So obstacles have their effects when a ship performs a maneuver that causes it or its maneuver template to overlap that obstacle. (RRG, Obstacles)

And obstacles have their effects when a ship overlaps it during the resolution of a Tractor Beam effect (Tractor Beam rules card errata in the FAQ)

So with Collision Detector, we will now have the ability to boost and barrel roll onto and across obstacles. (and decloak, but that didn't really need to be mentioned since it, by rule, boosts or barrel rolls) Previously, only Dash Rendar could do this, and he ignored obstacles during the activation phase, so the potential effects did not matter.

The questions:

- If a ship boosts or barrel rolls onto or through an obstacle, does it suffer the effect of that obstacle? (RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

- If we determine that ships are affected by obstacles they boost/roll through, what happens to a PTL/EI/Vader pilot who spends their first action moving over an asteroid? Do they lose their ability to take further actions? Can you "nest" the extra action before the "you skip your action" takes place, or does it not matter because you already took your "normal" action.

- Same situation as above, with debris. When does the stress token come in? Does it prevent the various means of taking a second action?

(randomly discovered bonus while researching this: being Tractored across an obstacle -- but not actually landing on it -- will have no effect, according to the Tractor Beam errata)

(RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

With FFG though... who knows, they'll probably change their minds about 50 times before ultimately an FAQ comes out months later... iirc they completely got a rule wrong in the ARC article (using ptl to drop a bomb i think, which is not allowed).

No doubt - the RAW for obstacles is broken and needs to be FAQ'd errata'd

(RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

Sigh...

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

With FFG though... who knows, they'll probably change their minds about 50 times before ultimately an FAQ comes out months later... iirc they completely got a rule wrong in the ARC article (using ptl to drop a bomb i think, which is not allowed).

If it weren't for the K-Wing article and last week's ARC article, I'd be more likely to put weight on how their article writers thought the rules worked.

I'm pretty sure we'll get damage from boosting onto rocks, as well, thus all the follow-up questions about PTLing onto a rock, etc.

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No doubt - the RAW for obstacles is broken and needs to be FAQ'd

This. Even more so than with TBs, the rules for the obstacles are unclear at this stage, and will need an FAQ.

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

Those things may be clear but the rules for applying those effects stipulate particular timings that don't really apply to overlaps that occur on anything but a maneuver.

First, if we look at Tractor Beam rule, the ship suffer the effect of obstacle only if it land on it, not if the template touch the obstacle, so clearly in the example shown in the article, the ship will not suffer anything. Article have been wrong many time in the past with "intent", so I will go with rule precedent over supposed article "intent".

For the action, yes nothing prevent you from taking another action after even if you land on the obstacle. Asteroid make you loose your action phase of the activation when you execute your maneuver over or on them. We already know Barrel Roll or Boost are not maneuver. For debris this is something else. Debris give a Stress Token. But if you have way to take action when stressed, you will be able to do so.

(RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

Sigh...

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

With FFG though... who knows, they'll probably change their minds about 50 times before ultimately an FAQ comes out months later... iirc they completely got a rule wrong in the ARC article (using ptl to drop a bomb i think, which is not allowed).

Unless they edited the article, the bomb drop was initiated by Experimental Interface. Reveal green maneuver which triggers BB8 which triggers EI, allowing an upgrade card with the "Action" header to be used. Seems legit to me.

(RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

Sigh...

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

With FFG though... who knows, they'll probably change their minds about 50 times before ultimately an FAQ comes out months later... iirc they completely got a rule wrong in the ARC article (using ptl to drop a bomb i think, which is not allowed).

Unless they edited the article, the bomb drop was initiated by Experimental Interface. Reveal green maneuver which triggers BB8 which triggers EI, allowing an upgrade card with the "Action" header to be used. Seems legit to me.

They must've edited it then. When I read it, they had PTL as the bomb drop.

(RAW: no, this is neither a maneuver nor the application of the Tractor Beam exception.) (RAI: who knows but the TIE/sf preview article seems vaguely worried about a barrel-rolling TIE Phantom taking damage.)

Sigh...

To me the intention seems clear based on the spoiler article, that you suffer any effects from obstacles.

The article makes that clear, common sense makes that clear.

With FFG though... who knows, they'll probably change their minds about 50 times before ultimately an FAQ comes out months later... iirc they completely got a rule wrong in the ARC article (using ptl to drop a bomb i think, which is not allowed).

Unless they edited the article, the bomb drop was initiated by Experimental Interface. Reveal green maneuver which triggers BB8 which triggers EI, allowing an upgrade card with the "Action" header to be used. Seems legit to me.

They must've edited it then. When I read it, they had PTL as the bomb drop.

Yes the article was edited to replace PTL with EI. It was pointed out the day the article was released that PTL specifically states that dropping a bomb is not allowed, and was quickly edited.

Editted to say that I just looked at the card and the FAQ and can't actually see where it is stated that PTL can't be used to drop a bomb so now I am confused.

Yes the article was edited to replace PTL with EI. It was pointed out the day the article was released that PTL specifically states that dropping a bomb is not allowed, and was quickly edited.

Editted to say that I just looked at the card and the FAQ and can't actually see where it is stated that PTL can't be used to drop a bomb so now I am confused.

PTL says "you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar" - this is limited to actions that can show up as an icon in your action bar. Any card with Action: (including bombs) cannot be triggered with PTL.

Yes the article was edited to replace PTL with EI. It was pointed out the day the article was released that PTL specifically states that dropping a bomb is not allowed, and was quickly edited.

Editted to say that I just looked at the card and the FAQ and can't actually see where it is stated that PTL can't be used to drop a bomb so now I am confused.

PTL says "you may perform 1 free action shown in your action bar" - this is limited to actions that can show up as an icon in your action bar. Any card with Action: (including bombs) cannot be triggered with PTL.

Ok, that makes since, I forgot how the bomb card works since I never run them. Thanks for clearing it up for me.