for the James Bond or Jason Bourne types - maybe just repeating the assassin career would work; and it needs a social monster career, for the charm-the-info-out-of-them type spy. That could also perhaps double as a a career for more realistic actual spies (the kind of people that recruit locals to do the actual espionage, knowingly or willingly or not). But you can't make James Bond, Morrigan Corde, or Jahan Cross with the current spy career.

The Spy needs a combative spec? That's pretty much all the Infiltrator does is combat. Frenzied Attack, Natural Brawler, Dodge, (Improved) Stunning Blow - how does that not count as a combative spec? Also, while the Assassin would likely fit, as I said no Career has more than 2 repeats, which is the way it should be. I would be very, very surprised if they gave the Spy the Assassin as well.

I do agree that they need a social monster spec, and probably a master of disguise type, which could potentially be the same spec, although maybe they should be separate? I'm not sure. But yeah, the Spy does not lack for a combat spec at all.

Possibly a ranged combatant, but Spy's are not Assasins, that's a Soldier & Spy combined.

Social Engineer. Deception, Charm, talk your way in, go undercover.

Disguise & Gadgets (Q).(throw ranged light in here)

Interrogator. Discipline, Coercion, Warfare, Medicine.

Scout is the driver & wilderness Spy

Infiltrator covers hand to hand and getting into places.

Slicer is the data guy and can handle the underworld as well.